GHT120
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44 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I can’t really blame the vets for checking out, either - assuming them to have done so. They know the Habs are sellers, so on a human level, it’s got to be tough not knowing what your fate is.
Not certain that any vets have really "checked out" ... any that are not playing well have pretty much not played well all season.
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22 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I think the Habs have zero interest in retaining salary on Anderson for the next 4 years.
An Anderson trade will currently (now or this summer) only happen if the other GM feels they can "fix" Josh and the Habs take back a similarly bad, but shorter term, contract; otherwise, why bother making the trade.
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3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Multiple reporters giving their opinion on MSL's comments, that is has been the the best 5-6 game sequence of the season. I am surprised that many of hte reporters that are usually positive on MSL seem to be calling him out.
The RDS panled (Damphouse, Carboneau, Flynn) compared the Habs to the PHI and how Tortorella was able to get the team to push for a playoff spot with a team as poorly staffed as MTL. They also commented on how the youngest players have made individual progress but that the veterans are not playing their best as if they are just waiting for the trade deadline. They didn't say this, I am making the leap in saying that the veterans may have checked out for this season.
The $64,000 Question is ... do you agree with them all (even most) of the time or only when they agree with your perspective?
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56 minutes ago, hockeyrealist said:
What struck me is the writer claims Kapanen is averaging over a point per game (1.12)
Might this be the context:
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15 minutes ago, Sir_Boagalott said:
... Like has been stated Andy is at his all time low so it would be hard to move him or get a high value for him ... Savard is a vet that is actually playing well and his salary isn't crazy
I can accept the argument for Anderson's value being at an all-time low, but even he bounces back to 17 goals/season average, given his inability to complement the other members of any line on which he has been placed I don't kbnow that his value would be all-that high.
As for Savard ... his value may well be as high as it is ever going to get.
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16 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Myers, he is a pending UFA at $6M. Reportedly being played a lot lately but did not have a good start to the season and was being played less.
Ian Cole is another option, but his cap hit is only $3M. Anderson at 50% cap-hit could be an option there but I am not sure I like that deal for Montreal (cap hit for the 3 years and prorated this year, right?):
To MTL: Ian Cole ($3M/pending UFA) Jonathan Lekkerimäki
To VAN: Josh Anderson (50% $5.5m/2027), Jordan Harris (50% 1.4M/2025) = $3.45M/cap-hit
VAN can send Arshdeep Bains down to make room under the cap and put Anderson in that spot.
Myers and Cole are (by TOI) the 'Nucks second pairing ... not certain they improve their defence by replacing either by Harris, which is important in a season where they are leading the western conference.
I also agree with @TurdBurglar that it will take a lot more than Anderson, Harris and some salary retention (even if the habs could retain on both) players to get the 15th overall pick from 2022 who is 7th in SweHL goal scoring this season and tied for the goal scoring lead at this past WJHC.
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14 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Anderson could help Vancouver ...
But would he help them for 3 more years at $5.5M against their cap?
17 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:... but we would have to take salary back ...
Who does Vancouver have that the Habs could (a) take back to offset the cap-hit ... AND ... (b) for whom Anderson would be an upgrade?
Not certain there is anyone.
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53 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:
Struble back at practice. He's a Beast!
"Regarding his injury in Pittsburgh, Jayden Struble tells us that he felt something in his back while accelerating ... It was painful at the time but he quickly knew in the treatment room that it wasn't serious."
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12 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Columbus wins, Buffalo wins and Arizona comes back and gets a loser point in Winnipeg. Almost a perfect night.
ONE point out of 5th overall and 'Yotes have a game in hand ... sadly, I expect they will beat Arizona tomorrow night
EDIT: NOW it is tomorrow night, then it was Tuesday night
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29 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:
Nobody is completely untouchable, but I would say Xhekaj is just as untouchable as the defencemen you listed. While he was in the AHL Montreal was offered "a young NHL forward and a former first round pick with second line potential," according to the fourth period. That offer was rejected, which seems like a substantial offer for Xhekaj.
You are correct that nobody is completely untouchable, but I think the consensus (here and elsewhere that I heard/read) was that the young NHL forward and a former first round pick with second line potential was someone whose "potential" was of the "once upon a time had" context.
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9 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
... Pearson hasn't shown enough to be even worth a 7th round pick right now ...
Had Dwight King shown enough to give up a 4th round pick?
Had Steve Ott shown enough to give up a 6th round pick?Had Andreas Martinsen shown enough to give up SVEN ANDRIGHETOO!!!!! 😉
All it takes is finding the right GM.
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8 hours ago, Commandant said:
Pearson isnt worth anything and neither is Armia or Anderson.
Ill be shocked if they are traded for anything of value at the deadline.
Not certain that just disposing of the contract wouldn't be enough for either Armia or Anderson ... still unlikely either get moved.
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15 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Quite the race for the last wild card spot in the west, 5 teams within 3 points of each other. Harder to be a seller when you are that close.
Good news for actual sellers
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Decent-ish game by Allen ... first two goals by players completely uncovered ... third on a semi-breakway given up when killing a penalty (?!?!?!?!) and the final when two players get beaten by end-to-end speed and effort, allowing the opponent to cut across most of the width of the ice right in front of the net.
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1 hour ago, tomh009 said:
Not directly the fiscal situation (ie how is the cash flow of the team, or the balance sheet). It's just an estimate of what someone might be willing to pay for the team. It's more to do with the financial potential of the team rather than the current state--and the prestige level of owning said team. That prestige will entice billionaires to buy, but a team in Winnipeg will generally be less desirable than one in Toronto, NYC or LA, for example. Whether they sell 2000 more season tickets or not really won't make much of a difference in that perceived value.
Which is why I really wouldn't use the estimated franchise value as a proxy for the team's financial performance, any more than I would use the estimated brand value to judge whether TikTok does better financially than BMW.
Also from the Forbes list, Winipeg has the 5th lowest operating income (i.e., after expenses) ... which is reflected in the estimated value ... but we can agree to disagree I guess about whether Winnipeg is in great/poor financial straits.
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13 hours ago, tomh009 said:
Franchise value doesn't directly affect the team, that's like the stock price. It's the perceived value of the team, but having a higher (estimated!) value doesn't bring any additional revenue to the team. And while 5th-lowest is not high on the NHL scale, it does not necessarily mean that it's not a viable team. We really don't have enough data to determine that.
What I said was that it reflected the fiscal situation of the franchise.
DIDN'T say they are either not viable, or moving, but neither are they a financial success.
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Just now, tomh009 said:
Maybe yes. But tickets are far from the only income source. I expect the TV contract will bring the Jets much more revenue than Arizona, Anaheim or Caroline etc will get. Merchandising is another facet, don't know how well that works for the Jets. But, for sure, ticket revenue is not the only determining factor.
It may somewhat offset, but the Jets' franchise value is 5th lowest in the NHL ... they are not in a fiscally strong situation.
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8 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Here we are re-litigating this argument, LOL.
I was convinced at the time that Metro was being used on the PP because he was the only damned player on the entire team that actually went to the net and was willing to stand in front of it on the power play. It wasn’t a case of The Count being a village idiot - more like, his other players just were not giving him what he needed in that capacity. And look, the guy got 16 goals that year, so it’s not like he was cement hands out there.
Finally: the Habs were 2nd overall in PP that year! Obviously JM was doing something right. https://www.covers.com/sport/hockey/nhl/statistics/team-powerplay/2009-2010
Not re-litigating his use ... ideally, he should not have been, which was reflected in his never playing in the NHL again ... just stating the obvious that if he tied for PP goals lead there obviously weren't better choices available ... not "support" for Metro, rather a reminder of how bad that team was (5th fewest goals scored in the NHL that season).
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Just now, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Probably. What I’m saying is that Peg fans are absolutely in a “use it or lose it” situation and should have understood this from the get-go. Ultimately, if they’re not going to games, then they will lose the team, period - and quite quickly, I’d imagine.
I don’t know what their problem is. I always thought they were devoted fans. They have a surprisingly competitive team this year, they should be banging the doors down.
If the issue is that the average fan in Winnipeg just can’t afford NHL prices, then that is truly sad, but it also means that they are not an NHL city, full stop.
In the long-term, even filling their building may not be enough ... it has the lowest capacity in the NHL (ignoring the joke in Arizona obviously) ... especially as "regular fans" can't pay the premium "corporate" prices that most teams depend upon, and the corporate market is likely the weakest in the NHL.
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6 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Hopefully the Nordiques stay dead. Forever.
Winnipeg fans simply do not have the option of NOT coming out in massive numbers, night in and night out. I thought that was understood when they got their team back. 🤷♂️
The Atlanta ownership group was embroiled in a nasty fight and I believe that the NHL was desperate to get out ASAP.
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5 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
13,000 average attendance is not just a question of the size of the city. London gets more than 9,000 to their OHL games!
Slight difference in the cost of OHL and NHL tickets.
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24 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I've had a few variations of this idea in my mind over the last week and I'm not sure if this is the winner yet but here goes:
To Montreal:
F Ryan Johansen ($4M through 2024-25)
COL 2026 fourth-round pickTo Colorado:
F Adam Henrique (75% retained, 50% from ANA, 25% from MTL, $1.456M through 2023-24)
G Jake Allen (50% retained from ANA, $1.925M through 2024-25)
Rights to F Ty Smilanic
To Anaheim:
COL 2026 second-round pick
COL 2025 third-round pick
F Oscar Olausson ($863K through 2025-26)
To do this, four separate trades have to be made:
1) Smilanic to COL for Johansen, COL 2026 2nd, COL 2025 3rd
2) Allen, COL 2026 2nd, and COL 2025 3rd to ANA for Henrique (50% retained)
3) Allen (50% retained) to COL for Olausson
4) Henrique (50% retained on remainder) to COL for COL 2026 4th
Montreal gets some value for Allen in Johansen, someone who I think can be flipped next season as a rental and pick up a future pick for the second element of retention. Smilanic is this year's Arvid Henrikson, their least valuable asset, just since something had to go to Colorado in the first part of the trade.
Colorado gets their backup goalie on a value contract for this year and next and gets a short-term C upgrade while even freeing up a bit of cap space. They probably can't move Johansen for Allen without getting a centre somewhere else.
Anaheim is believed to be seeking a second and a third for Henrique plus another third for retention on Henrique. They do a bit better with this as Olausson (a former first-round pick whose value has dipped a bit) has a bit more value than another third-round pick in exchange for eating half on Allen. I waffled on adding another small element for them but the Avs only have so many trade chips here.
LOVE IT!
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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I don’t like him, because die some idiotic reason he was in the PP. good in the draw, but should be about the last choice for the PP!!!
How can he be the "last choice" for the PP on a team on which he tied for PP goals?
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Shades of Ottawa in days-gone-by ... wish I could say this surprises me.
Ignoring Arizona, Winnipeg has the lowest average attendance this season ... even in their best season, it had the 6th lowest attendance in the NHL ... Winnipeg has the second smallest population of any NHL city, by 175K behind Buffalo.
Metropolitan Quebec City is about the same size as metropolitan Winnipeg (20K bigger) ... neither city/region has the private sector economy to provide the business ticket sales/sponsorships/etc. necessary to offset the challenge of selling tickets in a small market ... hence, I-M-O, the NHL will only ever return to Quebec City as a last resort.
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The point I-M-O is simply getting rid of him ... he is not part of the long or even mid-term.