Peter Puck
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Originally posted by ap79
Yeah, but they're career hockey players. Completely different context than the rest of us normal folks. They've had to deal with competition, cuts & movements for (basically) all their lives. Just think of Sidney Crosby. Just 17 yrs old and getting mediatic attention like crazy. You think "OMG, he's just 17!" but then you step back and realize its been like this for him ever since he's like 7 yrs old.
Not saying Milroy & Urqhart & etc dont get dissapointed when sent down, but I think they can (or at least should) be able to handle it with relative ease.
[Edited on 20-9-2005 by ap79]
I am not worried about Milroy yet. He had very little playing time 2 years ago in Hamilton. Realistically he knew he had no chance to make the Canadiens this year. As a RW, he is competing with Kovalev, Ryder, Sunstrom, Koistitsyn, Latendresse and Perezhogin and Ferland. At least he doesn't need to worry about Ward any more
I think the above competition may explain why Locke is still in camp but Milroy is gone.
I don't think Milroy will be very disappointed to have been cut although maybe he would have liked to stick at camp a little longer.
Milroy has a great wrist shot and competes hard. I expect he will have a very good year in Hamilton this year. I think he will eventually make the NHL as a 3rd line player.
[Edited on 2005/9/20 by Peter Puck]
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I think #40 is Maxim Lapierre. Here is a scan of the roster from camp.
http://www.habsworld.net/isource/albums/pi...camp_roster.jpg
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When Brisebois left we lost the last player remaining from the 93 cup win. So now we have no one on the team who has won a cup with the Habs. When was the last time Montreal started the season without any players on the roster having already played on a habs cup winning team?
I wonder which other team has the second longest streak of this sort?
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Originally posted by shortcat1
As to the 23 (or 25) man dream team idea, you are right again. That would certainly lead to some good discussions. I bet it's worth starting a thread on that topic. You thought of it, it's yours to start.
[Edited on 2005/9/11 by shortcat1]
Actually there was a thread with the topic "Greatest Roster of all Time" less than a month ago. It was started by kaos and here is what he had to say (I can't find much to dispute about koas' points):
Originally posted by kaosI found myself very bored over the last few days with most of the good free agents signed, and waiting for the signings of Koivu, Theodore & Ryder and found myself thinking about the greatest Montreal Canadiens ever. So I thought I'd put together what I thought would be the greatest Montreal Canadiens Roster ever.
I found it difficult to narrow it down and actually could have come up with 2 or even 3 teams, if I included guys who only played 1, 2 or even jsut 3 seasons.
I checked through past posts and nobody has seem to have done this.
Feel free to add comments, hopefully adding a team of your own.
1st Line D Moore - J Beliveau - M Richard
Maybe the only way to make this line better would be to make Guy Lafleur shoot left. Size, Speed, Determination and Leadership.
Jean Beliveau - really no need for explanation but - Quint Essential Big Centerman...theres a reason hes called "Le Gros Bill" . Perhaps top 3 all time center with Gretzky and Lemieux?
Maurice Richard - no need of explanation much like Beliveau. From the blue line in hes the best there was.
Left Wing - maybe a bit of a suprise, but he won 2 Art Ross trophies and beat Howes record at the time of 96 points. Strong 2 way player.
2nd Line Y. Cournoyer - H Morenz - G Lafleur
Morenz - fastest and most talented player of his era
Lafleur - a no brainer
Yvan Cournoyer - only other habs?? who could possibly keep up with Morenz and Lafleur
Wow, the speed and skill would be amazing. Kinda a smallish line, but incredibly talented.
3rd Line S Shutt - P Mahovlich - B Geoffrion
P Mahovlich is a very underated player, with great size and hands. Guy had 150 assists in two years in the 70's. Would feed Geoffrion's cannon, and if the goalie happened to stop it, Shutt would continue making a career of picking up the garbage. 50 & 60 goal scorers on the 3rd line? INCREDIBLE.
4th Line B Gainey - Guy Carbonneau - H. Richard
This is the defensive line.
Guy Carbonneau - 3 Selke Trophies , 2 Stanly Cups 5 time 20 goal scorer...name a better defensive player...never mind, I will...........
Bob Gainey, better than Carbonneau defensively. THis guy makes my team simply because the Russians said he was the best player they have ever seen...now thats saying something. Atleast 5 Stanley Cups, 1 COnn Smyth and 4 Selke's
Henri Richard - 11 Stanley Cups....can play on my team any day.
Defensmen
Doug Harvey - BEst defensman of his era. Was Bobby Orr before Bobby Orr. 6 time Norris Trophy winner.
Larry Robinson - Big Strong and talented. 7 time Stanley cup winner
Serge Savard - 2nd of the big three from the 1970's
Won 6 or soStanley Cups, first defensman to ever win the Conn Smythe, and a great leader
Guy Lapointe - 3rd of the big 3 70's guys. Had a mean streak to go with his Offensive and Defensive abilities. Recored 3 20+ goal seasons.
Sylvio Mantha - one of the best two way defensman of his era and 3 time Stanley CUp winner.
Chris Chelios - might get booed for this one, but this guy is a true warrior, won a Stanley Cup, and Norris Trophy while with the Habs, and is a surefire hall of famer. Was my favorite Habs growing up, and have always worn 24 because of him.
My seventh defensman would be Jean Guy Talbot.
Goalies
Wow...this was the hardest choice. I don't think you could have gone wrong with any of Georges Vezina, Georges Hainsworth, Jaques Plante, Lorne Worsley, Ken Dryden, or Patrick Roy.
I went with Patrick Roy because I grew up with him, and Jaques Plante. Ken Dryden was awesome, but gave up hockey for Lawyering, was the Leafs president and now is an MP which makes me sick so I ommited him.
You couldn't go wrong wiht George Vezina, afterall they name the best goalie trophy after him and hey Georges Hainsworth once had 22 shutouts in a season surrendering 43 goals in 44 games..WOW.
But I'll stick with Roy and Plante.
OH and for a goon I'll take John Ferguson
I really wanted to add Elmer Lach but couldn't fit him in at center. Bummer.... Heres some other that I thought about but didn't fit in for whatever reason.
Bert Olmstead, Elmer Lach, Newsy Lalonde, Aurele Joliat, Emile Bouchard, Rod Langway, Mats Naslund, Claude Lemieux, Stephane Richer, Jaques Lemaire, Jaques Lapierre, Toe Blake, Vincent Damphouse, Mark Recchi, Frank Mahovlich, Bobby Smith, Rick Green, Craig Ludwig, Brian Skrudland, Eric Dejardins
Wow, what a complete waste of an hour....I gotta find something better to do with myself
So can you come up with a team?
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Originally posted by beckham
I think the Leafs got Czerkawski for aroung $1 mil on a 1 year deal. Mariusz outscored Kovalev last season.
Actually the Leafs are only paying him $500,000 for 1 year. This is about what he is worth. We don't want him back even at that price. We're much better off using whichever of our prospects show the best progress.
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Actually what I really like about the changes Gainey has made is that he has kept *exactly* the valuable assets we had when he came on board. With the exception of Garon, and possibly Ward I don't think any of the other players who are gone would fit with the current team. Everyone he has kept is an important cog in the surrent team (except Sundstrum?) and none are significantly overpaid except Rivet. Bonk may end up not being worth Garon, but on the other hand he might. I trust Gainey, although not even he knows this for sure. Really, it is amazing what Gainey has accomplished in 2 years.
I think Koivu is a top quality player well worth what we are playing him. The success of the Kovalev-Koivu-Zednik line against Boston shows what they are capable of. Without Koivu we would have to use Ribero as our first line centre and he doesn't seem to mesh well with Zednik. Thus we would probably have to move up another winger and I think it very likely the new first line would be significantly weaker than K-K-Z. Without Koivu, Kovalev (and the 4.5 million we spent on him) is much less valuable.
We only signed Koivu for 1 year at 3.42 million. I think he is a bargain and that he will resign for more next year. Also you (Winterlion) say it would be better to use this money on younger prospects. But we don't have a shortage of younger prospects and so don't really need more money for that.
The question of Dandenault is less clear. There does not appear to be a lot of room for him but I think he will end up as our 3rd or 4th Dman. I agree 100% with simonus that Dandenault will be a valuable asset.
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Under the new CBA there is no more waiver draft.
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I was watching a replay of the Habs vistory (5-2) over the Bruins in game 1 of the first round of the 2002 playoffs on the nhl network yesterday and was struck by how much the team has changed (and improved) since then.
Here is the Habs roster from the last game of the 2002-2003 season
an 8-2 loss to Carolina in the 2nd round of the playoffs (sorry to remind everyone of that horrible game). I have marked the players still with the team with a *.
Habs Roster May 12, 2002
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Audette
Berezin
Brisebois
Bulis *
Dackell
Dykhuis
Fiset
Gilmour
Juneau
Kilger
Koivu *
Lindsay
Markov *
Odjick
Perreault
Petrov
Quintal
Rivet *
Souray *
Theodore *
Bob Gainey became GM on June 3, 2003. Here is the Habs roster in their final game before Gainey became GM (a 5-4 win over the Rangers).
Habs Roster Saturday April 5, 2003
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Audette
Bouillon *
Brisebois
Bulis *
Dackell
Dwyer
Garon
Hossa *
Koivu *
Komisarek *
McKay
Perreault
Quintal
Ribeiro *
Rivet *
Sundstrom *
Theodore *
Traverse
Ward
Zednik *
When I look at these rosters I get very excited about our team this year and for the next few years. I think every one of the changes is an upgrade except for the loss of Garon. :ghg:
[Edited on 2005/9/7 by Peter Puck]
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Originally posted by Komisarek the Cruncher
Trizzak is accurate. The contracts are averaged out over the years of the contract.
Therefore, 16 M$ over 3 years gives 5.33 M$/year, which is the amount that counts for the cap, eventhough the Habs will only pay him 4.5 M$ this year.
This is to prevent from boosting a club in one year. For example, signing a good player for 2 years, paying him 2 M$ the 1st year and 8 M$ the 2nd year.
Does anyone know how this works with respect to trades? For example, with Theodore he will cost us $5.33 million against the cap for each of the next 3 years but in 2007-2008 we will be paying him $6 million. If we trade at the beginning of the 07-08 season him his new team will have to pay him $6 million but am I right in presuming they will have to charge the whole $6 million against their cap?
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Originally posted by Bulis_the_Habbie
But anyway, his career has nothing to do with how good a coach he'll be. Besides Larry Robinson name 1 coach who was a great NHL player.
Okay I am going to have to name Toe Blake (2nd best coach ever?) and Jacques Lemaire.
However, I do think that playing skill is not a requirement for a good coach. In fact as a coach and teacher, I would say the opposite is true. It is much easier to teach/coach a skill that you struggled with compared to something that came easily. For this reason I think Gretzky may struggle as a coach. Of course, there are lots of factors that go into being a good coach and Wayne may have these other skills.
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I also fully agree with Simonus. Julien was the big difference. I remember in the years before that the Habs never seemed to have any sort of defensive system. We were always getting caught out of position and our passing was terrible. I used to cringe continually while watching the play. Within a few weeks of Julien taking over the change was remarkable.
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I read a couple of years ago that many countries (including Canada) are trying to standarize this. They have agreed to use the format year-month-date. This seems unusual but the reason for this format is that you can keep going:
year-month-date-hour-minute-second-(tenth of second)-(etc)
Where you should stop depends only on how precise you want to be.
Having said this (and I confess I kind of like this system) I haven't heard much about trying to promote its use.
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Washington signed a big contract with Jagr a few years ago. When he was traded from the Capitals to the Rangers, Washington agreed to pay half his salary for the remainder of the contract. Thus both Washington and the Rangers were on the hook to pay him a little over 4 million (each) for the coming season.
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I don't really know but I think Washington would have bought out their portion of Jagr's contract. Either way they have to pay a 4 million to a player not playing for them. May as well buy him out and save the cap room. The only disadvantage to that is they have to pay the 4 million all at once, not spread out over the season.
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I have always liked Duncan Milroy. Not sure if he will make the NHL or not but I'm hoping he has a good season in Hamilton. He should get more ice time this year and so he will have his chance to show us what he can do.
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1. Ribero - I think Ribero will blossom without the red line and with less obstruction.
2. Dagenais - I think Dags may surprise us. This is probaby a make or break year for him and I think he knows it and is motivated. Of course Dagenais won't have a good year unless Ribero does.
3. Streit - We're not expecting much but I think he will be a solid 6th defenceman.
4. Koivu - He has incredible heart and I think as captain of a much better team he will really improve his stats.
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Originally posted by LifeLongHabsFan
Peter Puck - i just read that heartwarming story
of a 6 year old who could see beyond the fleeting fancy of a Maples Stanley Cup win :puke: - but just think my friend - May 2, 1967 was the last day you were ever a loser, YOU'VE BEEN A WINNER EVER SINCE! So, congrats, and thanks for jumping on board and never jumping off!
YOU, my friend, :/) are one of the reasons HABS RULE!!!! :ghg:Thanks LifeLongHabsFan. My wife and parents-in-law are big Leafs fans so I have put up with some grief the last few years but I am really looking forward to this year and the next few years.:ghg:
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Originally posted by alexstream
well it's quite the opposite for us, we're surprised that YOU know how to use a computer
Originally posted by Peter PuckI'm 44 years old (as you can tell from my bio) for a few more days.
I'm surprised there aren't more 40 and 50 year olds. You youngsters missed out on some great teams and some great cups.
Well I may not be as proficient as most of you but I have been using computers for 34 years. It is a bit easier now that I don't need punch cards though.
By the way alexstream, I will take this opportunity to say that I have been lurking around HW since a couple of months after it started and I have always been impressed by the quality of your posts (especially for someone of your tender years). :bow:
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I'm going to limit myself to regular season games. This is going back a ways - early seventies or late sixties. The Habs are playing the leafs and its a great game with lots of fast skating and exciting chances but no goals. It was a fabulous game with each team going all out. As the game come to an end the Leafs ice the puck and it looks like the game is over ... but Savard (I think) hustles all the way back and touches the puck with 5 seconds left. The habs's centre wins the draw back to the point and Savard blasts home the winning goal with 2 seconds left in the game! :-^:-^
I'll never forget that game.
edit: grammar
[Edited on 2005/8/27 by Peter Puck]
[Edited on 2005/8/28 by Peter Puck]
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I'm 44 years old (as you can tell from my bio) for a few more days.
I'm surprised there aren't more 40 and 50 year olds. You youngsters missed out on some great teams and some great cups.
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I have to agree with Bullis_the_Habbie and say Andreychuck. I remember after the 95-96 season when the Leaf's let him go because they thought his best years were behind him. He has put up 634 goals and 686 assists in 1597 career games.
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Well I've always liked the Kings. I loved Vachon and the deal we made for Lafleur.
and the Devils, I rooted for them for years but now that they have won cups and been good I am losing interest.
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Originally posted by High&Inside
I would leave a forward spot open for someone in the waiver draft. BG tends to find a least one player who can contribute... in 03-04 he plucked Steve Begin.
No need to worry about losing player a the waiver draft and BG wn't be plucking any surprises for us this year. There is no more waiver draft under the new CBA. You can find his at the nhl's site:
http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/cba/index.html (about 2/3 of the way down)
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Sportsnet is reporting this on their web site. No details though.
Edit: added this reference
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/nhl/free_agent_tracker.html
[Edited on 2005/8/16 by Peter Puck]
Pre-Season Game Thread | Tampa Bay vs. Montreal | 9/20/05
in Habs & Hockey Talk
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That's not enough to explain a 6-1 loss. Nor to explain Montreal's domination of TB tonight.