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    Things to consider

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    I would like to see what Let's undress could do on the Koivu line.

    I bet if someone could get him going its Koivu. Btw, Im quite sure that none of the other prospects would get many points playing on a 4th line either. Give him a shot with Koivu, he is the big powerforward we allways wanted for Koivu so give it a try Carbonneau.

    I am sure Koivu could get him going, but I am not sure that is the best thing to do. Ryder and Higgins deserve to be there, and I think Koivu's line is better with Ryder then Lats. Keep in mind that Lats has gotten both PP time and time on the 2nd line. Its not like he plays 5 minutes on the 4th line here.

    I also don't think he has to rack up points to be successful, necessarily. I want to see him better defensively and create more havoc in the other teams zone, buzzing and crushing, and bottling up. If he could do that more, he would justify being on the team.

    Things to consider

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    By the way, Lats is -6, zero points, and is only 4th on the team in Hits. Begin has almost double the hits, and Komi and Ryder are also ahead of him.

    So, no offense. No defense. Not even being the huge impact player.

    If this was any other player, people would be talking trade or dump. I am definitely against that, by the way.

    If this is our best prospect, we are in trouble. I choose to believe that if he was eligible for the AHL, or was not from Quebec, he would not be on the team right now, but one of the other prospects would be.

    I sure hope he gets better (I agree he has shown some improvement the last couple of games), because we burned a year of his free agency.

    Things to consider

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    That's insulting toward Gainey and the coaching staff, as well as Latendresse. If Chipchura had earned a place would it be because they tried to make a "Western Hero"?

    Latendresse earned his place and the hockey staff try to put together the best team they can. Hockey is too much of a cut-throat business to start playing that kind of game.

    Carbo warned everyone that patience would be necessary with Latendresse. They expected people would whine that the kid shouldn't be in the NHL. But saying he's only there because he's from Quebec, that's very low.

    You must be kidding. Damn near every hockey guy I have heard has brought this up. You don't think that Gainey and Carbo would not keep him up to appease the crowds? Hockey is entertainment. Its not like Lats really sucks, and no one can blame them if he fails. But if they didn't keep him up it would be a distraction.

    I know you are a big lats fan, but lets not be naive about it. In Pitts, they seriously considered sending Staal back, who is playing ten times better then Lats.

    You can believe what you want, but there is no way this guy is up because he has earned it. At best, he didn't suck enough to be sent back, leaving Gainey with no choice but to give him his shot. He better start using this gift, or next year, he will be in the AHL.

    Things to consider

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    Yup...

    Carbo and Gainey kept Latendresse because they believed he was a piece they needed to achieve their strategic goal... and I think that goal is set somewhere in April & May, not in the first 10 games of the season.

    As for the other prospects, they all had a chance to win a spot during the preseason and Latendresse outplayed them all. Latendresse earned his spot then, even after getting a concussion and a shoulder injury before the camp opened.

    Pretty simple: Latendresse leaped over all the other prospects in the training camp; and now he's the one getting a chance to play regularly and he's progressing even if its not obvious to most.

    I hope you are right, but I didn't think Lats outplayed the other prospects. Carbo even admitted the decision was pretty much made before camp.

    Now the previous camp, he was definitely hot, no question.

    Still, I find it hard to believe that he is here because of his play, or his junior status. I fully believe he is up because they need a new "Quebec Hero" and they are working their butts off trying to make him one. I just hope it doesn't go to his head (ie. Riberio) or it damages his real development.

    I can't imagine what Higgins thinks when he listens to them chant Gui, Gui, Gui!

    Things to consider

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    I agree with your comments about Niinimaa and somehwat with Pleks but you lost me on Lats. And any comments about Ribs should be banned...he is playing on the 4th line in Dallas but is helping them on the powerplay only...something the habs are doing just fine with.

    Yes, Niinimaa would take all the minor penalties no matter which side he is playing and I agree that he is a depth guy. I can't see him dressing if both Bouillion and Dandenault were healthy. I am not too upset about Niinimaa's overall play as he is better than anyone other defenders on the farm at the moment...he just needs to move his feet more and quit holding/hooking.

    Plekanec has been a center his entire career and just does not have the raw skill to be a top 2-line centre. He is a good 2-way 3rd liner that is good at killing penalties...but he is not the playmaking centre the Habs need and never will be. He kinda reminds me of Bulis but a little fiestier.

    Comparing Lats to a player developing in the AHL is completely irrelevant. Is he NHL ready...not really but he cannot be sent to the AHL where he could play 18-20 mins a game. Juniors would only slow his development so the Habs have to to develop him in the NHL...regardless of his NHL salary. Personally I feel Lapierre has earned a ticket to the NHL and would compliment the 3rd/4th better. That being said, if Lats plays as well as he has the last couple games then I don't mind him as a crash and banger in the NHL.

    Yes, Lats is somewhat different because he cannot go to the AHL. Still, he is getting a ton of ice time with very little to show for it, ahead of other players in the system. I personally believe this is because he is from Quebec and they just shipped ribs and Theo away. Have to appease the home town fans.

    As for his hitting, we can get that from downey and murray. We need Lats to do more that just hit people. We need him to show he belongs in the NHL.

    I can't think of any other team that has a guy that young playing up who is not ripping it up. Staal for example earned his right to stay in the NHL. Bergeron did when we was with the Bruins too. Lats? I don't see it. I sure hope he comes around before his development (and confidence) is shattered by this.

    I would rather he be up in a year or two when he is truely ready to play at this level.

    Things to consider

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    We didnt get rid of him becaus he didnt get enough points. Points isnt everything brobin. Ribs thought he was Mario Lemieux and liked to trashtalk his team mates and THAT is why he is gone.

    Niinima = Robidas all over again Kozed? :) I remember you talking about Robidas the same way before we lost him.

    I never said keep Ribs. If that was the reason they dumped him (and I think that is mostly made up fan crap), it still is not relevant to the my statement.

    The fact is, Ribs was ripped for a lot of silly things last year. This year, the same things are being used as excuses for other players.

    This is not really about ribs or pleks. It is about fans constantly being horrendously biased based on whether they like a guy or not. People like Pleks ( I like Pleks), but that doesn't mean we need to wear rose coloured glasses regarding him (and lats). People hated Ribs, hence he could do no right.

    Fortunately, good GMs do not react that way. They base their evaluations on what happens on the ice, and in the room.

    Streit and Sammy

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    Yeah, lats would do much better with short, high energy shifts. I am tired of seeing him dogging it at the end of shift, too tired to do much.

    If he doesn't cut down on the shifts, he should be benched until he gets the message.

    Things to consider

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    Sounds like excuses for the reason your favorite players are not performing as well as you want.

    Yes, center is harder, that is why Pleks doesn't belong on the second line at all. He is having more success now because he is playing within his limits. You might also want to apply your logic to Ribs last year. That poor guy had to play center too, no wonder he only averaged 57 points a season... LOL

    Yes, Niinimaa is playing on the wrong side and that could impact his ability to properly play his defensive position. It doesn't explain his inability to make a clearing play, or keep the puck the offensive zone. He is as best, a marginal defenseman. Oh, and he didn't play any better last year on his natural side.

    Lats.. well, if you want to make that argument, there are a bunch of guys in the AHL how might think they deserve that long, slow development approach while making an NHL salary. Personally, I am not convinced Lats is going to turn into John Leclair anytime soon. I do think he will get better over time, but so far, he looks pretty rough. If you look around the league, there are plenty of better players that have been sent down for more development.

    In any case, time will tell and I hope you are right on all three!

    New Strategy for Carbo

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    Here is why it won't work..

    First, at the moment the season is young and statistically, it won't stat this way.

    Second, if they play the game 5 -4 the whole time, they will get way too tired. They are good on the PK because they give it there all for those short two minutes. They can't sustain that for 20 minutes.

    I know you were kidding by the way. :)

    Game Thread | Habs vs. Hurricanes | 11/02/06

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    Sure. I didn;t see the game so I can't comment on his lack of ice time. 6.5 of his 10 minutes were on the PP, 3.5 minutes at even strength.

    Habs played 42 minutes at even strength or on the PP. It seems to me that that's enough time to play your #1 right winger more than 10 minutes.

    Could be that Carbo isn't happy with him.

    It was the other way around... he played almost 7 minutes even strength.. about the same as koivu...

    Because Koivu kills penalties, his line got a lot less even strength tonight, so Ryder suffered for it.

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