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    Way To Go Ribs!

    in Habs & Hockey Talk

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    We all know Ribeiro has is own set of skills and limitations....just like any players do,....but lets face it,..

    natural talent will always illicit irrationnal critisms from the stiffs of this world and I for myself

    will always prefer a Mozart over the skewed and flat critisms he might have generated

    from Salieri in his days, ( Amadeus ).

    Lets enjoy him while he is with us.

    Well said. Ribs has natural talent, and that is hard to come by. I have found his line generating consistent offense in the last 10 games, they just don't all go in. However, the last 30 games Ribs game has improved and I credit Gainey. People like to talk about gainey type players, but it is obvious that Gainey is putting effort into improving Ribs overall game (he has been a plus player over that stretch) and seems more interested in him then Bulis.

    Perhaps Gainey likes guys with talent who have a capacity to learn and improve. I certainly don't discount the possibillity that he can make Ribs worth hanging on to....

    Way To Go Ribs!

    in Habs & Hockey Talk

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    Well, Koivu had a major slump this year, by far the worst of his career. Until that slump, he was producing at about a point per game ratio (-/+ a point or 2), and was actually more productive that many start centers including Sundin, Richards, Modano, Sakic, and Lecavalier. Since he came out of slump, he's been producing at more than a point per game ratio, and is making Higgins look very good, and revived Ryder. Considering that it was an exceptional slump, as Koivu may never have had the wingers to be overly productive, but he was always playing very well and with great consistency, I'm willing to forgive him.

    Ribeiro however has never, ever, proven to me that he can be reliable, and he has never shown a single once of consistency. He's constantly going through ups and ups, and pretty much always for the same reasons. Although he will give you the occasional great game, like he did last night, you just cannot count on him when it matters the most. This to me would be unacceptable for one of my top 6 forwards; you have to be able to count on your top players. In a crucial moment, I know I can send Koivu out there, not Ribeiro. I'd rather send a forth-line marginal player like Begin or Murray, or even a rookie like Plekanec or Higgins before I send Ribeiro.

    Yes Ribeiro has a decent point production (although he's often been getting more ice-time than Koivu since he was paired with Kovalev, especially on the powerplay), but 3/4 of that is made up of garbage points that mean very little. Ribeiro's points are like saturated fat and empty calories: they look good now, but they'll hurt you eventually.

    Koivu gets far more PP time. He also gets the majority of 5-3 time.

    Koivu goes up and down all the time, like most players. He is has also been very consistent in his point production over his career, and it is marginal for a number 1 center. Ribs has is not better then koivu. What I am saying is he is decent when compared to his peers... other 2nd line centers who make 25% of Koivu's money.

    when has Ribs disappeared when it mattered? His first playoff experience? What about Ryder, he disappeared then too and frankly they were snake bit in that boston series. Earlier in the season when Koivu and Kovalev were out? Okay, well he was keyed in on by the opposition because we only had one line (I hear that excuse every time Koivu's line is not producing, but no one ever gives Ribs the benifit of the doubt).

    i find the Ribs hate a bunch of BS. Is he a number one center? No, and we are not paying him for that.

    By the way, Kovalev's production picked up after he was moved to play with Ribs. But apparently, you only give Koivu credit for Higgins. Perhaps Koivu's assists have more to do with playing with two hot wingers (Ryder and Higgins).

    Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about Koivu, I like Koivu! But it seems some of the Koivu lovers feel they have to be Ribs haters. I like them both, even though they play different styles. I do expect way more from Koivu then Ribs, because Koivu is our number one center and is being paid the most. He is not having a great year.

    Way To Go Ribs!

    in Habs & Hockey Talk

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    By the way, Ribs is 45th in production among centers in the nhl. In other words, right there in the middle of the number two centers. More concerning is that our number 1 center is only number 33. He needs to get on the first page!

    Way To Go Ribs!

    in Habs & Hockey Talk

    Posted

    I see your point. So to clear it up from my perspective I will again say, Ribs sucks. His attitude has improved but he is still Ribs. 4 points last night? Wow!!!! How fast can he be traded?

    I think Ribs has is fine. His supposed attitude is just that, supposed.

    If you look at his numbers, he is a perfectly good 2nd line center in terms of production. Yes, he has had some weak periods, so has Koviu, so has every hockey player.

    He gets a lot of heat for "dissapearing in the playoffs". Actually, he and Ryder worked their butts off in that first series and nothing went in. If you recall, Ryder was just as cool. It was also the first real playoff experience for either of them. Before I judge his playoff performance, I want to see how he does this year. Does he progress and improve? Time will tell.

    I have a feeling the regardless of his performance, some people will always hate him, always want him traded. That is a shame. I myself think he has a ton of talent and with the kind of coaching he is getting now might turn out to be a really solid number 2 center. Until I see a better number two center being given to Montreal, I see no reason to dump Ribs.

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