Neech
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Fine. Upshall is already a second line forward and Parent is getting close to a second pairing defenceman, he's already in the NHL. They're just two safer and higher potential prospects. Armstrong is in the Lapierre mould, that is nothing special - and the major variable is how you value Esposito. In my books, he's a bust, but some GMs will see a potential 1st line centre in him.
No, Ryan Parent is in the AHL, he's played seven games this season with the Flyers. Upshall is 24, it's more likely that he'll be a bottom-liner than a top six guy. Esposito is not yet a bust at the age of 19.
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I might be underrating Christensen, but I think the deal is just OK to meh.
As far as Esposito goes, when is the last time you saw a player not only decline in his second junior season, but then drop 15-20 spots in the draft and not come out with a vengeance to prove everybody wrong?
That screams bust to me. If that does not motivate the kid to work harder what will? The kid has been cut from 3 World Junior camps, dropped from the number 1 ranking
to number 20 and he responds with 55 points in 48 games to barely crack the top 50 in scoring in a league that he put up close to 100 at 17 years old. RED FLAGS abound.
Cherapanov? Anyways, once again, you've already stated your prediction for Esposito, but we'll have to wait several years before anything is proven.
Parent can be a second pairing defenceman and Upshall a second line forward. And then I think there was a 1st and a 2nd involved. I would take either one of those two guys over BOTH Armstrong and Christensen.Yeah, they CAN be that good, and I think you would be all alone in a group of GMs on the subject of your evaluation of either of those guys being better than both of the Pitt players. Plus, there are two 1st rounders involved for Atlanta.
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He isn't even slumping.
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Well 24 months is a long time. If anything he's happy that one of the goalies ahead of him on the depth chart was traded away. He'll get a chance to play a few games this year, maybe more if Price doesn't seize the number one job. He's 22, and not many goalies are in the NHL let alone starting at that age, so he'd have to be irrational and impatient to demand a trade.
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I think it was an OK move. What was the rush to improve the Thrashers by adding 3rd and 4th liners? I mean he gave up a 3rd liner in the deal back.
Adding Esposito is any easy appeasement to the fans and ownership as a name prospect. But the guy nose dived to the bottom half of the first round.
What type of prospect goes from 98 points as a 17 year old to 55 as a a 19 year old? Has any prospect ever regressed their point total yearly from
the age of 17-19 in the same league? Now they add a pick for a GM who other than top 10 picks has been less than impressive.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr001790.html
If that was my move I would have went for the guys with the most upside hoping to hit a home run. Those 4 guys will not save his job, but if one of Lapierre
O'Byrne or Grabovski max out their potential maybe he does. The Thrashers owner is obviously asleep, because in 9 years this guy has had 4 top 2 picks,
6 top 10 picks and has made the playoffs once and turned Danny Heatley into that mass of mediocrity.
Dumb GMs think short term, smart GMs look at the big picture. So he can enjoy his accolades now, but barring Christensen blossoming this is not going to alter the history of the Thrashers one iota!
I'm just judging THIS MOVE. I'm not a Waddell fan. I still hold that it was a better return than Philly got for Forsberg. Upshall and Parent are in roughly the same league as Christensen and Armstrong, except the latter are NHL regulars now. Atlanta was a team that lacked depth, and these guys help that.
Yeah, Esposito's stock fell pretty badly, but that doesn't mean he's done. We can argue about how good he'll be all we want, but we'll find out for real in several years.
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I am not high on Esposito, the first round pick will be very high 20s and he got 2 3rd liners. A nice haul for sure, but hardly the steal some suggest.
The guy gave away a better player than all 4 of them for Alexei Zhitnik last season and has essentially replaced his picks with the ones he gave away for Tkachuk.
So in the last 2 deadlines he has shipped out Hossa, Coburn, a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick and now has Zhitnik, Armstrong, Christienson, Esposito and a 1st?
That is not good General Managing. Atlanta will never win anything with him as the GM.
I'm only talking about this deal, his moves last year were terrible. I'm not defending Waddell as GM here.
I wouldn't say so. Christensen is a boom or bust guy who was playing on Pittsburgh's fourth line. Armstrong seems like a career third liner with little offensive upside. I can understand them wanting Esposito but I have very little faith in that guy ever becoming big.What they wanted from us was almost definitely Ryder, Lapierre, Grabovski and a 1st (or Valentenko/Carle/prospect if Gainey had refused to give up his 1st). I think Gainey was willing to do something like Ryder, Grabovski and a 2nd/prospect, not much more. I can understand them taking their offer over ours but that deal is nothing special. The Forsberg trade brought legitimate prospects in Upshall and Parent. I'd take those any day over guys like Armstrong.
Esposito might look pretty good feeding the puck to Kovalchuk on his wing. Even a late first-rounder in this year's draft should be pretty valuable. Christensen and Armstrong may be third-liners on Pittsburgh, but they're roster players on a good team, and they'll definitely make Atlanta better in the short term. Armstrong is a valuable player, an agitator. Christensen has a lot of upside, although he is regarded as a bum for his inconsistency. At the very least he helps win shootouts.
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Waddell made no friends in Ottawa and Montreal. He made the trade to save his job, not restock his franchise. The players he got were OK and effective at what they do. I do not see the upside for his team..... Considering what he traded to get Hossa....
You don't see the upside for his team? He got two first-rounders, plus two GOOD young roster players. He got a better return than Philly did for Forsberg.
How long must we suffer without an offensive star? I support Bob and his decision was the right one, but losing yet again in our attempt to land a big name is very disheartening. I only hope that we can finish high and go deep in the playoffs and attract some quality players this summer. That's getting a bit ahead of things, but man it sucks to lose this one.We're 3rd in the league in goals for, an offensive star isn't a desperate need for us.
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But.........and this is a big but. I'm not sure where the link is, I'm sure someone on these boards could find it for you, I think KOZED knows. Vinny said in his own words just a few weeks ago " It would be a dream come true to hold the cup up in Montreal" That statement alone keeps me thinking about betting the rent on it.
Um, you really need to let that quote go, it's clearly gotten to your head.
I believe it was actually something more like "winning the Cup in Montreal would be amazing", I don't think there was any reference to his dreams. It seems like an obvious comment that anyone who knew anything about how hockey-mad Montreal is would make when posed the relevant question.
Not saying I don't think he'll come here, I would love to see him in the Montreal uniform as much as the next guy. Actually, I just imagined it, him skating around in the red jersey with a blue helmet, the wildness of the crowd during his first few games, him scoring a breakaway goal in OT and the Bell centre imploding...
There's just not much to show that it's any more likely now than it has been before.
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This was inevitable. The thing is that it was either Huet or Halak, and Halak has way more potential. Huet did really good by us, but he was never consistent over the long haul.
More like it was either Huet or Halak, but Huet is a UFA who's going to cash in.
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Oh well, so much for the rumour thread. We could rename it 'The Dream Thread' where we fantasize about Vinnie.
Actually it could have always been called The Dream Thread.
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What a great guy, I'll still have love for him after he's gone. The biggest testament to his character is what Price said about him, "he was like an older brother to me." Huet acted like this to a young guy who everyone predicted would take his job from him, and who ultimately did.
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Hal Gill is a middle of the pack goalie?
Well then why were the Leafs not giving him a shot between the pipes.
You are comparing Celery and Apples.
We're still giving them an upgrade in the most important position in the game. Huet is close to Vokoun and Lehtonen for the best goalie in the division.
That and one more time, just for Neech, HAL GILL IS UNDER CONTACT NEXT SEASON...Huet is a UFA...BIG DIF!Huet has been an all-star.
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No, I don't particularly mind losing Hossa since the Penguins literally gave up a ransom for him. I've never really agreed with Gainey's quest for a knight in shining armour anyway. I thought the fact that he offered Briere so much in the offseason was just a little unsettling.
But if you read my post I would have at least picked up a centre who can win a faceoff. There were players out there.
I don't like his fixation with impact players because he never succeeds anyway. Why not make a smart and cautious move by picking up a decent veteran?
I think we'll have more success landing an impact free agent in the future. We've shown ourselves to be a good young team with a bright future, and our organization seems to be well run with character people.
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Hey, it's not like I'm enraged. But I don't see this as a sensible gamble. Why (partially) deplete your depth at a key position in the short term for a marginal long-term asset? I can't figure that out.
I don't feel the need to give Bob the 'benefit of the doubt' because I don't see this as a major move. It won't affect us any year accept this one. But making us (at least marginally) weaker this season - that's a bizarre 'gamble' in my books.
This is how I feel about the trade.
But Huet wasn't getting it done, and Price didn't deserve a demotion. Halak deserved a shot. So although this makes our goal-tending weaker on paper, Halak in the place of Huet could be an upgrade, and very likely is compared with Huet's recent play.
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Very eloquent tribute to him.
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Al Taib? (really overrated by drunks)
Dude, forget the other kinds of pizza, get the chicken pizza. Drunk or sober, it's anything but over-rated.
Huet, Price said, was "unbelievable ... he was like an older brother to me.""He's a first-class guy," Price added, "and just a great teammate. I couldn't say a bad thing about that man."
Nice to hear, unfortunately the economics couldn't allow Huet to back him up.
Huet was always a great guy, it seems like his teammates really loved him.
I think you are right. It is usually on a drunken stumble back to the Clarion from Crescent Street. Next time I will check out Al-TaibAh, if you're starting on Crescent street, go one block East to de la Montagne. Just below St. Catherines there's Dany's pizza, it's freakin delicious. Try the spinach pizza, I know that doesn't sound very appetizing, I'm not the biggest fan of spinach myself, but it's great.
But you can't go wrong with the chicken pizza at Al-Taib.
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How could they get more for him?
Well they could have 2 years ago when he was lights out.
Even Hal Gill netted a 5th along with the 2nd. Probably could have gotten another mid-round pick, or mid-level prospect. At least 2009 is supposed to be a good draft year.
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Close to Concordia, I think it is between Guy and Crescent. Might not be Double Double.
Awesome Mexican slice
That's double pizza, probably, just west of Guy. The Mexican slice is the best they have, but it's nothing special compared to what you could have gotten. You should have walked to Guy, gone up the street a bit to Al-Taib and ordered the chicken pizza, it makes me drool just thinking of it.
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I'm VERY happy that we didn't send a package like Pittsburgh did for Hossa. I would have been sad to see Emelin go, let alone Higgins.
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You mean the Campbell-less Sabres?
I mean the Bernier-ful Sabres.
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I don't get it either, my only explanation is that those two companies have a lot of money to blow on advertising and are trying to expand into Quebec. I have tried both of them in Ontario and they are godaweful pizza. Foca Lio on Phillips Square is #1 Pizza in Montreal. Double pizza is way better for delivery than those two lame Ontario chains. I have never seen either one of them in downtown Montreal, maybe they have branches in the suburbs.
Double pizza is meh, nothing special. Really greasy. The big delivery chains in Quebec pretty much all suck to varying degrees. Montreal has great pizza, but at smaller places.
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Good game by the boys, we had a few lulls but came out with a real response in the third. The Plex line was dominant, I'm surprised they didn't pot a few goals, A. Kosty especially was flying. Good to see Higgins get on the scoreboard, he was playing like he meant it, although the goals were the result of other people's good work. He did his best impression of Markov when he set him up, it was great.
You could tell Grabovski really wanted to get some points, but it didn't work out. He was still decent, and actually looked threatening with his speed at times. I was very happy for lil Teets when he scored, the announcers were commenting on how he hadn't taken a shot in 7 periods, and I think he has a great shot, very precise.
A game that we needed to win, and we did it. But after all, it was the Hossa-less Thrashers we beat here, Buffalo on Friday will be a much bigger test.
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I agree with the idea of trading Huet. I just wish we could have gotten more for him.
The best part of this is that Halak will get a chance.
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I cant go to sleep now without knowing whether this is true or not!!!!...
SAVVVVE US JEEBUS....OOPS...I MEAN...HOSSA!!!!!!!
On HFboards they said it was a bogus rumour. Look in the Hossa/Richards got traded according to yahoo thread.
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