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And than there were 4 ( well 5 for now )
REST , well deserved....WINNING attitude: Gill, Gionta, Moen, Gomez.....
Well done to eliminate the President cup winner, and Stanley Cup Champions!!
Friday or Sunday next game!!
HALAK goaltending and TIMELY goals, with a winning attitude, and great attitude and grit ....Keep it up
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Now for the KILLER instinct, and the ALL IMPORTANT 5th goal....5 shots in 25 minutes doesnt cut it!!
5th goal here, game over!!
( I am thinking we will need it )
THERE IT IS!!.... now can afford 2 goals against and still WIN
GAME, SET, and soon..... "......."
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Halak again
Now for the KILLER instinct, and the ALL IMPORTANT 5th goal....5 shots in 25 minutes doesnt cut it!!
5th goal here, game over!!
( I am thinking we will need it )
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Oh no
Gill x 2, Hamrlik, , Lets hold to the sticks!!!
longest 2 minutes coming up!! and **** this is it, they need to stop them...or else...\
and keep your sticks!!
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Why Panic, Stick to game plan, and not a false sense of security with a 4 to 0 game!!
---- 4 shots last 15 minutes of the 2nd period on Brent Johnson, including the first ones, when its should have been buried, but AK fanned on the shot!!
---- Keep playing with intensity, and attack, Penguins will be attacking, counter on them..
2 bad breaks, ( rebound off ref and Gill without stick, and again Hamrlik without stick for the 2nd ), game of breaks, Habs had them earlier...
Double digit shots coming up, HALAK needs to come through, and get goal 5, to win series!!
Still there is room....so stay COMPOSED
20 minutes from conference final, Defending Champions wont go quitely into the night..
Thats it, enjoy
( and by the way, I dont want to here, here we go again, CAPS again...totally different, dont want to hear it )
lets hope in 20 minutes of game, we will all be talking about the next series and not the next season!!
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Subban played 29+ minutes?? Wow.. lol What a jump to the NHL
Was about to post that, 33 shifts ... well done, what a great learning curve!!
Pouliot benched after Crosby goal......
Gill back for game 7?
Bergeron now -11!!!
enough said on that one...
Game 7: HALAK, all all the big guns, and Def. needed, crash net, fight like hell!! and on to next series...
well done, playoffs, vs Washington, now Pittsburgh!!
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Not making any comments on the refs, missed calls!!
Anyways,
---- team has to get in front of Fleury and pay the price in front of the net, like the Penguins have been doing.
---- Penguins protect the front of their net well.
---- so there has to be more traffic.
---- Obviously, Penguins have lot more action behind the play, and are more dynamic team than the Capitals, so Habs need to cover the lanes, and watch the " weak side, or the behind the play.
---- * out of 9 home playoff losses over last couple years dont cut it!!
Effort is there, but no offense no wins...
they have a period and a bit, to create that traffic and generate some offense!!
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Interesting that we only dressed 17 players for the game... that is a message to SK. Rather be short one then put you in...
anyone hoping to see that guy in a habs uniform will need to use photoshop soon.
Too bad SK doesnt have his head in playing for Habs....
We all move on...as for the series:
MTL in a must win Game 4, Penguins unlike Washington have that grit and experience of winning that they will not lose 3 in a row...
having said that. Penguins can be had!!
---- Good first period, 2 posts...( Lapierre, Cammalleri....)and team was skating
---- not until late in 3rd did we return to that..
As mentioned on here and reporting, YES team is looking out of gas...the 3 lines for Game 2, and today Metroplolitan plays 5 minutes, and Darche 0 minutes, was he even dressed?
Whats the point.....Dress and play that depth the team needs now....( other than SK, unless someone can knock some sense into him)
---- Plekanec needs some more offense production
---- Pouliot needs that scoring to come back from when he first arrived
---- Bergeron CANNOT be playing 20 + minutes!!! ( when will Spacek be back?)
---- AK production:
AK atleast showed some solid hits and intensity, but need his scoring back!!
Gorges and Gill in Box for 3rd period start cost the goal!!
only soo much to rely on HALAK, and without Cammalleri goal, spells loss with no goals...
But again, feel that PENGUINS are ripe to be taken!!, but we need above elements to work!!
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If only I had the same one you did, I still have scars and not much of a hamstring after it got yanked. Interesting to learn about the advancements in ACL surgery...boy is this getting a little off track.
Just passin on information on how ACL surgery has come a long way, and atheletes come back with very little impact on their perormance , if any at all!! There is a " psychological " re adjusting for fear of being hit, which practice takes care of, After that firs fall or big hit, one is fine..
From a Habs fan and Markov perspective, dont worry about impact on his game....but at sametime I would be very surprised if he is back before Christmas, perhaps even allstar game...so as to not be rushed...
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Not only the playoffs, but an ACL injury can be up to 6 months from the date of surgery. 6 months from now is a month into next season.
TSN has reported it, having gone through ACL reconstruction not a fun thing. I had the Oiler Doctor do mine, ( he has done the surgery for numerous Football players and NHL players, )
Quickest recovery is the surgery I had, Allograph, a donor ligament from achilles area, actually is stronger, and quickest recovery...
Having said that, they will need to wait until swelling goes down, and surgery not until a couple weeks, depending on swelling...
Of course, with torn acl, one can play with a brace ( what i did) but risk cartilage and miniscus damage, ( which also I did with time), best doing it now than later...
I dont expect Markov to be ready befor Christmas, expect A JANUARY 2011 return or even after the ALL star break....6 to 8 month from time of surgery...
( well thats from personal experience and recent surgery with latest surgery techniques and recovery) My knee is as strong as ever ( just dont have cartilage,) , cant even tell any scars... ( not like past radical ACL surgeries, all cut up, and quite often from your Hamstring or Petula to replace ACL with )...
Hoping all the best for MArkov, he will be up and at it in no time!!, and shouldnt affect his on ice performance
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WOW, bring on Crosby and Pittsburgh!!
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I couldnt live through an OT.
PLEASE NO MORE GOALS ALLOWED!!!
We are in OT now, we have luxury to kill 1:44
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SLoppy!!! matter of time.... now hold on 2 minutes
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YES!!!!, ALL I got to say!!
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I figure we are *8 saves by halak away from it!!
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Total bull. Dallas is going to trade a 1st 2nd 3rd, Brunsstrom and Richards for Horcoff, Grebeshkov, a prospect and a 3rd? Ya i dont think so.
AGREED, who dreams up these unrealistic trades!!, wow
From Montreal's Perspective:
Cogliano, small perimeter player, yes has speed, but gets easily pushed around....
Smid, is not as good as Gorges, and gets beat to outside all the time,
( Habs fan here, living in Edmonton, watch these players all the time)
So Cogliano and Smid, will not help..
Brunnstrom, well how would he help??
I wouldnt trade Price for the above straight up???
Hoping Gauthier doesnt get into a trade, because it being his first move and needs to make a trade, !!
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I have felt like this for 6 months.
AWFUL, I am speechless, is this a sign of things to come WOW!!
2nd rounder for a 2 month rental, :
--- That puts you over your cap
--- Does not bring any value to table
--- Takes the spot of another younger player
--- We start giving away draft picks ( I dont care what the odds how successful or not they may or may not be), let your scouting staff do their work, take away these tools ( picks) what are you left, TO THINK GAUTHIER IS HEAD OF SCOUTING
--- Are we at beginning of recycling in players other dont want?
The teams that are at top of standings at present have built through draft, well managed cap, and making most use of assets ( trading upcoming UFA for draft picks, young prospects....)
NOT be the " also rans" trading picks for 4th line rentals? WOW
what is doing next: trading Plek/Kostit for FROLOV wow....NO NO NO....I live out west, and FROLOV is useless....
WOWOW....speechless!!
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Well, I won't deny that it's an interesting thought, but I don't think it's really feasible. If one or the other gets traded, I suspect we get back a roster player who can provide an impact now.
Agreed, but may become issue of salary cap, and getting a prospect/ first rounder, top 5 potentially...solves that issue, anyone we get back adds to the salary cap problem and diminshes our chance of signing and retaining someone like Plekanec.... a trade with one of the goalies plus a salary dump may prove very useful now and in future...for ONE and or Two BLUECHIP propects that keep the salary lower and if they become an immediate player within 2 years it does free up cap space now and future..
Something to think about, and a point Gainey has to consider in terms of Maximizing current assets, whether it be to maximize returns from one of the Goalies and free up space for a current player to be retained ( Plekanec )
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Eberle? 10 years from now he's going to be known for his exploits in the last two WJC's and not for any NHL stuff. Perimeter player - very small and soft.
Eberle and a FIRST rounder.... I agree to an extent that EBERLE may only turn out to be a 3rd liner in the NHL at best...But Taylor Hall, or A Cam Fowler or one of the Europeans ( a top 5 pick this year) can potentially be the top 6 player....
Anyways this topic is about maximizing returns, and about PRICE and HALAK, how they are helping the team get to the playoffs, one without the other, we would be in trouble!!
Cheers
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The Tandem of Price and Halak will help this team make the playoffs, one without the other will make this team less competitive, Reminds me of the MOOG/FUHR days in Edmonton....Well as Goaltending pairs anyways....
Eventually one has to go,
Speaking of the Oilers,
Wouldnt it be great if one can turn one of these assets ( Price or Halak) for EBERLE and/or a First Round pick for a shot at Taylor Hall, or Cam Fowler, or T.Seguin...!!!
Imagine EBERLE and HALL....could we swing that with PRICE or HALAK and something?
Now that I would like to see happen...
Dump a contract plus one of the Goalies ( not mentioning whom here, ...whomever gets us the assets!!) for an EBERLE and First rounder... as Khaboulin is probably out for the year...Oilers need a young goalie, and being out west and all...
Regardless, As long as PRICE/HALAK keep winning....the better!!
Cheers
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+ Kane is American.
I believe the reference is to Evander Kane from Last years Team Canada
Cheers
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The edit saves it. Thank you for that. It changes the tone of the post from what it came off as" "Price is destined to fail, trade him while we still have Halak"
Now the question is a bit more clear...
Is the team better off trading Price for better assets and going with Halak as their #1?
I think not, for a myriad of reasons. I think the goalie market is shit to begin with, and there isn't much demand for them - even potential franchise players. I also think a player like Price is something to build a team around rather than build from.
Thanks, and Exactly my point, of why are we trading HALAK ( other than some humanitarian favour for HALAK ), any trade we get for HALAK, will not be in the best interest of the CLUB at this point in time, unless Gainey pulls some magic..
Quite simply, HALAK is the insurance policy , atleast for 1 more year until UFA
Why now, wait until after the OLYMPICS, where HALAK is the pencilled in starter for SLOVAKIA...and he brings his worth up ( or down)...
We can guess the future, none of us knows in 5 years from now who will be better, HALAK or PRICE...we are talking about potential here....Halak was a low pick, and thus foreseen as less valuable, and PRICE has pedigree and top pick, thus more on the " no trade" franchise player list...
But at some time one has to look at overall good, and again, as my last statement in bold says....THE TRADE of PRICE, or the NO TRADE of PRICE, may be the best one he ever makes....
This team is handcuffed in anumber of ways for the next 2 years... the right moves, right draftpicks, and right trades...will dictate the future of this club for 10 years....obviously
Lets think overall picture and good of this club that we are all long time loyal fans of!!
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I *am* attacking some - those who attacked HabWest for an original and creative post. Did you ask *those* to tone down their attacks? If there's anything I can't stomach, it's someone being attacked personally for having an opinion. HabWest was seriously put down, in case you missed it...
Thanks jackp.....I am not taking it personally, just repeating the intent of my post to look at the overall picture and another side to all this trade talk of HALAK... As mentioned on post, the loss of trading HALAK is greater than the gain we get back, MOST LIKELY.
The POST itself states the value of PRICE, its implicit in my post....
AND I started the post ( by saying....." .....this will never happen....")
AND ENDED IT :
BUT AS THEY SAY " the HIGHER THE RISK, THE HIGHER the RETURN" you decide, THAUGHTS?
****Question is, RISK in TRADING or KEEPING PRICE? Probably the single most important factor in the success of this franchise for the NEXT DECADE, and people will look back on this....PRICE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRADED while his value was HIGH, or BEST TRADE GAINEY EVER MADE was NOT TRADING PRICE....*****
Interesting how people choose to pick apart what they wish....
YES , I went back and added the sentence about " PRICE being BRODEUR, ROY...etc... to make it obvious....
Lets not jump to conclusions or get defensive,....
Instead of being reactive and jumping on and off the bandwagon....lets be proactive, look at the overall good...And what makes most sense for the club..
If any asset the team has, brings back enormous amount of assets for overall good, I dont care who that is, any asset is dispensible.....
Cheers all. Keep on posting....everyone has their opinion...
" THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX"
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On my reply, I added the analogy....refer my second post, and mentioned I added..
The point of the topic is not PRICE vs HALAK but an offset discussion to trades and values,
More important....I BALANCED it at end in BOLD,
GAINEY's Best trade maybe not Trading PRICE....
Please read the post for its worth, and not bashing Price or Halak...
But simply everyday decisions a GM has to make in improving his team while making calculated risks and forming opionions of future potentials of players and how they realize that potential..
DRAFTING, TRADING....etc....
Lets not get carried away here...
Flyers @ Habs GDT: Game 4
in Habs & Hockey Talk
Posted · Edited by HabsWEST
13 to 1 shots against, tells the story..
Team needs to get back to their skating and movement in the Flyers zone, as the Flyers def. are standing up on the Habs fwd's , they do an excellent job of keeping the slots cleared, and making it easy on their keeper.
Habs without any movement, and going into the " dirty" zones, driving to the net, crashing the net ( look at both goals by the flyers!!)...
20 minutes to either be 2 to 2, or 3 to 1 down....
Cammy needs a goal
Gionta needs a goal
Gomez, where has been his pinpoint passing
Plekanec, !!
we need a momentum changer!!,
6 players only have shots on net....