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1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Oops, I thought he was up next year. My bad.
He will certainly be traded before his contract is up; it's a question of when. If we wait until he's 32 he might have begun his decline, so maybe next year will indeed be a good target? Or, we just see him as a guy who plays out the string with us - allowing Hutson a luxurious, low-pressure entry into the NHL - to be moved as a rental in two years, even if that means not maximizing return.
Unless we get another that totally knocks our socks off - an offer we can’t refuse that doesn’t involve waking up next to a dead order head - I think we need to wait until next year. See what we have in the kids and if they can push Matheson down in the lineup. Savard on the other hand, I would move now. He’s a guy that will decline and will be susceptible to injury.
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36 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
he was in the list from the Atheltic as available under the right circumstances. In most recent (1 month or less) publications he is not listed as untouchable.
So, yes. It all depends on whether it is true that a bruising winger with Stanley cup experience is viewed as a need for VAN.
Harris on D would help them too, on a deep cup run. He is a very good depth LD that can play RD. He is also young enough to be part of their team for a while. Anderson and Harris are not rentals, which is a type of player they have said they do not want.
It is unlikely to happen, but it is probable with low probability.
I don’t think Anderson is seeing as a bruising winger - mentally bruised and crushed winger sure. Bruising, not so much.the knuckleheads can do better than Anderson in pretty much any other similar player available. Anderson at 50% is still 100% of wasted cap space.
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2 hours ago, GHT120 said:
How can he be the "last choice" for the PP on a team on which he tied for PP goals?
a team with Markov, as QB should have no issues scoring. The team had Pleks, the squid, Gionta, the two Kostitsyn brothers - and the count was on ragging Sergei from the first practice with the team. Maxpac wanted to stay in the minors rather than play in the plugging line when the count was the coach. Benoit chicken legs was also in the doghouse for the entire duration under the count. Basically, all of the young players we had were being held to a MUCH higher standard than the veteran - particularly the Gomez who was being paid $7m+ but couldn’t even put up 60 points. There were a LOT of better options then metro!
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On 2/22/2024 at 2:46 PM, BCHabnut said:
I liked him. Can’t remember if he was overpaid, but I thought he was a solid 4th liner with ability to move up the line up. Slow though, I think. Maybe selective memory.
I don’t like him, because die some idiotic reason he was in the PP. good in the draw, but should be about the last choice for the PP!!!
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1 hour ago, GHT120 said:
This video of Adam Ružička got posted online
And now
Maybe that was his strategy to get out of Arizona!!😁😆
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7 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Van might be interested in a Pezzetta type as depth. They've had injuries in their bottom-6 and the feeling is that this has contributed to their recent dip in performance. And if you're trying to win the Cup, you need to have some bench strength.
However, I really doubt anyone, including Vancouver, is coughing up significant assets for Pezzetta. Maybe a 4th rounder. So in that sense, the entire scenario isn't worth getting too excited about one way or another.
Frankly, what I mostly hear about in Van is the need to be 8, 9 deep at D in order to make a deep run. David Savard is the Hab they should be targeting, in pure hockey terms. I get that the cap may preclude that. But that's probably what they need from the Canadiens roster.
I think Pezzetta would bring more like a 6th/7th rounder back, but agree with you about Savard.
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22 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:
I believe that is potentially possible. Have you seen Pezz play in the playoffs? Nope. He gives 110% in the regular season so what level do you think he would play at in the playoffs? I'm sure the answer would be the same level of intensity at a minimum and probably even higher.
Does anyone else realize that Van has no F's that are tough and Pezz would be the 2nd or 3rd strongest and likely the toughest guy on their team? Not to mention the Nucks are currently built like a President Trophy team that gets knocked out in the 1st round. They could definitely use some sand paper in their line up.
The peanut gallery is purposely misinterpreting my point. Obviously, I'm not suggesting that Pezz will be their leading scorer. lol Besides, it not like 3rd or 4th liners have never been turned into a hero during a playoffs before.
Pezzetta is simply not good enough to play on a good team. Doesn’t matter how hard he tries or how tough he is, he isn’t the answer to the Canucks needs. The Canucks could use a big tough Dman like Savard. But even than he wouldn’t be used like we are using him. He’d be the bottom pairing dman on the Canucks.
Could the Canucks use more toughness? Absolutely. But they would be better served in getting a guy who can play hard on the top two lines. Someone like Horvat. Could the use more toughness on the third, 4th lines? Sure, but like I said, Pezzatta is not the answer - he is not a legit NHL player on a good team. He simply is not good enough of a hockey player. He’d have the same impact on the Canucks that Ryan Reeves is having on the Leafs. Zilch.
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11 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:
This doesn't exactly directly solve the Anderson issue but I thinks its related. I heard an interesting trade rumour the other day and I'm not sure if it was legit or a fan proposal. At 1st I thought it could be a good idea, but then changed my mind. Selfishly, I want the Habs to be the next Canadian team to win the Cup. The Nucks would probably win the Cup if they had Pezzetta.
I believe the Habs primary problem is that they have too many floaters under contract for next year that aren't doing enough. ex: Dvo, Armia, Andy, Gally, + Evans. Pezz isn't a floater but he doesn't put up a lot of points so if he's replaced with somebody who does that would help balance out the under producing floaters. Most people say Gally needs to go and he's the most expensive so that makes sense but thats the most unlikely outcome. Basically, the under production of the entire team can be rectified for next year by removing any 2 of their low producing F's and add 2 that get in the high 40's or low 50's in points. It would make sense to trade Pezz but I'm not sure if the Nucks are the right team.
Ironically, I believe Pezz could be the secret sauce Van needs to win the Cup. They currently lack a player like that and I'm thinking he could be the type of 4th liner thats needed to win. A lot of Cup winning teams have a 4th line nobody that gets 2.5+x their regular season production. ex: a player that gest 6-12g/82gms but gets 5-7 in 24ish gms in 1 playoffs. I could see Pezz being that guy.
You seriously think Pezatta is the missing piece the Canucks need to win the cup??? Really?? Really?
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23 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
I always thought of Anderson as a very expensive 3rd line winger that could play up the lineup when hot.
I wonder how well he would play in a line like this:
RHP-Gignac-Anderson
(I know RHP is on ir)
just wondering with a speedy center and an energy winger with 3rd-line talent
Or, for now:
Pearson-Gignac-Anderson
What had Gignac done to you, that you want to punish him so badly!!
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6 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
I want the Habs to sign him to short contracts and see if he can help the Habs hoist the cup. Like Spezza did with the leafs - those type of contracts.
On another note, lines from practice today which translates to game lines most of the time:
Canadiens lines at practice:
Ylönen (for Caufield)-Suzuki-Slafkovský
Roy-Newhook-Anderson
Armia-Evans-Gallagher
Pezzetta-Gignac-PearsonMatheson-Savard
Struble-Guhle
Xhekaj-Kovacevic/HarrisI've complained about Anderson before. The facts are that for most of the season Slafkovsky has made EVERY line that he plays on better. Contrast that with Anderson who for most of the season has made EVERY line that he plays on worse.
Anderson is not earning his ice time and he belongs on the 4th line. Let him find his game and work his way back up. Let everyone else have their shot at those top 6 minutes and see if anyone can produce more than Anderson.
Armia turned his game around when he had to re-earn his spot and he is playing significantly better. Perhaps limited minutes on the 4th line would similarly motivate Anderson.
At the start of the year, I dint think it made sense to send Anderson down - we had to hope that he turned things around and increased his trade value. At this point I think we should send him down. At least at the start of the year, it looked like he was trying SOMETIMES, now it looks like he is just collecting his pay check, but isn’t even trying to earn it!
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4 hours ago, GHT120 said:
Does Gallagher return to the lineup?
Does he deserve to return to lineup
Probably and he’ll no!
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14 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Matthews is an incredible player, but no one outside of Leafs Nation seriously believes that nonsense.
There’s leafs fans I grew up with that felt Sittler got 10 points in a game so that proves he was the best player in the NHL, and that Palmateer was a much better goaltender than Dryden🙄
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6 hours ago, GHT120 said:
You are 100 correct that NOTHING justifies a cross-check to the face ... but I could have understood Reilly simply checking Grieg or challenging him to a fight ... the "fake slap shot" was unnecessary hot dogging to embarrass the Leafs.
Why should he have to fight for that???
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6 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Sometimes even pros have off nights and rubbing salt in the wound doesn't accomplish anything, only fires up the opponent for the next game.
That’s fine. But it doesn’t mean you cross check in the face for doing it. Have an issue, next year try and beat them 10-0.
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6 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I guess we will have to disagree on this. Winding up for a slapshot was totally unnecessary and disrespectful, kind of like running up the score. It's like sending out your best power play unit in the last minute of the game with a big lead.
And Matthews scoring and waving his hands to fall fans is not disrespectful? I don’t have an issue with either, but this code stuff is bullshit! Would also have been disrespectful if he skated to the goal and let as much time pass as possible until the dman came over and than tapped it in? If Reilly has an issue, don’t be soft and let them score!
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2 hours ago, dlbalr said:
Mittelstadt had 59 points last season and has 42 in 51 games this year. I think it has been established that he's not another Armia, a player who has cracked 30 points once in his career. Not to mention that they don't play the same position or the same style of play (Mittelstadt isn't great in his own end while Armia is a checker). They're about as opposite of players as there can be.
We need guys who can score. He had 15 last year and has 12 this year. We’ve hit some guys who look like they can be decent playmakers, but only one real sniper in Caufield and hopefully Slafkovsky can be another. If we are going to give up high picks and top prospects it needs to be for finishers.
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3 hours ago, BCHabnut said:
Just too many missing pieces and players developing. Without a superstar, they will need depth. They have no depth is any position, except potential for future depth at defense.
My attempt to place non injured players in positions that they're qualified for right now, rather than potential or where they currently play.
1 Suzuki 1a, Caufield
2. Slafkovski
3. Newhook Gallagher or Anderson
4. RHP Evans Armia
What is Anderson? I don't know. I wouldn't have him on a top 6. Doesn't play well with others. Pezzetta
Defense
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2 Matheson
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4 Ghule
5 Savard,
6. Kovacevic, Harris
7. Struble, Xhekaj, Barron
Goalies
Monty 1a
Allen 1b
MSL (head coach on a good team? Doubt it.
No PP or PK coach on a good team.
Unsure of other coaching staff.
You know Friedman in one of his broadcasts made a comment that Lamirello tends to hire coaches for their 2nd job, and has had success - we tend to hire too many rookie coaches. I don’t mind the MSL hire - given our current situation, but next time I’d like to hire someone who’s already learned from their mistakes than continue to be a training ground for coaches.
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2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I agree, although Middlestadt would be an improvement to what we have now, he is 25, his career high is 59 points and needs to be signed, not sure what he is expecting as he can't be too far from UFA status. The Jets pick plus Roy plus one of Harris/Struble/Barron is not a cheap price. If he was 22 instead of 25 I would be more interested and I am not sure if his ceiling is much higher than what he has shown so far.
I would prefer to see what we can get at the draft or hope/pray Dach can remain healthy.
Agreed. It would be a huge regret if Roy outscores him in two years. I certainly wouldn’t want to take that risk.
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3 hours ago, Commandant said:
By the Jets i meant the pick
The Jets 1st round pick (acquired for Monahan) one of the defence, and a decent prospect.
Oh, ok, gotcha. I’m not sure I’d want to move a first pick and a prospect for a 25 year old who may be nothing more than a Joel Armia type of guy.
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On 2/10/2024 at 9:43 AM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Mittelstadt wants to get paid what he is worth. I never quarrel with a player who takes that stand. Any team acquiring him will need to shill out.
In terms of the Habs' interest, everything would depend on how they see the team's window. Acquiring Mittelstadt means we will not have benefitted from any of his years of cap value. That's a move you make if you expect to contend within a couple of years, I'd think. I wish he were a couple of years younger.
Assuming we're interested, what would get it done? Our 1st round pick plus - ?
Not sure why we are in a hurry to throw around first round picks+ for a guy who MAY score 20 goals this year, but hasn’t scored more than 15 yet. I certainly wouldn’t move one our top forward prospects like Roy or a first round pick for him. Form our D prospects, the only guys I’d be willing to move is Harris.
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2 hours ago, Commandant said:
I dont think you need to give.up our pick.
I think itd be more like the Jets pick, one of Harris/Barron/Struble, and another prospect like Roy.
Do you mean the Sabres?
I wouldn’t want to include Roy in the deal. Hasn’t scored 10 goals yet and is from the Andersson draft. I’d rather see if Andersson can play. If it’s just Harris - Sure. If Sabres want more size and grit in addition to Harris, I’d be happy to throw in Josh Anderson😁
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2 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:
Interesting that Lindros was traded for Forsberg straight up. I would have thought the deal included Ricci, 2 1st rnd picks, $15 mil in cash, + numerous other players.
Yes, if you pick 1st you take Celebrini because he is the consensus 1st over all pick. However, thats irrelevant to my original point.
I'm surprised that there are 2 players that being compared to a 1st over all pick (Lindros), and a 2nd over-all that should have been a 1st over-all (Pronger) and that the #1 is so much further ahead of them and that neither of them are locks in the top 3 of this draft.
Yes., and I’m sure the Flyers regretted that deal. Even on a one for one deal, on way would I move Forsberg for Lindros. Forsberg won everywhere he played. Lindros not so much.
Forsberg - 2 Stanley cups, 2 Olympic golds, Calder, Hart trophies, art ross.lindros - Olympic silver (lost to Forsberg), Olympic gold, 2 WJC, Hart trophy
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2 hours ago, GHT120 said:
Well ... Forsberg won 2 Cups and Lindros won zero ... but Lindros score 100+ more goals.
I’d take Forsberg over Lindros every time. If you want to talk about compete factor as a criteria - Lindros may have the size, but doesn’t come close to Forsberg in heart, drive, or skill. Both had their careers cut short by injuries, but Forsberg was not only the more complete player, he was also the more skilled player.
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2 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:
Thats exactly why I think Guhle could be traded. Any d-man picked in the top 10 would likely be as good as Guhle if not better.
Silayev will likely go top 3. I've heard him described as a cross between Chara and Pronger.
Personally, I want Lindstrom though. I've heard him being compared with Lindros.
I don't know a ton about Celebrini because its unlikely the Habs will get him but I find it hard to believe that he's the consensus for the 1st over all pick.
It seems there would be a good chance that Silayev and Lindstrom could have better careers. I get the same impression with Tiggy being a dark horse and I think he'll be better than numerous forwards that are ranked higher than him.
The Flyers traded the smaller Forsberg for the bigger, stronger Lindros. How did that deal work out for them? If we win the lottery, we should be taking the smaller Celebrini.
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I think I had picked Suzuki to get around 87 points - despite his dry spell, he may still be able to do that. It would be nice to have a hab close to 90 points and finally pass Kovolev’s point total from over 15 years ago!