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6 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I think he may be the perfect guy to roll the dice and timing may be perfect. I think Domi would be an overpay, but I’d be trying to get Broberg or Bouchard as part of the deal.would give us high end D prospects that should be no lower than top 4 when they are ready.
qould also allow us to have prospects that are exempt from the expansion draft.
we have excellent d currently and solid d prospects coming up, so many we can’t make room for them all without moving someone.we don not want edmonton défense.
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3 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I think he’s not only got potential to crack the 2nd line, but be a top line winger. I think Edmonton is a toxic environment. Even Eberle was regressing there. I think playing overseas he’s got his confidence back and he may take the same time of step KK did. He really reminds me a lot of Markus Naslund who I really liked before he went to the Canucks. I wouldn’t try and make a 1 for 1 deal. I think if we help out the oilers cap situation by taking a guy like Neal, Domi and Byron would be attractive to a team that wants NHL ready players and may give up one of their prizes D prospects. I don’t think that would be enough so you add the first rounder. Oilers may not want/need it, but it gives the. Currency to fill other holes.
That’s terrible idea.there are known assets currently in the NHL available.
Can’t believe there is anyone interested in Pulijarvi at all.
Shows why we aren’t in the business haha.There is obviously good cause for teamA that spend millions on pro scouting to have not touched the guy, and he isn’t that young.
Say what you want about Edmonton being toxic but Mtl will chew that kid up with the microcosm of being a hab, especially one who would come in with a lot of debate, criticism and skepticism, and some optimism but his track record doesn’t scream out that he has risen to a challenge in the past so doubt he would here and we’d be screaming to ship him out/send him to Laval.so many try NHL’ers to be talked about, this is a waste of time.
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4 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
That’s why I’d rather move our pick and Domi for high end prospects closer to KK and Suzuki’s age, should be ready faster.
Agreed, There will
be some coming off
/ending entry Level deals that would have a more immediate impact, be a more es ta blushed commodity to evaluate as well.
learning to play pro is a big deal. Not every player adjusts as well or at all. It’s a grind, have family and friends who couldn’t cut the lifestyle (semi-pro, AHL type that Had a shot at the show, but couldn’t bring it every night with the travel, skilled competition every shift, physical/mental tolls.)
Prospects like mentioned have been through it and could make the step Up and contribute quicker.
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9 hours ago, John B said:
I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Puuljujarvi, but I don't want to see the Habs pay what it would probably take to get him out of Edmonton. It's really hard to pin down his value. Hard to know what his ceiling might be. Likely middle 6. If Edmonton were willing to take a 3rd rounder and a conditional pick based on Puuljujarvi's performance (point totals), I wouldn't be opposed to it. The idea for buyers is to not overpay, while the seller wants to get fair value as well.
Habs need a consistent scoring threat, not Pulijarvi or whatever it is.Why open the door to another project when there are proven commodities available and we have the budget, cap flexibility to get a proven commodity.
pulijarvi has had a shot, many shots and doesn’t even dominate in AHL, the last thing the Habs need is more middle 6 depth, we got that is spades.
so many better options, not sure why anyone even thinks of this dud.
a top set of wingers mentioned above of Gallagher (love but know his lifespan is dwindling quickly) Drouin ( no thanks, too inconsistentent), Caulfield (looks great but too early to call and small AF), pulijarvi ? WTF would make anyone think he will be reliable and this group of forwards would be a joke to play against other than Gallagher, would be boxed out all the time.
Brutal tip four wingers there.
Add on the financial impact of taking on bad contract? We don’t need an Oilers dman, our d is solid for another 2-3 seasons- especially next season.
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11 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:
So here's a idea when it comes to a Domi trade. Would people be upset if Bergevin packages Domi and our 16th pick to move into the to 10 if there was a top scoring winger available to be picked? I think that they're some good winger's available in free agency that maybe we don't need to trade for one. But we could trade up to try and draft another young scoring winger. Just food for thought.
Don’t like.from what I’ve ready none of the scoring wingers in the draft will be impactful next season or the year after.
That is too long for the Habs, whether admitted or not they have a 1-2 year window if they add immediate, consistent scoring.
Both on PP and 5v5.
I believe this means a trade or free agent target.
other posters have mentioned many of the names. Plus, I think there will be more opportunity for this than usual given the economic downturn for the league.
This is huge given they also have cap flexibility to do it and a kick ass wall of défense (again in a window)
immediate scoring help is not coming Via draft unless you have #1.
Immediate scoring help is all that keeps the Habs from being a cup contender with current d/goalie/core forwards (including Danault, not Domi)
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3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Agree. The Habs seem to be banking an awful lot on Eyeontheprize's analysis of how Edmundson plays under a zone D system.And maybe it'll work out, at least until Julien is fired. But in the context of this constrained marketplace, that seems a mighty generous contract for a guy who will likely not have teams banging down the door to pay him over $4 mil.
Of course he hasn't signed yet. But i don't like the rumour much.
When you think they traded a meaningful pick just to have an edge in signing him...they must really like this guy.
I know MB signed Petry, and thank God. But if you look at the kind of d-man he seems to prioritize, it's Weber, Alzner, Chiarot, now Edmunson - even though Petry and Kulak were every bit as important to the little playoff run we had as were Chiarot and Weber. MB threw away Sergachev and Markov and couldn’t play hardball enough with Subban before shipping him out. I'm not crazy about this apparent preference for D-men who resemble the player Bergevin was over guys who can skate, move the puck, and create from the back end, especially on a team starved for offence.
“meaningful pick”?was it not a fifth rounder in a draft year that we have a surplus of better picks?
hardly seems meaningful.
A chance to lock down Another dman who can protect Price is worth that, at least until we can see the results of the up and coming d in the system.
people were bashing Chiarot pickup too, but he provided quality play and added Price protection capabilities we’d been sorely lacking.
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2 hours ago, JoeLassister said:
This.
IMO, Having Danault on the team to ease up Suzuki and KK + the return of a package that includes Domi >>> Having Domi on the team + the return of a package that includes Danault
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21 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
The fact that there’s even a conversation, albeit not by everyone, that there’s even the possibility that Suzuki would supplant Danault on the 1st line by next season, says more about Danault than Suzuki in my opinion.
The team, in general, needs more offense. Danault is, or has been, a 1st line center and has 1 career playoff goal. That’s not good enough. Keep him on the third line all you want, but then I don’t know why we would be crying about the possibility of losing him.
I don’t agree that Danault is by far and a way the better player and I say that all the while being aware how good his stats can be 5 on 5, in addition to his all around game.
There is a reason Domi would be selected above Danault in any fantasy draft, and it’s because of offense. He also does bring grit,
can get under the opponent’s skin and is willing to drop the gloves, which means offense is not the only thing he brings to a team.
Most people look at the players, see where they are in the lineup (Danault 1st line C) (Domi 2 or 3rd line wing, or 4th line center) and judge them in that way. That’s fine and there’s nothing wrong with that. I see two players, one of which is playing higher in the lineup than they should be, and the other who in the playoffs was playing lower in the lineup than they should be.
There’s no question in my mind that Danault’s numbers have been inflated playing on the first line. Domi had 3 less points Last year in the same amount of games but was not playing on the first line. He would have had 50+ in 71 games with Tatar and Gallagher.
I say all this while knowing and understanding that I am in the minority. But I am not going to simply overlook Domi’s 72 point season and call it an aberration just for the sake of doing so. I am willing to let the future play itself out, and if Domi is on the team next year, I am confident he will have an oustanding year like he did 2 years ago. Danault, I can pencil in for 55 points next year, knowing there’s no way he’ll ever do more than that offensively. Domi, as long as he can put the puck in the net as well, easily has that 55-75 point potential. I am not so sure how it’s clear as day that player 1 is far superior to player 2 when looked at in that way.
The fact that you mention fantasy hockey is ridiculous.And Domi’s 70 point season is an aberration from the mean, which is based on multiple years in the league. Perhaps he’d get more points than Danault of playing as 1C but guaranteed he’d be a defensive black hole when matched against the studs that Danault and co manage to hold at bay while winning the matchups.
Danault is not perfect but far better suited than Domi.
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
Danault was 5th in Selke voting. Teams know what they are getting.
Yes he has more value, but its cause he's the better player.
Yes, I love that comment!who cares about trade value if you’re leaving the team worse off.
Danault is far away the better player and a core piece of the team.
Can’t believe there is even debate about who to move.
Danault needs to insulate Suzuki and KK for at least two more seasons.
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2 hours ago, DON said:
Havent watched, but sounds like Canucks youngsters are doing very well.
Great to hear.
East Coaster who spent some years in BC and still follow the Nucks.youngsters are doing well but we wouldn’t even be talking about them if Demko hadn’t saved their asses, they really don’t deserve to still be alive so while the youngsters have stepped up and showed cause for optimism (like Suzuki, KK) there are some serious deficiencies that are easily overlooked by the results.
similar with Habs minimal success, there is reason for hope but still a lot of roster Mgmt and development required before consistent success can be expected.
Vancouver shouldn’t still be playing if not for Demko. When Price steals games it is expected as Habs invested heavily in him as their Star and his excellent play is part of the game plan.
Demko has been a pleasant surprise, but his play is well above expectations and masking how outmatched the team is.
rooting for them but a hot goalie is making them appear more well-rounded than they are.
the knights are legit and scary how quickly they have established consistent performance and effort levels.
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46 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:
Thinking BIG here and not saying this is what we should do... but, maybe MB does dip into the UFA market
what about Tanev out of VAN to shore up the right side?
Hall as a true LW to replace Domi?
and then a big trade to land Laine with Domi going the other way?
Obviously I haven't considered the CAP implications at all in these proposals or contract limits for Winnipeg but what a line up that would be if healthy!
Can Laine be had for Domi, Poehling (Brook or Harris) 2 x 2020 2nd RD, 2020 3rd RD, 2021 2nd RD? ( prospects & picks are negotiable) BUT KK suzuki, caufield, primeau , romanov and Norlinder are off the table
still thats an overpayment on the Habs for the winger I believe but...
Consider 4 picks, a D prospect, a C prospect and a current C for there 2nd line for a high scoring winger
we keep all our blue chip prospects and our 1st rounder in 2020 and jets get needed cap relief, a big bump to a depleted prospect pool and immediate help for Schiefele down the middle
Considering what we got for Patches... we are paying a high price (even so Patches deal was done with Pacioretty signing simultaneously)
Hall ufa 3 x 9.5 million
tanev ufa 3x 6million
line up would look something like this for a year before a restructure the next season with players like KK, gallagher, petry, tatar and danault needing deals.
Drouin Suzuki Laine/ Dadonov/ Toffoli/ Hoffman
Hall/ Gaudreau KK Armia
Tatar Danault Gallagher
Byron Evans Lehkonan
Belzile
Chairot Weber
Kulak Petry
Romanov Tanev
Mete Fleury
Price
Demchenko
thats a helluva line up
other options could be trading for Gaudreau instead of Laine (obvious rumours of the day currently)
and signing Dadonov, Toffoli or Hoffman at a cheaper rate then Hall
That’s a weak top 6 and why would we want Tanev at all, especially on bottom pairing. Our RHD is not an issue. D isn’t really at all.
but Drouin on top line is a waste and to bank on Suzuki or KK being able to hold down top 6 centre responsibilities and production next year is a long shot.
that top 6 looks soft and unproductive.
i don’t see any really upgrades there given none of those acquisitions are sure fire producers so why bother blowing up the roster for Minimal net gain.
not to mention taking our current top line players and demoting them to third line, particularly given Danault’s comments I don’t think you can assume they still produce like one of the best 5v5 lines in hockey after that disrespect.
You wanna pay Tanev 6 mil/yr? And then put him on third pairing?
hall isn’t worth close to 9.5 either and he and Drouin in top 6 Wreaks of inconsistent effort and production.
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Wasn’t Galchenyuk at ppg pace for about 30 games as well and didn’t Domi do it for about 70 in his first season with the Habs?
Not to knock Koivu but a small sample size makes it easy to see elite where it may not always be.
Without looking up these stats it appears from comments above that Koivu was a ppg player for about 0.5% of his career.
Regardless of why, that’s what history reflects.
Cam Neely was a goal per game player In one season before knee issues and we aren’t talking about him being a ppg level player.
Lots of examples of short term successes.
But the results speak for themselves.
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I think previous post is correct that after this many seasons we know what Drouin is and is not.
To expect some late blooming is unrealistic at this point, he is a veteran player now.
Kind of funny to think management originally hoped he would fill the void at center seeing as he can’t even be relied upon on wing.
I’ve no use for him as his “elite” passing is not much better than league average and he’s too pricey for his infrequent effort and too often lack of production.
Hopefully some sucker team thinks there is more to be seen from him but he is exactly what we’ve seen. Talent without the drive to compete consistently shift in shift out, night in night out.
That attitude doesn’t appear overnight and if he has not learned that yet, it’s too late for him.
Get rid of him ASAP, no room for floaters and he is not that skilled to get by without effort.
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Used to travel to Columbus regularly and Have seen quite a few games live.
Their d looks better than they are because the entire team plays d-oriented hockey and forwards are rarely on the wrong side of the puck.
any of our top 4 would look much better playing on that team And under Torts.
Have seen the Habs play conservative hockey for years but watching Columbus play at home was textbook defensive first hockey, happy to play 0-0 into the third and hope to win 1-0.Their d are not all better puck movers and “modern NHL dmen” that are individually superior to the Habs top 4 (excluding Jones who is amazing).
not that they don’t have great dmen but their system and team buy-in boost them all Individually.
play like that of Drouin, Domi, and a few other Habs forwards would mean zero ice time under torts.Its boring to watch if you don’t understand and/or appreciate the style of play and makes sense if you have a great goalie (CP31) but requires full team buy in, you can’t let one or a few guys slide because other players see that as well, it’s gotta be all in.
A 15-20 goal guy who is now going to get 7-10 is going to have a harder time accepting the buy-in when the 30-40 goal guy gets a pass on shot blocking, offensive zone positioning, back checking.
On a team like that there is no star mentality, nobody gets a pass, everybody can be benched.
Accountability.
capitals have done that lead by Alex when they won.
penguins have done it under Sid/Gino.
just a thought.
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5 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
It wasn't a rumour. It was a list of five players that could help the Habs offensively. That's not a rumour. If one of those players is talking to the Habs in the offseason, that's a rumour but a list of players with decent offensive numbers on its own isn't.
This thread does seem the perfect spot to discuss NHL'ers slated to become UFA’s in a very general sense. As pointed out, there is no specific rumour just identified players that may or may not be a good addition to the Habs.
it sparked a discussion in the NHL discussion thread so seems to have been a winner.Can’t believe you get complaints over the forum content on a fan site.
sorry to hear that, I appreciate having the ten minutes of pleasure reading each day, thanks for the efforts to all and Go Habs Go!!!
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Imagine Sergachev in top 4 and Kulak on bottom pairing and being able to roll three defensive pairings reliably with a mix of defensive and two way players on each. Could be solid.
Sergachev - Weber
Chiarot - Petry
Meet/Kulak - Fleury/Juhlsen
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53 minutes ago, Easy Ryder said:
True, Sergachev would nicely complete our top 4.
yes, never liked that deal.Thought Drouin was proving me wrong for a stretch there a while back, but it was short-lived and the rarity it seems.
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Hall is tempting.
Dandanov is intriguing to me, has always been one of my sleeper fantasy Picks, seems to be impactful even when not on scoresheet as well.
the rest are “meh” to me, not excited about the prospect of acquisition unless it’s under market value which isn’t happening.
not that I know anything, but the rumours are fun to speculate on.
I see Hall as being polarizing and either a fan fav or whipping boy.
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My seven year old and I both really enjoyed “Magic for Humans”...
or as we call it magic for Susan’s.
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On 8/14/2020 at 12:35 PM, JoeLassister said:
Greg the Bunny
It had been so long I had to look up the name. Don’t meet many people Who know it.
I’ve watched it twice many years ago and am curious if it stands up to time. Gonna have to find it online.
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On 8/15/2020 at 4:18 PM, xXx..CK..xXx said:
All I know is that I never wanted Gardiner and have always been completely fine that we didn’t sign him.
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6 hours ago, DON said:
There you go, might be a bit wordy though.
I dont know, people just seem so friggin touchy these days. Whoever wrote it am pretty sure wasn't trying to disparage lil Nicky.
I hope Poehling does get something positive out of practicing with team but being forced to watch from pressbox.
Thanks, nice to have some backup haha.I def was not trying to slam Suzuki. Was just quickly looking for a name that has been uncommonly used that also flowed with KK (in the original sentence) so I went for alliteration with the triple K’s.
Seems everyone knew who I was referring to so all good there, but didn’t anticipate the over analysis of it.
Kind of funny, I wouldn’t even have thought of it as a slag. Proper names only from now on for me.
Go Habs Go!!!
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“Nope.
The Habs are in win-now mode, it is not training camp. Poehling can show where he is in December.“
Agreed 100% and also with comments that he would have had a chance by now if he had really impressed in practices.
This is win time, not development camp.
we have a lot of young players getting great playoff experience, so it’s not like we aren’t developing.
Love Poehling, but he’s not ready and playing minimal minutes and probably underperforming due to rust, intensity of playoff hockey is not setting him up for success. It’s not in the team’s best interests, nor his.
As far as Weiss goes, I’m happier seeing him as an extra but it’s not like he’s been given anything. He’s earned his shot, hasn’t done much with it and the team appears to have moved on. That is how it is supposed to go, he’s not coaches darling who is getting coddled, he is known to be low maintenance, hard worker who has shown he digs deep for the Habs when it counts. They probably hoped to milk the last of that, the well seems to have dried though. He barely plays when he is dressed so not like coaches are favouring him. They’ve moved on, crazy how much time and typing has gone into a fourth liner who plays less than 10 min per game, and whom we all loved years ago when he was a playoff beast.
Poehling has been made
Redundant with the emergence of KK and Kawasaki. Danault plus them equal top three C. Poehling will have more value on market than he does as a 4th liner, maybe he ends up on wing I suppose.
Poehling would be a good piece of a package trade, probably also involving taking on a bad contract as well. That’s a random thought off top of head without thinking through though.
Philly ain’t no thang, we got this in 6.
Go Habs Go!!!!
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Mete is frustrating to watch as he wheels incredibly well, can be very shifty and make a nice play to buy himself time in d zone but then primarily makes a dump or bad pass that results in opposition regaining zone access with a now tired Habs crew on the ice. He has not stood out as being anchored down by Ouellette, they are both AHL calibre.
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why would even want to “roll the dice” on a guy you picture in top 6? That makes no sense, roll the dice in bottom 6, not top 6.