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22 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
That Caufield goal was his patented old school corner snipe. As you say, if Caufield can regain that shot and start filling the net then we are in for an exciting second half.
If his timing is/was good off because of his shoulder, and he’s back to normal, I can see him going in a year where he scores 20 goals in the second half.
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22 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
Im hoping Dach is that centre and in my mind the Habs need to get one more high end winger and then we are a playoff team with two strong scoring lines.
Hopefully HuGo can leverage our depth at defence to get that winger.
Thats why I wanted is to take Michkov or Leonard at the last draft. Michkov could have been a Kane type of winger, while Leonard could have given us two lines with big wingers.
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27 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Armia now has 7 goals in 27 games, that's a 21 goal pace over 82 games. Maybe the time in Laval did him some good and he has finally figured it out.
If I had a dollar for every time someone brought up that Armia is on a 20 goal pace, I’d be making more more than he is🙄
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1 hour ago, tomh009 said:
Armia and Dvorak have the Habs' lowest GA/60 of all the forwards on penalty kill. Take out both, and for sure the PK will get worse yet.
Two useless players signed for too much money. Monohan looked good against McDavid. PK can be taught. Don’t need to spend $8m on two PK specialists, when with the right coaching, I’m sure Evans can do just fine - certainly not worse. I’d say coaching and systems, and not personnel is the issue.
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7 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
Roy getting PP time is pretty cool
Kovacevic looks rusty or he is overwhelmed. Harris saved his ass a few times.
Matheson Guhle look terrible together
Savard Struble don’t look great together
Evans and the two Gallaghers look decent
Monahan, Roy, Armia are mostly invisible
There are some players that can make their linemates rise up to their levels Armia’s specialty is making his linemates disappear with him. Too bad Roy’s first NHL game had to be with that stiff.
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7 hours ago, GHT120 said:
I would have thought we all knew that Drouin's issues were not feeling "entitled".
His issues most likely resulted by not being able to live up to the pressure he faced. When he was in Tampa, and was sent down, or wasn’t getting ice time, he pouted. Than MB made one of his many bonehead mistakes of handing a guy who hadn’t proven anything a long term deal - which Drouin was never able to live up to.
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3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Funny thing about PLD...he would look POTENTIALLY look pretty good in the event that Dach turns out to be damaged goods. Assuming that his current struggles are aberrant. The trouble, of course, is the contract. Maybe we could ship them Anderson, LOL.
He seems to have the entitled Drouin syndrome.
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5 hours ago, DON said:
Kings;
Biggest disappointment: PL Dubois not making a difference
That was the goal when Kings general manager Rob Blake moved Gabriel Vilardi, Alex Iafallo and Rasmus Kupari for the 25-year-old Dubois. He was supposed to give Los Angeles unparalleled depth at center, fitting in with Anze Kopitar, Phillip Danault and Blake Lizotte. Instead, Dubois is headed for career lows over a full season as he’s on a pace for just 15 goals and 34 points. He had three goals in his first four games and has only four in 33 since. ...
And there were guys here wanting to give him $9m🙄
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2 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Roy is out there against McDavid…maybe not the ideal matchup?
Maybe Marty thought he had Patrick Roy out there against McDavid.
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5 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
Looks like
Caufield-Suzuki-Slaf
RHP-Evans-Gallagher
Roy-Monahan-Armia
Pezzetta-Stephens-Ylonen
Guhle-Matheson
Struble-Savard
Harris-Kovacevic
Montembeault (to be confirmed)Should be swapping Ylonen and Armia. Or better yet, send Armia down and bring up Andersson
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With rumours that Montreal was offered Cutter Gauthier at the draft for the 5th pick, is that a move we should have made?
having passed on Gauthier at the draft, could we have gotten him for a Barron+Harris type package?
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3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Laval is heating up:
The GA is horrible. Looks like Tampas’s farm team is rolling right along.
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29 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
Lots of those teams will have some interest, sure. (I expect Washington will be selling though, Pittsburgh is TBD.) But my comment was about him being a top-six piece on teams. He wouldn't be on the playoff-bound teams on your list, he'd be a third-liner. I don't doubt Monahan will have a good market, I just don't think he'll be producing enough to fit high enough on a depth chart to warrant a first-rounder in the return, that's all.
I guess we will have to wait and see. If Tampa can give up what they did for Jeannot - who admittedly is a younger (who they intended on reigning),and different type of player, but wasn’t one that was used in the top 6, I can see teams overpaying for a guy who can not only add to their team with his ability to fit in anywhere in the lineup, be insurance for top 6 in case of injury, and at worst be a solid 3rd line player at a very low cap hit.
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31 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
Other centres in play will be Lindholm, Henrique, Novak (whose contract is going to make him really popular), maybe Wennberg. Offensively, Jason Dickinson is in that mix as well but he won't command a huge return. It's not a deep C group.
But there are only so many firsts to go around. Lindholm will get one, so will Hanifin. If Guentzel goes, he gets one. Someone else will pay a first for a d-man.
If you go back a page or two, I have Monahan as a 2nd plus a small something (think a mid-round pick a couple years out). That's still a pretty valuable return on a rental.
Guys like Lindholm and Henrique are not only going to cost more, but will require more cap room.
I agree there are only going to be so many 1st rounders available for the draft and potentially even 2025, but with the number of picks we have and the number of prospects in our system, we should be trying to get more picks 2026-2028. We will hopefully be picking later and could use more picks at that time - either to restock the cupboards, or to use as capital to add players for our own future playoff runs.
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2 hours ago, dlbalr said:
Believe me, I've looked at the teams that might have interest in Monahan. Aside from maybe Colorado, there isn't one where he's a sure-fire top-six player and the Avs are aiming a whole lot higher than Monahan at the moment. League-wide, I'm not sure that there are ten other teams (including non-playoff teams) that would view him as a true top-six.
I disagree that his production would go up on a better team. He plays PP1 in Montreal, he certainly isn't going to be there on a good team. And nearly half his point total has come with the man advantage this season. At five-on-five, he hasn't been very productive. At even strength, he's a third liner with two fewer ES points than Jake Evans (and that's a full-season stat, not a cherry-picked sample size). The five-on-five production might go up a tad but it'll be offset by not playing PP1.
A three-week hot streak at the start of the season doesn't change the outlook for me; I'm going with the larger and more recent sample size as the better assessment of his offensive ability. He's fading offensively and has been for a while now. On a pop gun offence, that's unlikely to improve demonstrably to significantly increase his trade or contract value in the coming weeks. And if his production keeps sliding, I don't see how he gets a first-round pick unless every other centre of value gets extended and comes off the trade block.
If I'm coming off too harsh, I'm not trying to. I like Monahan. But for me, he's a 40-point player, not a 50, certainly not a 60. I expect the longer sample size will continue, offsetting the early-season hot streak; that 0.59 PPG average is going to drop over the next two months. He's definitely a useful player at the right price point and slotting him as a 3C behind Suzuki and Dach as a bridge guy for a couple more years makes sense to give Beck some AHL time. But that price point starts with a three which falls in line with similar players with that type of production.
I agree that the Avs are probably shooting higher. But I could see the canes, Caps, Isles in the East as teams potentially a fit (I think the Pena would be interested, they just have no assets to offer up). When you look at the west, I could see most of the teams in the playoff picture wanting to add a guy like Monohan. A team like Winnipeg is going to be all in -the only thing that they’ll be carful about upsetting chemistry. If the Avs make a big move, others in the west will also be looking to add.
There will always be demand and a premium for RHD and centres that can slide up and down, or play the wing in the middle six - particularly guys who can produce and are responsible offensively. With so many team’s up against the cap, when you factor in Monohan’s cap hit, I could see multiple teams willing to give up a 1st+ for Monohan.
Hell, if we were a legit playoff team and a guy like Monohan was available, he is exactly the kind of guy I’d be looking to add. At his cap hit, teams could add him AND address another need. I think it’s going to depend more on the amount of movement that occurs leading up to the deadline. This is a copycat league. It’s just going to take one team to make a significant move to trigger a flurry of activity. If that move doesn’t happen, we could be in for a quiet deadline. But like I said earlier, it’s a copycat league - and there are some teams that will make moves, so we could be in for a pretty busy deadline, and that could lead to a lot of overpaying. I’d love it if we could move Allen, Monohan and Savard by the deadline and pick up two first rounders, and a couple of second rounders, or some high end prospects. Hell, in our situation with so many prospects, we should be looking at making moves to add picks for the 2026 to 2028 drafts when hopefully we will be picking much later in the draft!
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1 hour ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:
All I know is top line centers who are a PPG are making 8-10 million a season.
A third line C who was playing in the top 6 his whole career and who just turned 29yrs old and shown no ill effects from his hip surgery (2 years ago), and last year demonstrated he was coming back into form before breaking his foot and is on pace for 20 plus goals this season after 4 x 20 goal and 4 x 30 goal seasons is worth at least 3 years 15 million.
He's worth more to us re-signed
Armia was on pace for 20 goals many times during his career. Now Monohan is and always will be 10 times the player Armia could ever be, but he is an old 29. He isn’t even a 60 point guy anymore, and I don’t see him getting 20. I do see him having an enough for a playoff run. I also see value in being a mentor that can provide 12-17 goals over the next three years snd 40-50 points if healthy and that’s a big IF. I think given where we are a 1st rounder is worth more. That can be used to trade. For another centre from a cash strapped team later on, and not just to pick another player at the draft. So if we can get a 1st for Monohan, given where we are, I don’t know how we could even think twice but to trade him. If we resign him No one is going to give up a 1st for a guy like Monohan at the draft even if he was making $3m/yr, but someone may be willing to overpay for a playoff run at his current salary with no future commitments.
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1 hour ago, dlbalr said:
Monahan produced like a top-six forward for a month and a third-liner for two months. He's on the third line now. I think there's plenty of evidence to show he's a third liner on a contending team. Teams know what Anderson is; his value hasn't moved much within the last couple of years, even when he was sitting at zero goals a few weeks ago. With Monahan's injury past, his value is much more susceptible to movement. Two years in a row now, he started strong and then slowed down; if I can see that, so can other teams. There isn't a contending team out there that's looking at Monahan as a full-time top-six guy regardless of my stat line (which was more to illustrate to some who think he's still producing that he really isn't all that much lately).
Yes, lots can change but as of today, I think he's viewed as a third-liner by everyone who might want him. History shows that the elite third-liners get a first-rounder and I don't think Monahan is in that category right now. But, given that his value ebbs and flows a lot more compared to someone like Anderson, a good six-week stretch could definitely change things. But from what I've seen from him lately, I'm not expecting it.
I think most teams will see him as bargain 3rd liner, who can be moved up the lineup when needed, and I think some teams will be willing to give up a 1st rounder for that versatility at his current salary. I th knee can play more of a role that Lars Eller did with the Caps during their cup run, at a much lower cap hit.
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4 hours ago, Commandant said:
I think there is another couple things to remember with Monahan's injuries vs Dach's. Pure games missed is one thing but its not everything.
Monahan was a dominant PPG centre on a first line in Calgary at one point in his career. While hes still a good player, His injuries have clearly reduced his effectiveness and hes played through them.
Dach's injuries have been different body parts each time (wrist, sternum, leg), while Monahan has had a chronic issue with his hip.
Dach is younger.
Dach has two more years on his contract at 3.3 million, significantly less than the numbers we are discussing on a potential monahan extension in this thread.
Also have to factor in that for his time in Calgary, you need to factor in not just games missed, but also games he should have missed. He continued playing when he should have got surgery during two of his season in Calgary, which only increased the amount of wear issues with both the hips and wrists, by not dealing with the injuries at the right time - much like his foot injury last year.
He was an extremely popular player in Calgary until the media and fans turned on him. Hdid have chronic other year’s as well, he just didn’t miss his games and it didn’t effect him as much earlier. During the Covid year, he should have dealt with his injuries, but instead played hurt, and it reduced his effectiveness in the playoffs. It’s one thing to suck it up in the playoffs after a hard year, it’s another to not being able to be effective in the playoffs because you didn’t deal with the issue at the right time.
i would not want him him signed for over 3 years and no more than $4m. Even then, if a team offers a first+, I think you have to take it. I also think that at his current salary, a team may be willing to give up more than a 2nd rounder for him, even though his production has fallen. Centres are a premium at the deadline, and ones that can play both ends of the ice effectively at a low salary will be worth more.
If we were close to being a contender, he is exactly the type of guy I’d want our team to get. While we are not that many points back of a wild part spot CURRENTLY, I still don’t think that we are even a legit bubble team. We are 25th in the league, and while I said at the start of the season I think we’ll finish between 25-28, I think we will still finish closer to 27-28. Next year hopefully we are at least a legit bubble team, 25/26 is the year we should be looking at being a solid playoff team. Given where we are, I don’t see the point of holding on to Monohan IF someone is willing to give up a 1st+ for him, or Savard.
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5 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
I think, by definition, the seventh-best defenceman (as judged by St-Louis) would be in the doghouse.
On PK, he has been arguably been the best of the D corps, but that appears not to be enough.
I don’t think it means someone is on the doghouse. It’s more of a matter of having more bodies that can play, and you play the ones that are playing the best - which could change every few games. At some point I think they will move one of the veteran Dmen. Frankly the upside with the kids (maybe even the floor), is better than some of the veterans we have. It’s not like the veterans don’t make mistakes. I cringe every time I see Savard trying to play goal!
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43 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
OR ... they could take back a pending UFA centre in the deal, or as the "3rd team" in another trade to make use of their LTIR cap space.
100% agree. The dumb thing to do is try and trade for someone to fill Dvorak’s spot and waste a roster spot to fill a hole in a development season.
34 minutes ago, DON said:Yup, thought similar.
Anyways, assume Hughes will move him... if he can just stay healthy for next 10 weeks
(he 'seems' a bit off for awhile now).
I’m hoping some team will wan to make a move earlier. There are a lot of teams that could use guys like Savard and Monohan. We may be able to get two first round picks +, or equivalent level of high end prospects for either - especially with 50% retention.
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7 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
Now you've gone and jinxed the defencemen on the NHL roster.
I think the move to the Bell Centre did that!
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6 minutes ago, DON said:
Will Dvorak's injury impact Monahan's availability to a contender?
I am guessing no, as Habs only play 19 games after the trade deadline and maybe a Laval centre can fill in on 4th line to finish off season?
Canadiens’ Sean Monahan is about to get more important in Christian Dvorak’s absence - The Athletic
"But what Dvorak also provided to Canadiens management was insurance in the event Monahan would be traded at the deadline, which is just over two months away. And it is worth wondering if Dvorak’s injury has made Monahan too important to the Canadiens for them to trade."
That seems like a silly statement in the article. We are not a playoff team. We will not make the playoffs. If we get offered a 1st+ for Monohan we have to move him. If the offers aren’t that great and he is willing to sign a 2 or 3 year deal at reasonable rate - under $4m, that is the only scenario I’d keep him.
if we move him, we bring in Anderson, or someone else from Laval. But you don’t hang on to Monohan, nice w might finish 27th instead of 24th without him, unless you have him signed to a reasonable short term deal. If we get a good offer, we have to move him. -
16 minutes ago, Commandant said:
I dont think its that big an IF that he will play well in the AHL. He's always been fine in the AHL. Its the NHL where hes struggled.
Yeah - I didn’t see any Laval games, but it looked like he was productive until he got injured. Worth a look if he can finally be productive at the NHL level before his contract is up.
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1 hour ago, tomh009 said:
Yes, those are big ifs. But so is "if Andersson plays well when he returns" ... 😊
Well he seemed to be playing well until he got injured - seemed productive anyways.
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100% agree. He is a guy who can score on a hot streak, but really isn’t an offensive guy. He is effective when physical and he is skating and playing hard. However, he takes far too many nights off, and at times he looks like he needs to go see the wizard for a heart, a brain, and despite his size - courage. He would have been a decent resigning for $2m (number I said how how we should have gone about Jennie was a UFA), and a great to have at around $1.5m to $1.75m. I wish we had let him walk and resigned Lekhonan to the same contract, but that ship sailed a long time ago. Typical MB and his size fetish.
100% agree that we can’t move him without eating 50% of his salary and even than may need a 3rd team to eat 25%. If we could get a decent pick to eat 50% for this year and next, I’d make that deal in a heartbeat - even if it means we lose our last retention spot.