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Well, slept on that loss and figured it would help me see clearer rather than react last evening full of emotion. No change! Problem with all of us is that we keep on making the same BS excuses - "only 1 game"; "boys were tired", "blah! blah!" It keeps happening against the teams we are supposed to beat, that's the "only 1 game" problem.
Forget the Koivu call, the Kovalev gift for the 2nd goal was even worse and doesn't seem like anyone is pissed at him!? This is a veteran who made a bone-head play. In fact, Kovalev's whole game changed after the "incident". He didn't carry the puck as much anymore (yeah, watch the pre and post incident, you'll see I'm right).
The real problem that we keeping burying our heads in the sand about, is that we still cannot beat the teams we need to beat to get to that next level. Yesterday was embarassing, a MUST win for a show-down with the Sens, and we P'd our pants. Did you hear CBC? All of a sudden the Habs are a bona fide play-off team, great speed, yak, yak. Unfortunately, they don't see every game like most of us do. Come on! Up 3-0 and you blow it? That's what good teams do? BS! We just aren't good enough to play tough, physically or especially mentally, and yesterday I'm afraid, was both. Yeah, yeah, we can beat 85% of the teams in this league, so what? What do think is going to happen in the playoffs? Other teams are going to elevate their games, that's what! Until, we show we have the spherical fortitude to go against the NYR's, Ottawas, Detroits, etc., that POP you hear will be in Round 1 or 2 of the playoffs. Let's stop behaving like all those pathetic Mother's who can't see past their love for their children and think they have no faults. Tough love, GD it! These Habs are good, someone needs to get them to believe it too, so they have more of an attitude out there! Carbo? Carbo? That's you're job isn't it?
GO HABS GO!!!
Wow, maybe you should sleep on it another few nights. This is what, our fourth or fifth loss in 2008? We've been playing very well of late, but of course you jump on a single loss as the big indicator. We HAVE been beating the teams that we should beat, go back and review the schedule. It's funny how you say 'it keeps happening', do you say that after all of our wins as well? And by the way, this team didn't make the playoffs last year in case you forgot. So that's the main goal this year. You hypocritically say that we are 'not good enough to play tough, physically or mentally' and yet you seem to have lofty expectations of first place and the conference finals. Do you call out Carbo after all the wins as well? Seriously, get a grip.
I agree. I think RJP is panicking a little too much. True that the boys choked yesterday. It was horrible watching them lose, especially after they had a 3 goal lead, but shit happens! It was their 4th game in 6 days, 2nd game in 2 days.Nobody in particular was to blame for yesterdays loss. It was a collective "shut-down" from all the players. After the Rangers scored those 2 quick goals, the Habs stopped skating, stopped fore-checking, stopped hitting, the passing was way off etc.etc.etc. If anything could go wrong, it did.
After this week we will really know how tough the boys are. If they can come out of this week with 5 point out of a possible 6, i'd say they recoverd pretty well, and we will have been right not to panic after yesterday's loss. Let's not forget, the Habs have lost back to back games in REGULATION only ONCE this season. If you ask me, that says alot about this teams' character!
I agree that this week is a big test, but we've been saying the little line 'this is where we find out what we're really made of' for a while now. Every game is a test, and so far I've been pleased overall with how the Habs have responded. Winning this week would be awesome, but losing wouldn't be the end of the world.
And I agree that the team overall is to blame for the loss, and the level of our play did drop significantly from the second period on, but it still wasn't all that bad. We were beaten, but it wasn't domination or a complete spanking. We had chances to get back in it, but Lundqvist was there when he was needed, Huet not so much (although he was decent).
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I wasn't.
Andre Savard would have kept on drafting Alex Perezhogin type of players...
I like to see the Price (no idea who AS wanted, but he was CLEARLY displeased with that pick), Chippy (another NON-AS pick, although he was in charge of the head scouting, it was BG pick), McDonagh, etc...
I like to see us drafting big character players instead of enigmatic quick russian... (we already have our fare share of these and I love them... but I don't want the Canadiens to turn into the Russians... ya know
)Yeah, but now we're turning into the Americans.
) (not that there's anything wrong with that)I'd like to see a couple more Quebecois around here. But winning's the top thing of course.
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Geez you should take Ativan or vallium once in a while. you're taking this stuff way too personally.
while he does put decent number on PP, koivu has slowed down tremendously and is less effective 5 on 5. obviously every players career comes to an end and Koivu at 33, isn't a spring chicken anymore. its happened too all the best players in the game. some of them changed to be defensive minded players and lasted longer, like yzerman...I can see koivu doing this.
whether we like it or not, koivu is at the twillight of his career.
The thing is is that I can't see Koivu becoming a defensive-minded player. He's already one of our poorer players in our own zone.
I agree Koivu doesn't have that many more years left in the tank, but maybe he could have another season like last year's next year. Or maybe this is truly the beginning of the decline and he'll descend into mediocrity, who knows. We have him for one more year after this one, so we'll most likely find out, and that'll probably be it for him in Montreal after that (unless he resigns for little money to stay with us). Or maybe if our organization thinks that his level of play is going downhill then they'll try to trade him in the offseason to a contender.
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Anyone know if the Kovalev elbow will be reviewed?
Tsn reports O'byrne got his cast off. Can't wait to get that Steam roller back. He was playing well despite his inexperience and will be valuable down the last stretch.
Yeah, glad to hear it about O'byrne. He was really playing well at the time, but I'm not sure how long it will take him to readjust and get back into the rhythm of playing in the NHL. He may be done for this season with the Habs.
And about the Kovalev hit, I never even say a replay that conclusively showed an elbow, not that there isn't one. But I guess it's safe to assume it must have been his elbow judging by Hollweg's reaction.
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Like I said, take a look at Ottawa's 2000-2001 roster and tell me that they are not comparable to Montreal's emerging talent right now.
Was that team a Cup contender? Did that team start Lalime 60 games? Did that team manage 100 points? in 2001 was that Ottawa team a contender for 10 years?
The comparison is not a stretch. You are entitled to disagree, I stand by it.
Yeah, they're comparable and that comparison isn't a stretch (although you could make a worthy comparison with many other teams which would illustrate a different point). What I said is that you stretched his meaning, by saying that such a Cup contender wouldn't miss the playoffs because of average goaltending, while what I took it to mean was that this team could contend for the Cup with good goaltending, but it also could miss the playoffs with a question mark in goal.
But anyways, I hope your comparison is apt and that we do in fact have a young team comparable to the Sens of that era (and it looks like it could be), but that Price turns out to be the next Brodeur as well.
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Latendresse has raw talent, but I still think he needs at least 2 seasons to kick it into gear. Power forwards are notoriously hard to develop, and there's a lot of areas where he needs work. Still, he has a pretty good nose for the net for a third liner, which is why he's with the team, but I'd like to see him play a more physical game, and quite obviously skating is something he will work on.
I agree that he has a ways to go, but he still has 14 goals this year with a hell of a lot of missed chances. I'd say in 2-3 years will when he'll truly become whatever player he's supposed to be (maybe a 30-40 goal a year guy), but next year we can expect some more improvement from him.
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That would have to be the biggest steal in the history of the NHL!!!
Waddell would have to be a world class douchebag to pull the trigger on this deal!!
Alright, we'll throw in Locke and a 4th rounder.
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I am just pointing out that TSN is not non partial and nothing surprises me in their coverage.
They call their panel "experts". Mike Milbury? Glen Healey? Tie Domi? experts?
Crosby needs to play hockey and stop believing his own hype. He is a great player, but right now I would rather have Ovechkin.
That could change in a year, 2 or 3. But right now I would take the Great 8.
I'll agree with that. TSN's goal seems to be to find the stupidest people with the most questionable track records to be the 'experts' and tell us ignorant folk all about the game.
By "hockey player" I mean what a hockey player is meant to be. An old-school hockey player like Richard and Howe used to be. Guys who don't need enforcers to look after them and guys who can take a hit, get up and then take another one with no whining involved.Obviously, Crosby has a lot of talent, but he does not have that ideal hockey-player tough-guy attitude that used to be a pre-requisite for all aspiring NHL players. I love small guys who challenge bigger players, but it seems that nowadays, being a competitor and playing with guts is no longer necessary to be a top hockey player.
Crosby is strong on the puck and isn't scared to take a hit, but the way he whines and dives is embarassing IMO. Ovechkin is an inspiration. And to think, at one point in time, every player in the league worked like him. At one point in time, every player in the league truly was a hockey player.
Egh, I don't know, that sounds like a case of 'in the good ole days.' Yeah, back then hockey players weren't multimillionaire superstars, but they were also in worse shape, less dedicated to the game year-round, slower, and less skilled. Plus, I'm sure that there were plenty of lazy farts in the league back then, but we only remember the great players. From what I see NHL players give close to 100% almost all of the time, probably the highest in pro sports besides football maybe, where everyone is going balls to the wall each play.
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Ryder and Dandy for Hossa!!!!
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Ryder has stunk this year plain and simple, you have to attribute some of Koivu and Higgins' poor play to having a dead-weight playing alongside them for a good chunk of the games. Even last year in a 30 goal season he often had very poor performances and has shown he is pretty useless besides the odd goal that he pots. He'll be overpriced to bring back as a UFA and not worth the gamble of having another year like this one. We have better players within the system to take his place (bring Chipchura back up and put Lats back with Koivu for instance), or we could look for a replacement via trade or free agency. I don't think Ryder figures in our long-term plans, he's not worth the cap space.
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That's good news, the Sens have had great scouting for a while judging by the players they developed within the system.
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Neech why dont you go ahead and actually name which goalies you are talking aboot. Obviously they must be different from all the goalies I have talked about and listed stats for which are typical to Huets.
With comments like that and with the writers strike you might be able to get Lettermans spot with lines like that. Your too much. Please, stop, owe my stitches.
No, I will not owe you stitches, get your own.
Ok, here are the goalies that YOU mentioned in that initial post:
Brodeur - no comparison with Huet, obviously
Luongo - not much playoff success (although more than Huet), but also clearly in another league
Khabibulin - has started many seasons, has won a Cup
Dipietro - has started complete seasons and is currently better than Huet
Vokoun - has started complete seasons, around Huet's level (I'd say V. is better)
Kipprusof - has started complete seasons and has playoff success
Giguere - has started complete seasons and has won a Cup
Lundqvist - has started a complete season and more than Huet overall, has more playoff experience along with winning an Olympic Gold, is around Huet's level but I and most others would rate him better
See how ALL of them have more experience than Huet, most of them both in starting complete seasons and in playoff experience.
I guess you think that all the local rinks in France are buzzing with NHL scouts Eh. Its not just aboot talent its aboot having somebody notice you. Playing hockey in France wouldnt grant you any attention at all and even playing in Suis still wouldnt get you much and that is right now. It starting to change now but 14 years ago when Huet was 18 practically nobody watched anything going on in Suis let alone France. Its no wonder Huet wasnt found till he was 25.Germany isn't a hotbed of hockey, but Kolzig managed to get drafted young. Great talents manage to get noticed wherever they are. I'm not saying Huet isn't talented, he may just be a late-bloomer, but the fact that he was drafted late doesn't work to his defense here, at best it is irrelevant.
Huet is no good though because he cant finish a season though. Dont forget some of Huets early seasons he didnt get to play in lots of games because he wasnt actually the starter. Also Huet only took 2 years to go from being drafted to playing regularly in the NHL. The other goalies I mentioned 1 took 2 years, 1 took 3 years and the rest took 4+. But I guess thats just more proof Huet isnt in their league.Dude, listen to your defenses of him. "He didn't get to play because he wasn't the starter." Scott Clemmensen is nodding in agreement; the fact of the matter is that if he was good enough to be the starter then he would have started. He also would have made the leap to the NHL quicker if he was good enough. He would have been drafted sooner if he was good enough. Seriously, you have yet to prove why these facts work to his defense at ALL. We rate Huet's worth based on what he has DONE, not on which breaks he did or did not have.
That was directed at Cucumber who stated that he felt that they could possibly Cup contenders next season. It was directed at him to prove that good teams can be succesful with bad goaltending, Ottawa and Detroit are both good examplesfrom their early years. Detroit had early failures in the playoffs as a direct result from weak goaltending, as did the Senators, but it did not stop them from putting up 100 point seasons.
Cucumber is fearful of an inexperienced Price being a weak link on a team that could contend for the Cup and cost them a playoff spot.
If you are not going to look at what I posted in the context of our conversation than you can pick apart at will.
No, I don't think I'm reading out of context here. He said they could conceivably contend for the Cup, and implied that they wouldn't be able to with a question mark in goal (i.e. Price), and this might even keep them out of the playoffs. You stretched his meaning, in my opinion, by saying that a Cup contender won't miss the playoffs because of mediocre goaltending. I think he meant that this team could contend with good goaltending, but questionable goaltending could keep them from even making the playoffs. More like Calgary or maybe Colorado this year than Ottawa or Detroit. I think he used those teams more as examples of bad goaltending keeping back a good team than really comparing our team to theirs.
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O.K that's all fine. I just hate the fact that everyone ignores the good he is doing. Which he is, but one blunder, bad penalty, or he wipes out you don't have to blast 20 posts in a row and then 20 more with FULL SIZE COLORED FONTS saying he sucks. It's annoying. But whatever, do what makes you feel good. You will be the one wanting his babies when he brings the cup to Montreal.
Whatever, I don't want to argue with you. it just bugs me. Sorry.
Your signature is annoying.
I agree. I have been on Koivu's back a lot this season, but KoZed is going over the top. My guess is he's a guy who has a scapegoat each year that he wants run out of town.
We don't need to trade our captain, we're 4th in the conference.
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I swear if you keep this up you will be showcased on Just for Laughs.
You must be easily amused. Are you also fascinated by balls of yarn?
No, I didnt ignore your playoff success comment of "Every single goalie that you named is much more proven than Huet, they have either had several successful seasons starting the whole way through (which Huet has never done), or had playoff success (which Huet has never done)."The majority of goalies we are discussing never started an entire season in their 1st 4 years in the NHL but because Huet hasnt apparently its a huge issue.
The majority of the goalies you say are way better and "proven" have never won a playoff series either, and they have had significant more years in the NHL than Huet.But ALL of the goalies mentioned have done at least one of the two (I'll get to your little issue of years in the NHL). And it's really not all on the goalie if the team makes it to the playoffs, Luongo's way out of Huet's league but has only won one playoff series because of the teams he's been on.
Ironically you accuse me of forgetting his age when it is really you that is forgetting his age, and its not just you either. People seem to forget that almost all the goalies that are claimed to be more proven than Huet were all drafted in their teens when Huet was actually 25. So basically the other goalies have a 7 year head start on Huet to pad their stats against his. Dont you think this might have something to do with some of the other goalies being around longer and having slightly better NHL career stats?
How did I forget his age? I said he was 32, was I forgetful? And it is irrelevant that Huet was drafted so late, except to show that he is not as talented as other goalies (or simply a late-bloomer). And these goalies ARE more proven than Huet whether or not it's his fault that he came into the league so late. Having years in the NHL under your belt = proven, period. Basically your whole point here is irrelevant; it doesn't matter that these other guys got a 'head start,' what matters is that they all have more NHL experience than him. And they're younger.
Everything aboot Huet is comparable to the other goalies stats except for his age and I've just explained the reason for that. Huet is even at par with most goalies we are discussing in terms of All-Star game appearances when compared with years played in NHL. But no doubt that is also wrong.
No, the other goalies stats are not comparable to Huet's. They have had playoff success and full years of starting, he has not.
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Yeah, this looks like it is a plan to get Price to play vs Toronto. Maybe against the Sens too.
Halak really should have been given a start today, I feel bad for him getting the call up just to ride the pine. He's just a pawn in our future plans for Price.
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I disagree. Let it out man, it's therapeutic
I'm with Saks Avenue on this one. Koivu wasn't that bad today, and he's been good recently. He's hardly the primary target for blame for this loss (not that there really is one, it was a combination of bad plays).
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Detroit was not at the top of their conference for a decade in the 90s when they sent out Chevaldae to do the job, nor were they a powerhouse when they sent Osgood out to do the job in 94, They were just ascending actually. When they began to dominate they won Cups in spite of Osgood, jesus one year they won the Cup when he let in 3 goals from centre ice in one playoff year. As for Ottawa, they began their ascent with Ron Tugnutt in 98 and settled on Lalime through the early 2000s. So the comparison is adequate to those teams as they were on the rise.
Take a look at the 1999-2001 Senators and tell me the comparison is not adequate.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues...0000542000.html
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues...0000542001.html
Those teams won 41 and 48 games with Patrick Lalime as their starter.
I could list a lot of teams who had 100 point regular seasons with average to bad starting goalies.
St. Louis - with Johnson and Turek
Philadelphia - with Boucher and Cechmaek
Boston - Raycroft, Dafoe and John Graham
Vancouver - Dan Cloutier
You can nitpick all you want, but you missed the point. Good teams can survive with average goaltending. Cucumber is worried that elevating Price could cost them a playoff spot, but at the same time is contemplating a Stanley Cup run in the same season. I am pointing out that success has been accomplished before with average goaltending. Other than Osgood in Detroit, it will cost you in the playoffs. But if the Habs are a Cup contender they will not miss the playoffs because of Carey Price.
Well you're getting ahead of yourself saying 'if the Habs are a Cup contender,' which next year they certainly are not UNLESS they get stellar goaltending. MAYBE we could survive with average goaltending, I guess we're doing it now, but we certainly won't get 100 points with average goaltending and we won't go anywhere in the playoffs with it either. That's where your comparison with Ottawa and Detroit fails, those teams were good enough to overcome it and get postseason results, whereas we aren't. Not this season, not the next.
Hahaha, again your funny.DiPietro - 20, 10, 50, 62
Vokoun - 1, 37, 33 , 37,
Luongo - 24, 47, 58, 65,
These are the #'s of games they played in the 1st 4 year in the NHL. Basically on par with Huets 12, 41, 36, 42.
5, 20, 28, 58, 41 for Hasek.
In fact in 15 season Hasek has played over 70 games once (72), 60+ only 4 times, 50+ 3 times.
I definitely fail to see any correlation between Elite goaltenders and low amount of games played in the regular season with an inability to win the Cup.
No, good Sir, it is you who is funny.
For starters, you ignored my comment on the playoff success of the aforementioned goalies. But the main problem with your little comparison of the first four seasons of these players is that you forget that Huet is 32 at the end of his first four seasons and has yet to accomplish either durable starting or postseason success. It's one thing not to play many games when you're up and coming in your 20s, but Huet's next contract may very well be his last. Not to mention the fact that these goalies are all better than Huet. Honestly, Huet had that one half-season of excellence and since has been an average to good goalie, around 10th to 15th in the league.
And when Huet is anywhere near as good as Hasek was throughout his career, then you can say that his lack of durability is forgivable.
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They wore us out, that's why. Our second game in two days and both of them were very physical. After the momentum tarted to change, we didn't have the energy necessary to hold them off. By the third period we were done.
But there were still some positives from that game. For one thing, I love watching Kovalev police himself even if it was a dirty play. I also love watching Koivu and Gorges assault Hollweg after he pushes Sergei head-first into the boards. These violent games are the ones that build character and you can bet our team is getting even closer and closer. I think this will be the time that the message finally sinks in that they cannot drop 3-0 leads midway through the game.
I give Gorges credit, he was our best player tonight.
i wouldn't go so far as to say Gorges was our best player tonight, because he made a few cafouillages in our zone in an otherwise solid performance. But I was really impressed with the way he stood up for lil Kosty and then Koivu, he's a good team guy.
If I had to choose our best player tonight I'd probably say Markov.
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Oh well, we lost, maybe this will take the people on this board down a notch from their crack-induced fantasies about how far this team has come (yep, I love throwing around the crack references). It sucked to blow a lead like that, but we weren't dominated or anything. The tide of the game turned, but we were still in it and it just took a few mistakes to sink our ship. Lundqvist made 3 or 4 game-saving stops, Huet made none. We had some golden opportunities that if we could have buried we would have won.
Plekanec had a good game, Kovalev was a off today. I don't see why Carbo split them up and put Kovy with Koivu, as both were not going that great. Koivu wasn't good, but he wasn't bad either, just kind of ordinary. He got stuff happening in the offensive zone, but in our end he is kind of a liability. Higgins was decent. The Quebecois line was strong tonight, Lapierre and Latendresse make a good combo for controlling the puck on the boards.
Huet was ordinary, let in a softie, and didn't step up to help us. Our defense wasn't anything special, although Markov had a pretty good game.
It's only one game, and I like how this team has responded after a poor performance. Let's see how they fare this week, it'll be tough with the divisional games.
The highlight was lil Kosty's shootout goal, that was awesome. You could tell he was really happy but trying not to show it too much, and the team was really happy for him. But then he passed up a wide open shot in the slot on a breakaway, he still needs to grow a bit more confidence in his shot.
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The feeling is mutual, their are many great posters on this board and you two are definitely among them.
I understand where you are coming from CC, but I will not deviate from what I see as the long term plan (not that it matters to BG).
I am excited about this hockey team right now, but also understand that 2 months ago you would never have uttered the words Stanley Cup in 2009.
So if this team is a Stanley Cup contender next season you really believe the markdown (which I am not convinced will be) from Huet to Price
will cost this team a playoff spot? You are talking a long drop. Look what Ottawa has achieved for years with a carousel of bad goaltending,
look at what the Red Wings used to accomplish with Chris Osgood, Philly with Cechmanek etc etc.
If this team is going to drop from 1st to 9th because of Carey Price, I hate to break it to you, but they were not going to win the Cup.
Whoa, you are getting ahead of yourself bringing out the Ottawa and Detroit comparisons. We're nowhere near where they have been, being near the top of their conference for a decade or more. This team will not be a Stanley Cup contender without stellar goaltending, but I agree with you that that is most likely going to come from Price.
umm, no I didnt.Your amusing.
According to ZoZed's ranking Huet is at par with these goalies.
btw Turco makes 5.5, 5.5, 5.7. Dal has been a contending team for a long time, but they never seem to do great in the playoffs so even Turco isnt really proven. Vokoun isnt, he's never come close to winning a playoffs series and neither has DiPietro and look at their contracts. Lundqvist is not even UFA eligable yet and look what he's getting, after his current contract is up he will be in the 6 mil ballpark. Luongo is in no way proven, in 7 seasons he's only seen the playoffs once and the series ending goal was almost identical to Stillmans goal on Huet. If you really want to argue even Kipper isnt bonifide, the Flames havent won a playoff series since their Cup run.
The only thing proven about Huet in the playoffs is that when an opponent shoves Huets head inbetween their legs and then jams their stick through Huets 5 hole he cant make a save. :puke:
Sorry, I didn't mean to question the infallible KoZed.
I disagree with his rankings, Huet would be in the third group of goalies. Every single goalie that you named is much more proven than Huet, they have either had several successful seasons starting the whole way through (which Huet has never done), or had playoff success (which Huet has never done). If Huet was on another team you'd classify him something like Leclaire or Backstrom, but it's hard to look past the home-town bias.
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Let's see if we can break the pattern against this team. I'd also like to see Halak get a start.
My prediction:
3-2 win
Goals: Smolinski, Higgins, Markov
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I'd say Valentenko has a shot at playing a bit in the NHL next year if we get hit with injuries, but it's only the year after that he'd be seriously considered for a roster spot.
Carle I guess would go in the same category as Valentenko, although for some reason I see Valentenko as having more of an upside.
D'Agostini, I dunno if he'll ever be an impact guy in the NHL, but who knows.
Emelin sounds like he has raw potential, but we don't even know if he'll come over at all, and afterwords he'd need a few developmental years.
And so the list goes on. We really can't rate any of these guys in our core at this point, they're nowhere near their projected potential, which they may never reach. Maybe in a couple of years we'll be able to look at some of them as our 'future core.'
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Houde is good Pednault is horrible. Point finale!
I don't care how much better and more positive they seem, Pednault will forever annoy me with his ridiculous comments about players making the "wrong choice" on any given play, as though he were capable of anything at the speed of the NHL and forgetting completely that he has the luxury of replay.
RDS's other minor annoyances I can live with, but Pednault is the single worst element of the entire network, and that's even counting Renaud Lavoie's make-up:)
And please, Habs fans at NHL games, please stop with the Pierre et Yvon posters, if you keep that up they'll never ditch Pednault...no offense to Pierre Houde.
And lastly I would like to see more out of town action and scores. But je remercie le bon Dieu pour RDS, as a franco in Saskatchewan!
Yeah, Pednault can be pretty dumb, and between the two of them they have some strange mannerisms of speech that you don't hear very often. But sometimes they can be funny when they start to laugh for no reason at all.
And I agree about the posters with their names, but it's just a cheap way of getting on TV and everyone knows it. I'm sure it strokes their ego nicely.
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Well ya. Bob typically tends to over sign players for aboot $500-750K more than they are worth per year. Thats why I say Huet will get 6 mil/yr. No clue why some people are he-ing and ha-ing aboot it. After all Broduer gets 5.25mil/yr. Sure Huet is no Broduer, but who is, not to mention that Broduer is grossly under paid so NJ can be competitive. It was more important to Broduer to make less so his team could remain competitive.
Dont forget that Luongo and Kabibulin get 6.75 mil/yr, DiPietro gets 4.5 mil/yr till he's like 60. Vokoun averages aboot 5.5/yr, Kipper is getting 8mil/yr and he wasnt even a UFA landing on a new team. Lundqvuist gets 4.25 and he is still a RFA. Last years cup winner Giguere gets 5.5, 5.5, 6, 7 mil in his contract. Huet at 6 mil a yr isnt completely unreasonable.
You just mentioned a bunch of goalies who are better than Huet and make 5-7 million a year, so I don't see how that makes a case for him earning that salary, if anything it shows why he should get less than that.
I hope Bob Gainey is working to sign Huet
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This is a very one-sided argument; I keep making points, you keep on saying the same thing.
ONLY has four 60 game seasons? Can you guess how many more 60 game seasons that is more than Huet has?
Alright, it's not worth pointing out all of them. Here is the point (and I hope you manage to respond to it directly): there is a difference between a 27-year-old rookie and a 19-year-old rookie. You can't compare their first four seasons. The 27-year-old is playing out those years IN HIS PRIME, while the rookie is still young and presumably learning. So that is why Huet's first four seasons are not at all comparable to Brodeur's, Roy's, Luongo's or even Price's. The young guy still has a ways to improve, but if Huet hasn't hit his ceiling at 32 then it's unlikely he'll get there. Kapiche?
Oh but they do, you just have to do away with your little four seasons idea.
So you have a fat ass?
Alright then, my mistake, but you just managed to make it your soapbox and avoid the point. Let's take Uwe Krupp as our example then, he played his junior hockey in Germany and yet somehow was drafted at the age of 20. What snide retort do you have now, hhrrrmmmm?
Alright, I just scrolled down and saw that Wamsley made these points already and you have all but capitulated, so I'll leave it at that.