Wamsley01
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Instead of Perez, instead of Kovalev!!!
He displayed it all tonight... As good if not better than Perez in the hitting/defensive game while being able to display mad offensive skills and more grit / intensity than Kovalev...
That was pretty exciting, we have been waiting a long time for that. It was a sweet pass and it resulted in a goal. I can understand why everybody is gushing right now
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Jaw dropping pass, that was one of those nooooooooooooo.....YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS passes.
I didn't even see that and I was watching the camera from behind and he pulls it out of nowhere.
EYES IN THE BACK OF HIS HEAD
Use the Kids for the rest of the year please Carbo. Let's see if they are ready for primetime!
They sure as hell looked it tonight
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so was it a goal or not a goal???
GOOOOOOOAL
3-3
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This team sucks the life out of me
REVERSE JINX
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We do have some pressure on them so I'll believe.
Go Habs Go
This team sucks the life out of me
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There is no excuse for tonight.
Whatever players hurts, let the leaders get in front.
Saku Koivu should show the way, Latendresse is kind of in a groove.
And our forecheckers are better lately.
And were home and at home we can't lose a game until the end of the season.
Go habs.
I keep waiting for them to rip off a prolonged win streak. and waiting...and waiting...maybe tonight
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Habs beat the Canes 6-1 Game 1 of the playoffs last year.
right time to do it
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Last 2 goal win was 5-3 vs.Wash on Feb 20
Last 3 goal win was 4-1 vs. Tor on Jan 27
Only 4 goal win was 4-0 vs. Car Nov 2
Since January 4, the Habs are 1-10 in games decided by 3+.
Bad Karma.
I don't remember the last time I stopped watching a game because I knew it was in hand. Maybe the win against Pittsburgh in December at home. Did the Habs beat the Leafs 4-1 this year?
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You're saying that right now you're willing to switch spots with an Islanders fan?
No, I am a habs fan, always will be.
The point was that because this year fell apart does not mean that next year will be lost as well.
The post was about how the Glass is Half Full and not Half Empty. And the Habs future is bright.
Is the point that things can change very quickly not clear? that the Islanders were the butt of all the league jokes 6 months ago and added Ryan Smyth and are now comfortably ahead of Les Glorieux?
Do I need to simplify my point?
Right now Islanders fans are not on here complaining about the coach, the media, the star player, the GM etc etc. Who does that sound like right now? US
Right now Islanders fans are happy, and we are not. But next season with the Glass HALF FULL maybe, just maybe we will be the ones smiling.
It was not meant to be taken literally
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The habs have played the same way for 4 coaches now. It's the players.
So to pick out Carbo as fault or comparing him to other coaches is bad, look at the Habs ex coaches, all in the playoffs with different teams. It's the lazy players, beleive me.
I don't buy it. So why did the Habs play better under Gainey than Julien?
And I don't buy the Huet argument either. Huet was 2-3-1 under Julien and gave up 18 goals in 6 games.
As far as the other succesful ex coaches, when you look at their respective situations you cannot compare them to what Carbo is doing anymore than you can say I cannot compare what Maurice and Nolan are doing. They had different players and situations.
Also these players that are at fault are the players that have made the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years.
I never claimed that the previous coaches were bad coaches. But players quit on coaches. Players sometimes never mesh with a coach. Carbo has not proved anything and these players have proved they CAN make the playoffs
Alain Vigneault
Alain Vigneault should not even be in the conversation because the guy did a phenomenal job when he was here. The 2000 team almost made the playoffs with Rucinsky/Zubrus/Zholtok/Linden/Savage/Brunet.
So the fact that he is succesful with a Vancouver team that is one lockout year removed from being a Stanely Cup contender and has Roberto Luongo in net is not exactly a shock.
The only players that played for Vigneault and Carbo are:
Koivu, Rivet, Souray and Markov
Michel Therrien
Michel Therrien is succesful coaching Sydney Crosby/Evgeni Malkin/Jordan Staal/Mark Recchi/Sergei Gonchar etc etc. Sorry if I have a hard time believing it is because of Therrien.
The only players that played for Therrien and Carbo are:
Koivu, Souray, Rivet, Komisarek and Markov
Claude Julien
Claude Julien is now coaching a team that has a Hall of Fame goaltender and won the Stanley Cup 4 years ago with alot of the core still around (Elias, Brodeur,Gomez, Langenbrunner, Madden, Rafalski, Gionta, White) as well as good youngsters in Zach Parise and Paul Martin.
So to attribute their success to Julien is not exactly accurate, esoecially if you are blaming the players in the case of the Canadiens. I can easily attribute his success to his players like you attribute Carbo's failure's to his players.
Seeing as there are only 4 players who played for all 3 are you blaming Koivu, Rivet, Markov and Souray?
Carbonneau has not shown an ability to get his players to overachieve. You can blame the players if you like. I tend to blame the coach.
Your opinion may be that it is the players fault, I do not share that opinion. You telling me to trust you it is the players is not going to make me a believer. And seeing as all 4 coaches have coached different rosters you cannot really prove otherwise.
The jury is out on Carbonneau, and even though the other coaches were fired...Therrien and Julien coached the crappy habs players to the playoffs, can Carbo claim that?...not yet
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It was a circus but again that is all irelevant stuff as far as Nolan goes. Look how many people he sits if they don't play hard. He will sit anyone at anytime. Nolan controls how they play on the ice and could care less about the other BS.
I am not arguing that Nolan is not a better coach than Carbo. Gainey obviously sees something in Carbo, but it is frustrating watching the Blues play under Andy Murray, the Leafs under Paul Maurice, the Isles under Ted Nolan and put forth an effort that I have rarely seen from the Habs this season. Everybody says look at the other coaches throughout the league that left Montreal and had success elsewhere...it is the players fault. Well if Paul Maurice can get a shit team that was injury plagued to play better than Guy can with a better roster....then I am flabbergasted
He might be a good coach in the future, but he ain't right now.
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Not often that the two of us see eye to eye on something - but I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - this team is not a serious contender at this point. I'll take a high draft pick any day over a very slight chance of advancing to the next round!!!!!!
Yeah people are going to say anything can happen, but the fact is that it doesn't far more often than it does....
I kind of have the same attitude, I am cheering for a miracle but am expecting them to keep puttering along like they have been for 2 months. My only fear is a 7-5 finish and 9th place by a point or 2. That would hurt!
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I doubt that as far as Islander fans go, they have a much better roster then last year. They have a great coach who motivates his teams to play way over there heads. If you don't play hard you don't play for Nolan.
The Habs have the same core which has never done anything and a rookie coach. I think Islander fans would have taken there chances.
Maybe Islanders fans would have taken their chances, but after they fired Neil Smith, hired their backup goaltender to be GM and signed an unproven goalie to a 15 year contract, would any habs fan have switched places with them 6 months ago? I sure as hell would not have!
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Bahaha Huet carries this team almost single handedly and when he hits the skids no one steps and we drop from 4th to 11th. Yeah the team is doing great, a real bright future for us!
My point exactly. To each his own.
Who knows what next year will hold.
Last year Atlanta, NYI, Pittsburgh all missed the playoffs
and Philly, Habs and Hurricanes were in. The FLYERS were a 5 SEED!!!
The Canes won the Cup, now if the playoffs started today they would be gone.
Welcome to the new NHL. When parity rules anything can happen.
I am willing to bet you that 5 months ago you would not have switched spots with an Islanders fan.
The foundation for a contender are there. It is just not fully hardened yet. We will see.
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Great post Bobby. People keep saying we're seeing the same thing we've seen for the last decade and a half, but there is FAR more talent in the system than there was then. The future isn't now, but it's bright.
Barring big trades (which are a distinct possibility) I see a core group of NHL ready players with their best seasons ahead of them: Higgins, Pleks, Ryder, Latendresse, Lapierre, Kostitsyn, Markov, Komisarek and hopefully Gorges. The system should continue to provide 2 or 3 rookies a year for at least next five years, assuming they can get two players out of their 5 in 75 next year.
That is the ideal model to build a franchise under the salary cap. What we need is the right veteran presence to solidify it. Souray provided that presence this year, as does Koivu. Bonk and Johnson certainly don't detract from the team. Begin when he's playing is a huge asset, and for my money Streit is a dream versatile player. If only he were more physical. Perezhogin's on the bubble IMO, but he's versatile and lots and lots of guys like him haven't bloomed until their mid twenties, so I'd stick with him unless somebody offers a high price.
The one statement Bob and Guy have made this year is that they have faith in the young guys. Guy has made mistakes aplenty, not surprising for a rookie coach, and we all agree Samsonov was a disastrous signing and Niniimaa's been a bust. But the youth movement has been afoot for three years, and despite the huge setbacks since Christmas, we need to stick with it. And get BIG center with offensive talent somehow. I don't mind getting someone who's too young to make an impact right away, but it's the one thing I don't see coming in the system.
Anyway, between the prospects, the draft picks and the money under the cap, I see Bob as being well placed to make this team a contender within the next two-three years. I was hoping for sooner, but there have been some major setbacks this year.
But that is why the title is appropriate.
HALF FULL
The argument can be made that the glass is half full because we are over .500.
HALF EMPTY
The record is actually 34-36. But the Habs have received 6 point in Losses. And you can be negative that they at 1 point had a 21-8-5 record and have won 13 of 36 since.
HALF FULL
Cristobal Huet shut up all the critics and made the All-Star team
HALF EMPTY
Cristobal Huet went 5-12 in his last 17 starts before his injury
HALF FULL
Christopher Higgins showed he can be a premier forward in the league with his performance before his injury and has only failed to produce because he has not fully recovered
HALF EMPTY
Christopher Higgins has only put up 15 pts in his last 36 games and was playing over his head to begin the season.
HALF FULL
The Habs have one of the best farm systems in the NHL, they have Perezhogin/Lats/Higgins/Kosty/Komisarek/Plekanec/Halak/Price/Chipchura
HALF EMPTY
THe Habs lack a superstar prospect outside of Carey Price. Perezhogin/Higgins/Lats/Kosty have struggled to produce at the NHL level and are nice complimentary pieces but are nothing more.
Personally, I agree with Bobby and I think that the Habs future is bright. As much as some believe that Montreal overperformed in the first half, they are nowhere near as bad as they have been in the second half. I have faith in Bob and believe we are closer to a turnaround than most believe. Some really nice work in the offseason can set this team back in the right direction. But with such an inconsistent season it is easy to take either a positive or negative outlook. I don't mind criticizing moves I do not like, but if Huet does not go down the Habs probably steal the 8th spot comfortably.
It is all about your outlook, that is why it is a great title.
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There is always a lot of talk about getting rid of veteran players for prospects/picks. I think Gainey knows what he's doing in keeping the balance reasonable, as mentioned by BTH. The forum seems to routinely overrate the impact that prospects can make - even in the long term. Back in Houle's day, I'm sure many Habs fans had high hopes for the prospects that were in the system... and we know how many of them worked out. Fact is, we can't be guaranteed that our present farm is going to turn out much better.
In that sense, I disagree with Todd. We're already in the midst of a rebuilding campaign, and yes, this year was a big setback, but it wasn't meant to be the culmination of the campaign anyway. Incremental change and keeping some proven performers on the club is necessary while waiting to see if the fruits of our recent draft succeed is the way to go.
Most of the people who wanted to deal Souray do realize that it is a rebuilding campaign, which is why they are upset that Souray was not dealt. If you know this year means nothing why keep him? You can't have your cake and eat it to. It is a very passive move and the fans are getting frustrated.
The difference between now and Houle's day is that this has been a rebuild for 6-7 years with 2 very good talent evaluators in charge and we have watched various reports that say the Habs have a top 5 farm system. Hoping Houle's picks would develop is much different than hoping Andre Savard and Trevor Timmins picks will. Will they? We better hope they develop or we will be telling our kids what it was like to win a Stanley Cup, not enjoying it with them.
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Never went into whether it's true or not. Just that it's suspicious. Samsonov has been working hard. Kostitsyn has been making things happen. And on a team littered with minus figures, the guy with the team-lead in +/- is a healthy scratch game in, game out. No matter what nationality they are, I think they should be playing. The "problem" is that no one else on the roster is deserving of a benching either.
Everything I read says that Perezhogin has a concussion. They listed him as a scratch on RDS last night from a concussion suffered in practice.
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Happy with the win, but can they win a game by more than one goal please
Need to get hot as 6 of the next 9 at home!!
And is it just me or did Abby even see the tying goal? I pray he gets hot, but I have no confidence in him at all
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Et c'est parti!
Leighton backing up Aebischer.
Probably a good chance we will see Leighton then!!
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Awesome days. Game 5 in Montreal opened on CBC with the theme "Lions of Winter" and they played The Lion Sleeps Tonight by the Tokens. Special time for me. That cup brought tears to my eyes. I had experienced other victories in '86 and '79 etc, but those didn't have the same affect as '93 did.
Remember what St. Patrick says, you get in the playoffs and anything could happen. What would happen if we upset Atlanta, Brodeur pulls his groin, Buffalo's defence falls apart again and Anaheim loses Selanne to a broken ankle...Prongers out and they have made the final...etc?
Too bad we won't be able to heed St. Patricks words this year.
It is true, but unlikely
But you need look no further than Carolina last year.
Round 1 Koivu goes down, Round 2 they get that miracle game tying goal after Jersey score with 30 seconds left in Games 2, Round 3 Buffalo loses in 7 with 2 NHL defencemen and in the Finals Roloson blows out his knee in Game One of the Finals.
You want to talk about fortunate run
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Hey, What about Boston? They lost a "can't lose" game againts the worst team in the NHL this afternoon.
We have still 13 games to play, and we are only 3 pts behind. The Habs are a streaky team. It's time for a winning streak that will continue till the Cup!
Unfortunately this streaky team has resulted in losing streaks.
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That is about as far as I have to read to know there is no reason to read any further. Have you personally spoken to "all the scouts in the NHL"? Have you spoken to even one scout in the NHL? Would you know an NHL scout if he was standing next to you at the XXX video store?
Call me what you want, your simplistic thinking on this board saves me the need for name calling.
But using your analysis, any Canadiens fan in Toronto who is 6'3" tall, 210 lbs and is born in 1973 and has green eyes must be dumb. You do not have to meet them or converse with them to come to your own conclusion because the stats tell you so.
I must say, really solid rebuttal though
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Signing Arnott to 6 MIllion a year???????
You think we are in rough shape now? I would take Samsonov and Ninimaa at 6 MIll this year and Sammy at 3 next year because they will be gone after next season!
Arnott would have been a 4 year contract which means we would have 30% of the cap wrapped up in Koivu/Kovy and Arnott for three years including this one. I don't see Arnott making much of a difference.
Sammy and Ninimaa ARE GONE after next year! Who needs 3 overrated Stars on one team. If you toss in the theory that Tavares is the ultimate goal...then I can understand.
Good Plan
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So all the scouts in the NHL class the draft as weak, and you are telling me it might not be weak because you have pulled stats from minor leaguers and attributed their stats to NHL stars now with the same weight/height characteristics and say it may not be weak.
Call me dumb, but I think I will take 30 teams worth of scouting staffs, and 30 GMs who were trading their first rounders like they were worth 50 cents on the dollar over your comparison of Kyle Turris to Danny Heatley and Billy Sweatt to Jonathon Toews.
2006
Erik Johnson
Jordan Staal
Jonathon Toews
Nik Backstrom
Phil Kessel
2005
Sydney Crosby
Bobby Ryan
Jack Johnson
Benoit Pouliet
Carey Price
2004
Alexander Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin
Cam Barker
Andrew Ladd
Blake Wheeler
2003
MA Fleury
Eric Staal
Nathan Horton
Nikolai Zherdev
Nathan Horton
Can you imagine the gall of the Scouts to believe that this draft may be a weaker draft then the last 4! What are they thinking? They cannot possibly gather as much info as your comparative analysis. What drivel, to believe that this draft is a crapshoot with no consensus number 1.
Any draft can uncover a gem. But it is not a stretch or a sweeping generalization to believe that this is a weaker draft.
Game Thread | New York vs. Montreal | 03/13/07
in Habs & Hockey Talk
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But did they score? Just like Grabovski, that move vs the Rangers was awesome, but if he scored we would have went crazy! It is nice to see it go in at an integral part of the game.