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26 minutes ago, Peter Puck said:
This is the real problem with this offer sheet. It effectively establishes his salary at at least 6 million for the next 4 years.
Only if he is content to play on a series of one year deals, which most pro athletes are not willing to do when given the option of a longer term deal that is fair. Especially in contact sports where you are always on hit away from being done. Or one bad season from making league minimum. It's like how NFLers almost never agree to be franchise tagged multiple times. They make more money per year that way, but the lack of years of guaranteed money influences them to take multi-year deals that net less money.
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33 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
Pretty certain he cannot be a UFA until July 2025 (7 yrs pro and 25 yrs-old).
Sure he can if he isn't given a qualifying offer next year. That's how restricted free agency works.
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32 minutes ago, Peter Puck said:
If we match then next year Carolina will offer sheet Suzuki for 10 million. We would have to match that and let KK go. So Carolina ends up with KK and keeps their picks. We end up paying KK 6 million for 1 year hoping he breaks out (which I doubt he does in this season).
Suzuki will be extended long before it gets to that point.
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7 hours ago, habs#4,9,10,33 said:
Well there’s only one choice here, Take the 1s,3rd and a 6mil cap savings for KK ( not a bad deal for us I’m thinking). There’s a possibility KK matches his poor performance from last years season and Carolina will be screwed for a long time. Good on them for this!
Nobody is getting screwed if he has a bad season. He has a bad season, you don't tender him and you've lost a 1st and a 3rd. Not ideal, but hardly crippling. Is every team that gives up a 1st at the trade deadline screwed for a long time? He has a great season, he's getting a huge extension anyway. He has a mediocre season and he still probably gets a solid bridge deal rather than risking a series of 1 year deals.
6 minutes ago, Longstreet said:Not sure there is much to think about. KK is not worth $2m a year but good for him. He’s wise for signing.
Carolina is the fool. That type of thing is bound to generate issues in their locker room because he’s a 3rd liner at best.
Who says the 1st rounder is a lower pick? The Canes may not make the playoffs either. NHL is a crapshoot every year where very spots are gtd. The Metro is going to be a tough division, too. Maybe the leagues best with the Pa and NY teams, Wash, NJ, Cbus, and Carolina.
Habs need to take the picks and move on. Maybe even re-engage in the Eichel sweepstakes and package the picks with a few prospects.
The part about the Canes not being a lock for a late 1st is the one thing I agree with. They lost their best D, a really good young D, and replaced them with Tony D'Angelo. There is your source of locker room issues. They also took a huge step back in goal. Not extending Nedeljkovic in favor of signing Fredrick Andersson for more money is perhaps the most baffling move of the off-season.
But Montreal is screwed if they do not match. They don't have the center depth to absorb the loss of Kotkianiemi. NHL players know that offer sheet deals are player friendly; that's not going to cause any issues in the room.
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36 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I'll play devils advocate here. Why does Kotkaniemi agree to 8 x $5.5M when he can just take $6.1 per year as a qualifying offer for three years (more if he had a good season and went to arbitration) and walk to free agency? The idea of signing him for cheaper sounds nice in principle but in reality, it's a tough sell for the player knowing that qualifying offer is what it's going to be.
It does happen, but most pro athletes are not willing to bet on themselves by taking a series of 1 year deals when a long term contract is on the table, at least when it is not a lowball offer. Especially not in sports as physical as hockey. More often than not, players who do bet on themselves end up losing millions.
9 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:The icky was the iPhone autocorrect trying to interpret typos -
was meant to be “pointless”
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32 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
MB’s offer sheet was a icky move, not because he made one, but it was so pathetic, that there was no way it wasn’t going to be matched. He just helped speed up the resigning of Aho at. Pretty decent cap hit
Bergevin tried to take advantage of an owner who had just lost a quarter of his net worth a few months prior and ensured they wouldn't be able to buy into any UFA years. It was every bit as "icky" as this offer.
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22 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
They don't want Kotkaniemi, this is just pay back for the aho sheet. That's why it's only a 1 year offer and a $20.00 signing bonus is laughable. It's a F/U to Bergevin.
Now if Bergevin match's it then we get screwed with Suzuki too. We're going to have to pay Suzuki over 7mil.
It's only a 1 year offer because that is all they had to offer in order to put pressure on Montreal to match. With a one year deal, a signing bonus doesn't impact the deal in any significant way, so they were free to make it an amusing middle finger. It does not give any indication that it is not a serious offer. They want JK. They are not stupid enough to risk losing draft picks for a player they don't actually want.
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1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I think revenge is a big part of it. Paying 6.1M for KK really screws the Habs. I don't think anyone else out there was going to pay that much for him. They let Dougie Hamilton walk so they had the cap space to screw the Habs. I don't see it as a brilliant move by Carolina. So they screw the Habs by paying 6.1M for KK. If the Habs don't match and KK turns into nothing more than a mediocre player then it won't look very brilliant.
Of course revenge is part of it. I mean, announcing it in French and putting in a $20.00 signing bonus makes that plain as day. But they wouldn't risk making the offer if they weren't willing to risk overpaying for a year before signing him to a lesser bridge deal. There is zero chance they let Hamilton walk in order to do this. Frankly, that notion is preposterous.
1 hour ago, Peter Puck said:Do you think he is worth 6.1 million now and going forward? If so we could match and there is no problem. If he's not then Carolina is going to have to overpay to keep him or else let him walk.
This is a dick move by Carolina and every team is going to see that. This means there will be no reticence about offer sheeting any of their players, starting with Martin Necas one year from now. Their players will all know this. If you were Martin Necas would you sign next year for anything less than an over payment?
Of course not, but there is no doubt they will make a move to free up the space to match. If he doesn't have a breakout season, then they aren't on the hook long term and can trade him. If he does breakout, then they'd be giving him a big contract anyway.
It is no more of a dick move than Bergevin offering Aho a huge signing bonus trying to take advantage of the Hurricanes owner after he lost a quarter billion dollars trying to save a failing football league.
Most in hockey circles see EVERY offer sheet as a dick move. All the talk about being against some kind of GM-code. Yet nobody retaliated against Philly when they offered Kesler or Weber. Nobody went after Edmonton after they offered Vanek and signed Penner. Nobody went after San Jose for Hjarlmarsson or Calgary for O'Rielly. The only other time there was a vengeance offer was when St. Louis offered Bernier after they matched Vancouver's offer on Backes. Offer sheets end up just being business. There has never been open season on a team to get back at them for giving out an offer sheet.
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41 minutes ago, Peter Puck said:
I really think this is a mistake by Carolina. They will end up paying 6.1 million for KK and a 1st and a 3rd and then probably let him go for nothing a year from now. Plus they will have to worry about offer sheets on all their players for the next 5 years, and not just from the Habs.
It seems like a funny revenge move now but in the long run it makes trouble for them and they get almost nothing out of it.
They wouldn't have done this JUST for revenge. They're not just going to let him walk if Montreal doesn't match. And what does this have to do with having to worry about offer sheets for the next 5 years?
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11 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
no, just that discussing that topic got Commandant banned and we have not seen him since. I enjoy this forum and I will avoid the topic (that got him banned) as much as I can
He didn't get disciplined for talking about the Logan Mailloux situation; he was disciplined for completely losing it and attacking the person saying the disgusting things. That discussion didn't get shut down just because of the topic - it got shut down because it turned into a bunch of mudslinging.
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2 hours ago, dlbalr said:
I have to admit, I'm digging pretty deep into the list of free agents for my writeups in that series and Anisimov's name never came up for consideration nor was he in my top 75 when we were doing the voting last month for our rankings. (The Yardbarker article is a PHR repost.)
Anisimov looked more than a step behind the play last season in the games I saw him. Offensively, he's good enough to improve the floor on the fourth line in terms of offence but I question if the added production would be enough to offset his defensive weaknesses. I don't think he's worth signing unless it was a training camp PTO to see if there's anything left in the tank.
I thought I read a PHR article the other day and Anisimov was listed as one of the top available players.
Or maybe not (https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2021/08/poll-how-many-top-unsigned-free-agents-will-play-in-nhl-this-season.html). He was just mentioned as having the highest points per game in limited action. I must have imagined him being ranked higher than Bozak.
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58 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
If Bozak was as good as most suggest, how come he is still available?
again, I have not seen him play; I just want to understand why he is so well regarded
I don't think anyone holds Bozak in especially high regard. I don't think anyone is even saying he is that good. It's just that Staal was ineffective last year, while Bozak was still serviceable.
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3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
isn't Bozak very old and less effective than Staal was last year?
Bozak: 31Games 5g12a17pts 56.8FO%
Staal: 53Games 5g8a13pts 49FO%
why not Staal instead? He was better
Based on those numbers, how was Staal better? Bozak had better faceoffs numbers and more points in fewer games.
55 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:Really? the two years before
BOZAK:
2018-2019 72 games 13g25a38pts 54.3FO%
2019-2020 67 games 13g16a29pts 55.0FO%
E.STAAL:
2018-2019 81 games 22g30a52pts 51.1FO%
2019-2020 66 games 19g28a47pts 49.5FO%
I am missing something here? 
We're talking about a bottom 6 C, so I don't know how relevant it is to bring up those seasons. Staal was still a 2nd liner back then, getting 17-18 minutes a game and powerplay time. He couldn't even pull off that role in Buffalo and was not very effective for Montreal in a 4th line role on the whole. He had a huge dropoff in 2021 and as your stats indicated, was much less effective that Bozak.
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40 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
Glendale is like Etobicoke, though, it's really part of Phoenix and not far from downtown. The problem with Coyotes is not the small size of the (potential) market.
Yeah. Glendale is just a suburb of Phoenix, which is the 11th largest metropolitan area in the US. They just gave the Coyotes and Cardinals a better deal to build facilities than the city of Phoenix itself did.
It will be interesting to see if anything actually comes of this or if it is just another empty threat. They seem to have similar issues with the city every few years. Is the city really finally done with the team?
If this really is the end for Glendale, are there any real options to stay in the Phoenix area? From what I understand, the Suns' arena where they started out was even worse for hockey than where the Isles played in Brooklyn. I've always said that you should give a city long enough for kids to grow up with NHL hockey who can grow into season ticket holders. The Coyotes have been there long enough that if they haven't grown a fan base that can allow the team to thrive, it isn't going to happen. It's hard. To imagine Phoenix or any other suburb building them a new arena.
You can be sure the league will want to keep the team in the US. So Houston has to be the top option. 5th largest metro area and far enough away from Dallas that the Stars shouldn't be upset about another team in the state. They've tried twice already in Atlanta (9th), so they're out. San Francisco (12th) is too close to San Jose, plus they couldn't even agree with the 49ers on a stadium and they now play practically in San Jose themselves. The "Inland Empire" (13th) is practically just an extension of LA and they don't need another team. Baltimore (20th) is too close to D.C. That leaves only San Diego (17th) as the largest city without a team. Does California really need another team? Losing their NFL team is certainly not a great sign.
In Canada, it's hard not to give consideration to Quebec City. The Jets have done very well, as fast as I know, since coming back to Winnipeg and they even have one of the smaller arenas in the league, if not the smallest. If it's working for them in the cap era, you would have to think it could work in Quebec City again. The only way I see Hamilton ever getting a team is if the Pegulas move the Sabres across the border.
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2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
I think he got a raw deal when banned for a week.
If it was me, I would have left too.
Wasn't aware of any suspensions stemming from that thread, but not surprised. I have to imagine johnnyhasbeen was suspended as well. Commandant took things too far in response to johnny, but johnny's posts were some of the most vile things I've seen posted here in years. It was certainly disappointing seeing him back to his old ways.
1 hour ago, dlbalr said:With the way things went his last year with the Habs, I'm not sure they'd be all that interested in a reunion.
Yeah, and Columbus was worse off down than middle after the PLD trade than Montreal ever was and he still got put on the wing after just a handful of games. He is not an option at center in this league any more, especially with the Habs.
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4 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
My understanding is that he has left habsworld for good.
I certainly hope this is not the case, as he has been one of the very best posters in the history of this site IMHO
As much as I tend to disagree with him, I agree with the sentiment. But I feel like if he was gone for good, he wouldn't still be checking the forum daily.
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11 minutes ago, Sir_Boagalott said:
umm, what Centre is the most important C on any team? 1st line Centre is #1 important.
What line C is 2nd most important? Its the 3rd line checking centre. Case and point Danault, was he the 3rd most important C on the team? Umm, nope.
If Pheoling is the 3rd line C then your basically all saying Suzuki > Pholeing > KK > Evans. 🤣
No clue why my suggestion of Phoeling being the 3rd most important C, i.e. 2nd line C, is suck a big stretch? i.e. Suzuki > KK > Pholeing >Evans. Thats somehow a huge stretch?
Furthermore, the 3rd line checking goes up against the other teams #1 line. Therefore, everybody that thinks Phoeling should be 3rd line C believes he is better than and should have more ice time than kk?
Now think, theres 4 lines on a team., and Pholeing wont be 1st or 3rd line, so riddle me this: if Phoeling isnt 4th line, what line happens to be left for him to play on? Wow, its the 2nd line. Thats super difficult to comprehend right?
It's like what we talked about the other day, a lot of people don't think of lines in the traditional way any more where 3rd liner means shut-down line that gets as much even strength ice time as the 1st line. Especially for a team whose shutdown line was also their top scoring line for much of Danault's tenure here, that way of thinking about lines had kind of gone out the door. It's like how people would jump all over you if you called Danault a 3rd liner.
And for the love of all that is holy... It's not Pholeing. It's not Phoeling. It's not Pheoling. It's Poehling.
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13 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:
Hoffman isnt good at 5 on 5 so he cant really do 3rd line checking role so I'd swap him with Toffoli - who is decent defensively/checking. kk should be ahead of Evans, but it might make sense to swap them and put kk on the 3rd line checking line.
1 hour ago, hockeyrealist said:Interesting combos, I hope Drouin plays so well he has to get first line consideration but I am a little sceptical given his track record. Putting him and CC on first line puts a lot of pressure of their C to be solid two way, which will limit Suzuki’s chances to produce offensively and he is our only offensively gifted centre. Not sure why Toffolli wouldn’t get the spot on that left wing since they all produced well together.
Haha, this issue has come up before and in the past I've always ordered my lines with the traditional checking line being the 3rd line. I also tended to draw fire for listing the Danault line as the 3rd line when they were getting top 6 minutes. I have since come around and ordered my lines based on ice time as opposed to role. So if you read the explanation of my lines, you will see that is precisely why I placed Toffoli on that line. Hoffman and Drouin are not good fits for that role, so playing Toffoli or Anderson on their off-side is the best option and I give Toffoli the edge because I think he deserves more ice time than Anderson.
It also explains why I split up Toffoli from the top line. If he goes there, that means you have to slot Anderson onto the checking line and you've got two RW playing on their off-wing and have to play a LW at RW on the Evans line, and my gosh do we not want Evans playing with both Drouin and Hoffman. You could slot Armia onto that line, but Drouin and Hoffman are worthless on a 4th line.
2 hours ago, hockeyrealist said:I don’t think Evans can produce enough to be top 9, has shown he can be effective shut down centre but has shown little offense. With a group of C who do not excel offensively I don’t think the team can play a shut down centre on third line, I think Pacquette has more offensive potential in that role.
Is that based solely on his junior career where he had a 31 goal season one year and was over a point-per game for one season? Sure, better goal production than Evans, but in a much tighter scoring league, Evans was twice a point-per-game player at Notre Dame and nearly was a 3rd time. Their AHL numbers are similar, with the slight edge going to Evans. At the NHL level, in 7 years Pacquette has never topped 20 points. Evans had more points this year than 4 of Pacquette's NHL seasons. Pacquette is past the point of having offensive potential, while Evans is just starting to crack his. Give him more ice than Pacquette all day long.
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On 7/29/2021 at 12:44 PM, Fanpuck33 said:
Drouin-Suzuki-Caufield
Toffoli-Kotkianiemi-Gallagher
Hoffman-Evans-Anderson
Lehkonen-Pacquette-Armia
I started with the premise that Kotkianiemi will need to step up into Danault's role as centering the top two-way line. That pretty much automatically puts Gallagher in his wing since that's been his role for year. Drouin and Hoffman are not ideal fits for that line, so I think that means it is where Toffoli slots in.
I think you absolutely keep Suzuki and Caufield together. That leaves Drouin or Hoffman for their wing. If we're going on the assumption that Drouin will be in the best head space he's been in for years, then I say give him a shot at setting up the kids.
That means Hoffman slots in with Evans and Anderson and the 4th line speaks for itself. Let Poehling play big minutes in Laval unless he has a big camp and takes the job.
Bring back Perry back in the same role.I generally rip coaches for tinkering with lines too much, so I was a bit of a hypocrite during the playoffs when I was proposing new lines after every loss. With the importance of each playoff game, I am definitely more apt to want to tinker. But during the season, I hope Ducharme shows similar patience and gives whatever lines he uses some time to develop together.
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Wow, the USA pulls out the gold medal count in the last day. The men's track team finally got their first gold in the 4x400, then the women followed through in the same event. Then the real shocker - gold in the Women's Omnium, our first ever women's gold in track cycling. Finally, our indoor Women's Volleyball won their first gold after settling for silver and bronze on numerous occasions.
Now only six months till the Winter Games in Beijing!
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10 minutes ago, REV-G said:
I'm not sure if this has been brought up before in this thread, but do you think we would have any interest in Johnny Gaudreau?
There have been rumours for a while about Calgary moving him.
Would he fit with us?
He'd be a nice piece, but if they are going to move assets, I can't see it being done for a winger. The only way I see them bringing in a winger if it is a change-of-scenary deal involving Drouin, similar to the Domi/Anderson deal.
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1 hour ago, JoeLassister said:
Holy shit, that shootout CAN vs SWE was INSANE !!!!!!!!!!
Credit to Canada's defense for carrying them to gold. That's crazy to win three knockout round games in a row while only scoring from the dot.
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1 hour ago, dlbalr said:
How is the PBP guy for the Track and Field coverage on NBC (Leigh Diffey)? I'm used to him calling IndyCar and a bit of Nascar and I don't know how well that'd translate to the non-racing events.
He's solid. I believe he also does sliding sports at the Winter Olympics. He does does fine with those and track, but of course those are also racing events, albeit short ones. Field events... it's harder to judge because most of the field coverage here is just brief clips of jumps and throws in between track races. They also have an injured hammer thrower doing color, and she is pretty wodden and not great at exchanging with the other commentators.
Congrats to Damian Warner, winner of the ultimate Summer Olympic event, the decathlon. NBC shockingly provided pretty good coverage last night, after breezing through most of the first day. Of course, they also ruined it by reserving the final event of it and the heptathlon till 10pm tonight.
What goes around comes around Carolina pay back Kotkaniemi offer sheet
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I don't understand the comparison. I don't recall hearing any rumblings of Aho being disgruntled in Carolina. He just didn't have a contract and the Habs came along and gave him a great deal. With Kotkianiemi, reports are saying he wanted out after the Final benching and was telling people close to him he had played his last game as a Hab.
Bergevin had to be aware of this, so not getting a center this off-season is inexcusable.