Wamsley01
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If a deal comes along that makes sense then you make the move. Souray is not untouchable.
If San Jose offered Steve Bernier and a 1st rounder for Souray and you were the GM you would not listen?
You do what you have to do to make this team better, not for 20 games, but for the future.
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no more Aebischer pleeeeease. God he is terrible.
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Wow. It's a wonder anyone would be a goalie in Montreal the way people treat them. Too long a shift leads to the first, nice shot by McCabe is the 2nd. If your name isn't Roy, don't put on the jersey is the message I got from most of the dolts here.
The shot was not a bullet, it was a knuckleball and Abby blew it. It was unimpeded from 60 ft out.
If you are a professional goalie you have to stop that. Simple as that. When you can see it from 60 ft it should not go in.
What is the surprise, Abby gives up 1 bad goal per game.
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Habs won the '93 Cup purely on luck and a hot Patrick Roy. Everything broke right for them that year in the playoffs. They weren't one of the better teams going in, but all of the favorites got upset in the first couple of rounds. They won 7 games in OT without a loss I think. How often will that happen? The following year they didn't even make the playoffs, and after losing their first 5 games of the season after that, Savard got the boot. Houle took over a team that was in shambles on the ice and a huge money loser off the ice. He and Mario Trembley turned the team around on and off the ice to a remarkable degree until a freakish string of injuries over three consecutvie seasons, combined with the fiscal limits Molsons made them work under finally did them in. Andre Savard took over a team with a lot of young players, extra draft picks, and twice the budget to work with, and made some brutal player signings of aging Francophone journeymen and a few of his old buddies from Ottawa. The teams he managed didn't have 1/10 the injuries to deal with that Houle and Trembley had to, either.
10 OT Games, they made the Playoff in 04 and lost to the Bruins in 7 when Roy had an apendicitis for 2 games. They missed the playoffs in 95 in a strike shortened season, they probably would have made it otherwise. Houle did not take over a shambles of a team, he took over a team that still had most of the core of the 93 champs. Are you related to Rejean Houle? He made shortsighted decisions that cost us the greatest goaltender of all time and our captain for an average NHL goalie and two journeyman players. We just got more back for Rivet probably than he got back for ROY!
Glorifying the Houle years??? The board has reached an all time low
I guess turning this:
Pierre Turgeon
Vincent Damphousse
Mark Recchi
Saku Koivu
Patrick Roy
Patrice Brisebois
Brian Savage
Benoit Brunet
Darcy Tucker
Craig Conroy
Craig Rivet
Valeri Bure
Vladimir Malakhov
into this:
Koivu
Petrov
Zednik
Rucinsky
Linden
Kilger
Zubrus
Markov
Bulis
Poulin
Souray
Zholtok
Lind
Is something that we should really appreciate and not ridicule! Nonsense
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Feb 26: Which Canadien was named to the 2003-04 NHL All-Rookie team?
Ryder
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temporary excitement there for a minute
Not for getting rid of Kovy, but for something BIG going down!
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If this is true Gainey is blowing this up.
We all know that Kovy will sulk for weeks and torpedo the playoffs if he passes through.
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I'm not a season ticket holder, so I can't address that. But I don't agree with those who hold up the 'dark horse' theory - namely, that once you're in the playoffs anyone can go all the way, so we should keep Souray for the playoff drive and Cup run, even if we lose him for no return next season.
The goal is to build a team that is a bona fide elite team: a Nashville, a Detroit, a New Jersey. These are teams that don't necessarily win the Cup in any given season, but over a period of years are likely to make a number of serious Cup runs, of which at least one is liable to succeed. That way, we won't be debating *will the Habs make the playoffs and then magically get hot??* We'll be debating whether the Habs are good enough to beat Ottawa or Buffalo in the semi-finals, or take Anaheim or whoever in the finals, etc.. Like in the good old days, say 1993, when sliding from 1st to 6th OVERALL was terribly upsetting
(Now we'd give our eyeteeth to be 6th overall, no?)If we keep a MEDIOCRE team together in the hope of making a magical Cup run, and then lose Souray for nothing, the organization suffers a net loss in assets. That will make it harder even to sustain the current level of medicority the following year and into the future. As Reggie Houle amply showed, poor asset management is the ticket to perdition long-term. If we TRADE Souray and get back a stud young player who will anchor our core for years, then we're VASTLY more likely to end up as one of the elite powers in the NHL, and therefore vastly more likely to win the Cup. If we keep Souray for a few games and lose him after our likely 1st-round exit, we just perpetuate the vicious cyle of suckage.
Smart managers play the odds; what the 'dark horse' types are proposing is that Montreal fans resign themselves to endless mediocrity and pray for miracles. No thanks.
Of course, all of this assumes he won't re-sign with us. Whether we should re-sign him at 5 mil, that's another debate.
But assuming him to be gone: TRADE SOURAY, CALICE!!!
Some things are based on faith and not reality.
What would have to happen for Montreal to pull a Edmonton?
Huet coming back and playing at a level of a torn groin that he has not done since December?
Halak becoming the next Patrick Roy or Ken Dryden? Do we really expect this kid is a Hall of Famer?
Our defence all of a sudden learning how to move the puck in their defensive zone and not allowing turnovers?
Latendresse blossoming into a premier power forward in the next 20 games?
Koivu and Kovalev raising their level higher than in 2004 when we upset the Bruins?
Higgins regaining his form from the first 20 games?
Our PK going back to number 1 in the league?
Ryder not taking any shifts off for 2 straight months?
If all those things happen can we still win the Cup?
Some people believe that if you do not follow blindly that you are not a true fan. I agree with you 100% Cucumber, the goal in this league is to be the NJ/DET hell even OTT of the NHL. Not hoping for breaks and getting hot at the right time.
I am 33 years old and I have not forgotten looking forward to every season because I believed the Habs could legitimately win it all, and they did TWICE.
Now it is are we a playoff team? can we hold off the mighty Maple Leafs????
I trust Gainey and I know that he understands what the CH stands for. 24 Stanley Cups in 100 years does not stand for mediocrity. Houle destroyed the mystique of the Canadiens, he has made the younger generation throw parades for first round victories, an embarrasment only 10 years ago.
So if you think that keeping Souray to get smoked by NJ or Buffalo is a step forward, go nuts. I believe it is not the way to go. I still hope for the return to the expectation that playoff hockey will be every spring and that they have a chance to win it every year.
And because I believe that selling Souray for the best price right now does not mean I will not agonize over every single loss til the end of the season. I hope they prove me wrong!
I think that Gainey is exploiting the Habs bubble status in regard to the playoffs to full advantage. Turning it into an asset rather than an hindrance in terms of the trade flurry at the deadline. By not committing to being either a "buyer" or a "seller", he is able to consider all offers from playoff bound teams to the celler dwellers, strictly in terms of their overall merit.If you go to the market with money in your hand shouting for merchandise, the peddlers that going to demand a hefty price for their goods. If you go with a cart full of merchandise and no money, shouting "Goods for sale!", the buyers are going to make a lowball offer, assuming you need the money. But if you go with some merchandise and some money in your purse, just hanging around, you can buy if you hear a good offer, or sell if you see a good bargain.
One or two players aren't likely to make the difference either way in terms of the team making the playoffs, or how well they do if they make it there. That has been proven over and over again, year after year. All the playoff bound teams usually add a vet or two, but still only one wins the Cup. It has never been the team that paid the most at the trade deadline, either.
Nice take. Could be, Bob is a shrewd guy. When he makes trades nobody ever sees them coming.
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Personally I would love to hear from a season seat holder.
It changes your perspective on things. I know as a Raptors season seat holder when people scream that they wanted to blow things up and start over, I fell like telling them to go ###### themselves. I spent thousands on watching the Raptors lose 50 games per year and blowing up a rebuild, to rebuild again was the last thing I was interested in. Fortunately they turned it around and it was worth it.
When you dole out $2-5K every year you feel as though you have some say.
Any season seat holders here? What do season seat holders feel about a rebuild, or selling off assets?
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I will be happy if this kid can make an outlet pass. At least it would make 50% of our D-men who can do it. I am tired of the panic slap it off the boards and hope for the best routine.
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The 93 team did not sell of assets because the core of the 93 team had been to the 86 Finals and the 89 Finals and was built to win the Stanley Cup. Their slump also dropped them from 1st place overall to 6th overall. And they Habs were 44 points from missing the playoffs. For Savard to tank would have made absolutely no sense. Add to the fact that most of the losses came after the trade deadline. So the comparison is not a good one.
It is true you cannot win the Cup without making the playoffs, but comparing the Habs at this point to Carolina last season, a team that finished with 112 points and 4th overall in the league is nonsense. If you want to make a comparison, compare the Habs to the Oilers/Flames/Ducks/Canes 02. Those teams battled hard over the last 3-4 weeks to make the playoffs and caught Lightning in a bottle and STILL lost in the Stanley Cup Finals. And 3 of the 4 missed the playoffs the next year.
Bob made a good trade yesterday and if he can flip that 1st rounder and the 3rd rounder from the Johnson deal and a mid level prospect to get a rental..than go for it. You are essentially trading scraps from the Zednik/Rivet deals to upgrade. But the fact remains that keeping Souray is suicide. I love Souray's toughness, I love his Booming PP shot, I do not love his 1 on 1 play and his inconsistent defensive zone coverages. As far as I am concerned if you are going to pay $5-6 Million a year for a defenceman his name better be Pronger/Niedermayer or Lidstrom.
You cannot make mistakes in the new salary cap era! Bob has already made 2. Kovalev is not playing at the $4 Million level and neither is Koivu. That is why we are struggling, because the guys who have to pick up their slack are all Kids, and Kids are inconsistent. Higgins looked like and All-Star for a month, so does Ryder right now, but they go through stretches of being invisible. Look at Lats, he looked like the second coming on the first line and has been invisible for 2 months now. Pleks, Perez etc etc.
This team is not made for a run this year, they are trying to remain competitive with the eye on a Cup run in a couple of years. They have said as much. I will be fine with them keeping Souray and letting him walk after the season, but barring a run to the Stanley Cup Finals if Souray walks people will be bitching and moaning about the missed opportunity to unload Souray for a big package.
If Rivet got us a 1st and a kid, what would Souray command?
Souray at $5 Million a year...NO THANKS!
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I don't want to trade Souray because I do not think he is coming back.
I want to trade Souray because he is having a career season and he will not post another year like this again, hence he has and probably never will have this type of value ever again. Trade him at his peak.
He is not worth 5-6 million a year. Look at McCabe in Toronto, career year, big contract, back to reality!
There are a handful of defensemen who deserve 5- 6 million a year and Sheldon is not one of them.
In a cap world you have to be certain that the guys you pay that type of money will play at that type of level for the duration of the contract. Souray would be our highest paid player next season, do you expect him to be our best player for the next 5 years? Because that would be the commitment from the Habs to him.
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To become a significant NHL player, a prospect almost always has to crack the roster when he is 18, 19, or 20 years old. Unless he has been a star in Europe at that age. Players who reach the age of 22 without much NHL time can become semi regulars, but almost never impact players.
Brett Hull
Martin St. Louis
Teemu Selanne
Henrik Zetterberg
Daniel Alfredsson
Dan Boyle
Bill Guerin
John Leclair
Zigmund Palffy
Adam Oates
Milan Hejduk
Jonathan Cheechoo
Kevin Stevens
Chris Chelios
Ed Belfour
Cristobal Huet
Dominik Hasek
Lubomir Visnovsky
Brian Rafalski
Andrei Markov
Kevin Bieksa
Mikka Kipprusoff
Ryan Miller
Marty Turco
Dwayne Roloson
Curtis Joseph
almost never eh? Gotta love sweeping generalizations
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I agree with the idea of this thread. It would suck to miss the playoffs (I'd love to snag the 8th seed though because then we can play Buffalo who I think we have a chance against) but we can get a goldmine in return for Souray. And let's say we trade Souray to Anaheim and he struggles there. Maybe he'll remember his success in Montreal in try to come back here. You never know. What I do know is that Gainey will not let us down and if he does trade Souray, we'll get a shitload for him. If he hangs on to Souray I think it MAY mean he thinks he has a shot at re-signing him in the summer. Because there's no sense keeping him for a half-assed attempt at the Cup when we can get such a good return for him and STILL have almost just as good a chance of bringing him back in the summer.
St. Louis just got 3 picks for Keith Tkachuk
Philly got BRAYDON COUBURN for Zhitnik!!!??????
Philly got 2 picks and 2 prospects for Forsberg
With that type of return I would deal Souray. Their is no Stanley Cup coming this season.
And if we lose to the Leafs tomorrow what makes you think they can raise the bar for the rest of the season.
The goal is the Cup, it should always be the Cup.
Personally, getting knocked out in the first round is no different than missing the playoffs.
Just a worse draft pick.
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Seeing as I was frustrated with the loss today I wanted to take a look at the teams that are battling for the 6-8 seed. Don't jump off just yet.
I looked at the schedule and identified close to guaranteed Playoff teams/Teams that are fighting each other/Teams that are going to be on the course in a month. Below I have listed from Easiest schedule to the Hardest schedule.
NY ISLANDERS (10 HOME/10 ROAD)
Overall Winning Percentage of teams left on their schedule - .529
Playoff Teams - 7 (Buffalo/Ottawa 2/New Jersey 2/Pittsburgh/Tampa Bay)
Fighting with - 6 (Montreal//NYR 4/Toronto)
Golfing - 7 (Washington 2/Philadelphia 3/Florida/St. Louis)
The Isles have been rolling and they have one of the easiest schedules left. With Ted Nolan behind the bench I do not expect a collapse, they definitely have an inside edge on one of the final 3 spots.
ATLANTA THRASHERS (11 HOME/7 ROAD)
Overall Winning Percentage of teams left on their schedule - .534
Playoff Teams - 5 (Buffalo /Ottawa /San Jose/Pittsburgh/Tampa Bay)
Fighting with - 7 (Montreal/Carolina 2 /NYI/Boston 2/NYR)
Golfing - 6 (Washington 2/Florida 3/Philadelphia)
Atlanta maybe struggling right now but they have a fairly easy schedule to finish out the year. The majority of their games at home and 1/3 playing the bottom of the league.
NY RANGERS (11 HOME/9 ROAD)
Overall Winning Percentage of teams left on their schedule - .540
Playoff Teams - 5 (Ottawa/Pittsburgh 4)
Fighting with - 12 (Montreal 3/Carolina/NYI 4/Atlanta/Boston 2/Toronto)
Golfing - 3 (St. Louis/Philadelphia 2)
The Blueshirts are collapsing again like last year. They do have hope as they control their own destiny and they have an easy schedule down the stretch. I still do not like their chances.
CAROLINA HURRICANES (9 HOME/9 ROAD)
Overall Winning Percentage of teams left on their schedule - .548
Playoff Teams - 8 (Ottawa 2/Pittsburgh/New Jersery 2/Tampa Bay 2/San Jose)
Fighting with - 4 (Atlanta 2/NYR/Toronto)
Golfing - 6 (Washington 2/Forida 3/Philadelphia)
The defending Cup Champion has struggled all year and they have 6 layup games left on their schedule. Probable squeak in to defend.
MONTREAL CANADIENS (8 HOME/10 ROAD)
Overall Winning Percentage of teams left on their schedule - .561
Playoff Teams - 4 (Buffalo 2/Ottawa/Pittsburgh)
Fighting with - 12 (Toronto 3/Boston 4/NYR 3/NYI 1/ATL 1)
Golfing - 2 (Washington/St. Louis)
The good news is the Habs can write their own destiny. They have 14 games with teams that are even or below them in the standings. They probably need to win 12 of those to make the playoffs. It is still possible, but it is going to be tough.
BOSTON BRUINS (11 HOME/10 ROAD)
Overall Winning Percentage of teams left on their schedule - .562
Playoff Teams - 9 (Buffalo/Pittsburgh 2/Ottawa 2/New Jersey 2/Minnesota/Detroit)
Fighting with - 8 (Montreal 4/Atlanta 2/NYR 2)
Golfing - 3 (Washington /Philadelphia/Colorado)
The Bruins have been playing better lately but got hammered tonight and have been up and down all season. If the Habs can take 3 of 4 from the Bruins it will go along way to making the dance. Boston is a longshot at best
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS (11 HOME/9 ROAD)
Overall Winning Percentage of teams left on their schedule - .585
Playoff Teams - 10 (Buffalo 4/Ottawa 2/New Jersey 2/Pittsburgh/Tampa Bay)
Fighting with - 7 (Montreal 3/Carolina/NYI/Atlanta/NYR)
Golfing - 3 (Washington 2/Philadelphia)
The Leafs have the toughest schedule left out of the remaining teams. They do have 11 left at home, but they really need to earn their playoff appearance. If they do make it, they will be going in as one of the hottest teams in hockey. Which means that Sportsnet will run a Half hour HockeyCentral about how the Leafs will be this year's Edmonton!! LOL
So there you have it. Montreal has a tough road ahead of them and needs to really eat up the Bruins and Rangers to get into the playoffs. The Leafs have the toughest stretch drive so they are really going to have to amp it up down the stretch. It is still possible, but the margin for error is very slim. If I look for a team to collapse and see us sneak in it would be Atlanta
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The best example right now in the NHL is Buffalo. Most of their roster is talent developed in the system, and few were very high picks except Vanek. They've got great cohesion because they've all been braught up in the same way.
I agree, they seem to bring up a piece from their farm, plug them in and not miss a beat.
The difference with Buffalo being though that their 2 best players were stolen in trades.
Briere for Gratton and Drury/Begin for Reinprecht and Warrener.
Would Buffalo be the best team in the East if Briere was replaced by Gratton and Drury by Reinprect and Warrener? Probably not.
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Sooner or later we're gonna have to do it, mostly because we won't have room for all our prospects. Teams want young cheap talent and we'll be on a good position to be a seller.
Could not agree with you more Kozed. Most of the people on this board have little patience.
New Jersey was not built in 2-3 seasons. They began their ascension in 88 and it took them til 94 to make a large impact. 1988 was just a glimpse into the future.
Detroit had a solid team in the late 80's and continually choked in the playoffs in the early 90s before finally getting to the Finals in 95.
The lack of patience probably comes from watching Carolina/Anaheim/Minnesota/Calgary/Edmonton go off on one year miracle runs. But other than Carolina nobody has repeated that success.
Building from within is essential in the Salary cap NHL. If you fill your roster with homegrown talent and they remain restricted Free Agents for 6 years you can lock them in to reasonable cheap salaries.
Even if you do not develop a superstar the abundance of cheap talent creating your core allows you to go out and acquire one through trade or Free agency when you want to make your move. Teams like Tampa Bay who have used 21 million on 3 players will have to get rid of one of them sooner or later.
Gainey has been running this team for 3 Seasons (2 of which were under a cap), I don't understand what was expected. We have one of the best minor league systems in the NHL and sooner or later they will make their impact.
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Beliveau1, I am wondering if you saw a hit Sergei made on Steve Downie. I didn't see the game but I heard that Kostitsyn had the best hit of the game. Apparently it was a clean hit and he laid out Steve Downie who needed help getting to the bench. If you saw it can you give your opinion.
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You cant stop deflections.
If you are well positioned you can, but Halak is a small goalie, but they have to hit you. He cannot be blamed, but he has been hardly spectacular.
If Montreal is going to go on a run with him in net he has to make the saves he is not supposed to make.
If Cam Ward had just made the saves he was supposed to Montreal would have swept Carolina in 4. He was spectacular, making impossible saves. A goalie can break your back with bad goals, he can be average and stop the ones he is supposed to, or he can stand on his head and win you a game.
Halak is stopping the ones he is supposed to, and that is good enough for me.
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What GM is infallable?
Lamierello is bending cap rules all over the place because of poor free agent signings last year. Holland signed Cujo and Hasek at the same time and then had to cut Cujo free and go back and get Hasek. Feaster has not replaced Khabibulin and has had goaltending problems ever since. Lacroix got burned by acquiring Theo. There are no perfect GMs.
Ninimaa is off the books this year. I don't view that as a big mistake. What Gainey should have done was not sign Ribiero in the first place, then he would not have had to take on Ninimaa.
Samsonov is also off the books next year. The only expensive long term deals they are locked into are Kovalev and Koivu. The new NHL is about cheap talent that performs above what they make.
This team is set up to make a big impact if the youth begins to mature.
Gainey did not spend like a drunken sailor like alot of GMs and signed short term deals. Even with Samsonov stinking the joint out it was a 2 year deal. Not a 4-5 year albatross.
We have cap flexibility, and that is more important than anything in the new NHL.
They have 22 Million invested in 10 players next year. They have 5 million more to re-up for next season for 5 Restricted Free Agents. So that is 27 Million on 15 players. So that leaves almost 20 million for 7-9 players.
If Lapierre, Halak, Kostitsyn and Milroy make the team then they that leaves around 15 million for 3-5 players. So they have more than enough money to re-up both Souray and Markov or they could let Souray walk. Either way Gainey's legacy will be defined on how much of an impact our youth makes in the next couple of years.
Gainey keeps his cards close to his vest and knows what he is doing.
If you listen to the fans, soon you will be sitting with them.
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Honestly 5 of the 10 goals that have gone in on him have been deflected so its more like a 71/76 which is a 0.934 save %
I think those kind of bad bounces will stop soon.
I hope so! I am still waiting for a miraculous save though. Would make me feel better.
I still have not been able to form a proper opinion though.
His puck handling ability alone makes me want to go with him for the rest of they year though.
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Well you are saying that being critical and recognizing fault isn't something that one should do. And his name is "Bob" not "God", he has made some good moves (of which he is taking full credit where others were most likely more responsible) and some poor moves (that you seem to gloss over and brush off).
Hey I bet if I turn the radio up nice and loud so you don't hear that clunking you'd want it.
Bob Gainey's biggest asset to this team is the amount of respect he commands around the league.
THe Habs had become a laughingstock before he took over.
I wish that Montreal could have acquired one of these Super GMs that exist in the NHL today. The ones who only sign the perfect players, the ones who make perfect trades and the ones that draft the perfect prospects.
You know how many active GMs have won the Stanley Cup as a GM?
Feaster/Rutherford/Lamierello/Holland/GAINEY/Sather
Hey wait a minute? We have one of those
Gainey inherited some good young prospects from Andre Savard, and they have drafted some more talented prospects with the help of Trevor Timmons. He has stayed patient with our youth and it is slowly starting to pay off. He picked up Kovalev for Josef Balej and stole Bonk and Huet for Garon. He corrected a brutal mistake by dealing Theodore's albatross of a salary for an expiring salary.
He took over the Habs in May 2003 and has yet to miss the playoffs. Following 1 playoff appearance in the previous 5 years. THis team has a top 5 minor league system and is battling for a playoff spot again with a bright outlook to the future.
What exactly are the expectations of this guy? And people wonder why the hell nobody wants to play in Montreal :?-
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Correct.
Feb 23: How many Vezina Trophies did Ken Dryden win?
Interesting Fact: The 2003-04 Tampa Lightning were the first team to eliminate the Canadiens from the playoffs and proceed to win the Cup.
and Carolina again in 2005-06!
Feb 23: How many Vezina Trophies did Ken Dryden win?
5
and he shared it with that sieve Laraque 3 times
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I think he is what this team needs, good positioning, solid goalie. He isn't a game stealer yet but that is the best for this team, they play better when they know their goalie can't bail them out every time. He will be a great backup next year and I think we will be seeing abby moving on for sure now.
If Carbo has told him to stop handling the puck it would be disappointing because our Defense needs it.
As far as judging his ability he has given up 10 goals in 9 periods with a an .878 Save percentage. Not exctly what we were hoping for in our saviour. But he has 3 wins
. He also has not really given up any bad goals, but has not made any miraculous saves either.
I don't think he has played enough to say he has been good or bad.
His stats BAD, His wins GOOD.
The jury is still out.
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They won didn't they, it doesn't matter who he picked, half of you would be seconds guessing him.
Amazing isn't it?
I don't care if Carbo chooses Garth Murray/Craig Rivet/Aaron Downey to shoot as long as they get the job done! He went with the kids and we won.End of story.
Game Thread | Toronto vs. Canadiens | 02/26/07
in Habs & Hockey Talk
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That was the best game they have played in months. The Leafs live off being physical and Montreal really handed it to them. Lats smoked Coliacovo at least 3 times. Streit also was great in his own zone and his puck moving ability left the Leaf forwards with their pants around their ankles on more than one occasion.
It was nice to see them counter the Leafs forecheck and turn the tables potting 3PP goals. First time all year where they really outplayed Toronto. If not for 2 BRUTAL goals this game was a walk. But they still found a way to take a positive experience and turn it into a nail biter where you are cursing at the TV.
and of course...going into work and having to listen to..."Leafs would have won but the refs screwed us"..."Sundin was highsticked"...Montreal got lucky comments will be plenty.
Big win, on to NY. And on the Buffalo on Friday where I will be 10 rows from the ice
and Abby was his normal brutal self. He has let in 20-30 terrible goals this year! But in saying that I would still make that Theo trade over and over again. Let's hope Halak can hold the fort!