Komisarek the Cruncher

Why drop a young guy like Tanguay...drop the old farts to save money. That was a terrible trade. Worst I've seen in a long time.

What the hell was Colorado thinking?

What the hell was Colorado thinking? Leopold and 2 2nd picks (not even a 1st) for a guy like Tanguay I don't get it...

Agreed. Luongo doesn't know Vancouver well and it will take a while before he's willing to commit long-term to Vancouver, if he ever does. All he as to do is wait 1 year and sign with who ever he wants. Pass a certain date (I forgot), the Nucks won't be able to talk contracts with Luongo before january 2007. By then, he may decide to wait for is free agency and is value will be little by then. No team will trade away what the Nucks just gave away at next year's trade deadline. In fact, this is a huge gamble by the Nucks, one I don't think they will win....If I was Luongo, I would wait to become a UFA and get top money from my desired team I want to play for.

Trevor Timmins mentions on a RDS article that the Habs will be looking to move up in the draft. He also mentions that it will only be worth it if they can get a top 8 pick because he says there are 8 super stars available this year per his evaluation. Anything after top 8 is not worth moving up according to him, the rest is all the same. Would be nice to see the Habs get a guy like Brassard or Backstrom. A line of Brassard with Latendresse would be nice in a few years.

Arnott doesn't play with Modano, they're both centers. In fact, Arnott would be our #1 playing with Kovalev, not second like in Dallas. Also, please don't compare Arnott to Ribs, Arnott is a legit goal scorer (25 sure), which is what we need, Ribs is just a passer. More over, Arnot as good + ratings (much better player both ways), can play on PP and PK, plus brings the size and grit that we need. There is more then just pts in hockey. A 60 pts player who's +20 (Arnott) is 100 times better then a 60 pts player who's -10 (Ribs). Ribs gets is pts on the PP, Arnott gets them on 5 on 5. Not even close to being able to compare both players. Bring Arnott in and we will kick ass next year, guaranteed. Add the added experience of the young guys and Theo's departure, meaning good-bye the stupid distractions and the crappy goaltending, and we are set for a very good year.

No offense Jetsniper, but I told you weeks ago that Theo was a dumbass and that you would see what I was talking about next year, guess I was wrong about having to wait until next year.... Now Colorado is stuck with a 5M$ backup for 2 years, that's got to hurt the budget

Wishart might be the best D available when our turn comes, but he is no longuer listed on the top 30 prospects by most scouts (ISS, CBS, TSN, tc.). No thank you, I want the best player available. TSN as us picking the D Mark Mitera. Everybody is stuck on D, I say pick the best available player. We can trade our excess goalies and forwards for D.

That pretty much sums up what I think about Arnott too. Even if that's all BG does this summer, I will be a very happy Habs fan (it also includes getting rid of Ribs )

Thank you Theo and the media for once again proving that Theo's departure was the best thing to ever happen to the Habs, like I've been saying since day 1 of this season. And people were definding him so hard on this board

I hope it's not too important, french is my 1st language and I would get a dozen grammar correcting posts for every post I make As long as we can read the post without going , nothing wrong with a couple mistakes. Nope, I'm with you 100%. Replacing Ribs with Arnott + the extra experience of the young guys would definetly give us a great season to follow. One where we would see our Habs grow into a force in this league...basically back where we belong LOL

English is not everybody's first language, you should think about that before dismissing somebody's post because of spelling mistakes. I'd like to see you post in french, that would be too funny...but I would give you a thumbs up for the effort... By the way, it's "between", not "betwee", but I don't stop my self at these things.

I would not go as far as 6-7 millions in savings. Canadian teams cover their foregn exchnage risk by buying US$ exchange contracts at a fix price. The buy some contracts for up to 10-15 years sometimes and some for 1 year. They obviously don't cover 100% of their budget with 10-15 years contracts, they cover a certain % over a certain time, all based on predictions as to where the CDN$ will go. I can tell you that at the value of the CDN$ now, all the teams are probably buying contracts for a long time. Anyways, its complicated to explain how this works exactly if you're not in finance, I just gave a quick summary, but in the end, I would say that savings of 3-4 millions max is more reasonable. Unfortunatly, this doesn't apply to the cap which is all in US$. That saving is all for Mr. Gilett's pockets and no one else.

Wow, such weak arguments !!!! And you contradict your self all over the place!!!! And you leave out many things I say to only keep what helps make your point. No point discussing with you I don't feel sorry for people like you, only the ones that can be helped and you're way behond that point

If they're the same in production for their teams, then say so, don't say that Arnott and Lang are the same, it implies that they are the SAME...Also, they are not the same, one is on the decline and a huge risk (is it next year that Lang becomes a huge old flop...). Also, there is a lot more then production in a players value. You can't link point production to salary straight up just like you did. Arnott is a much better proven goal scorer (check the stats) and this is what we need more then anything else, not a passing center, a croring center (Koivu us a passing center). Also, Arnott as that playing style (physical, hard nose checking guy) that we need that Lang doesn't. Why get a guy that is old and doesn't fit what we need? I can't believe I'm actually explaining that we need Arnott way more then Lang, its so obvious As for the pts/game vs. pts/season, they both are stats with flaws and good value. Pts/game doesn't curb anything???? It shows a players production to the team on a per game basis when he plays. It actually is the better stats to see the offensive a guy brings in a game. Pts/season doesn't show much unless players are at full seasons, otherwise it only reflects that a player can often be injured, which is also a good thing. While mine shows the offense that a guy brings (which is what we were talking about and what we are looking for), your's show that Arnott as a hard time playing a full season and you need the pts and game played stats to see any value in the pts/season stat. I and most analyst prefer the pts/game stats as it as more value by itself then the pts/season stat. Again, I don't even know why I'm expalining this, it's so obvious Arnott is a better player then Koivu. Arnott's best are 33 goals, 76 pts and a +23 rating vs. Koivu's best that are 21 goals, 71 pts and a +8 rating. Look at their stats for the past 10 years and Koivu doesn't match Arnott's production. What does Koivu's value to the community have anything to do whit a player's talent and production? Yes Koivu as been here for a long time and went threw difficult times but can we blame Arnott for doing the same? Enough said. Yes, I would pay Arnott 7M$ if the cap went up to 70M$. If the cap goes up to 70M$, that means that all players salaries would increase by the same %. Arnott at 4M$ is 10% of the 40M$ cap like at 7M$ it's 10% of the 70M$ cap. Who said anything about 15M$ or 21% of the cap that is not even permitted anyways (max 20%). Great analysis there Man, you know nothing about a cap system and maths. You're arguing with a Chartered Accountant here, I would drop the cap comments if I were you, you're way out of your league here. Arnott is worth more then 3M$. 4M$ is the strict minimum. Dallas just offered him little over 3M$ and he turned it down. He will get 5M$ as a UFA, trust me on this one. As for Ribs, I'm sure that a team would be interested, but I'm not saying we will get much in return. I just want him gone. Dropping him could also be a solution. Don't have to trade him, just not offer him a qualifying offer before June 26th.

Arnott and Lang are the same I guess you never really saw them play to say such a thing. Similar size and stats on paper don't mean that they're the same. Divide the pts per game played, not seasons and you will get (644/824) 0.78 pts/game, so 64 pts per season. And that was in the low scoring trapped NHL and with many seasons in Edmonton with not so great talent on his line. You forget many things in your analysis. Standing path for what? There won't be superstar centers available next year either. Good centers are one of the hottest and rarest commodity in the NHL, grab one if you can is the way to go. Teams are all keeping their good centers, most are all resigned before hitting the UFA market (Lecavalier, Thornton, Richards, Jokinen, etc.) Arnott is better then Koivu and we are paying him 4.75M$....don't have a problem giving him 4.5 to 5M$. The cap will increase again next year by another 4 millions probably. In a 47M$ cap system, paying a center like Arnott 5M$ is not a problem. Max salaries will be about 9M$ in 2 years, 5M$ for Arnott is fine with me. Keeping Ribs is the worst thing that could happen to the Habs this year.

Yes it was Arnott's career year, but a 30 years old, it often happens has guys get experienced and hit their prime. Also, could it be that the new NHL suits him better? Ribs sucks PERIOD. As for Higgins, he's been converted to a winger since is 1st year in the AHL. The Habs don't see him as a center. He will never be one. He was not moved to center when Koivu was hurt last year... As for Pleks, I prefer him as our 3rd center. As for Arnott's career numbers, he's more a 60 pts then 50 pts average player and many seasons were not complete due to injuries, he's more of a 70 pts player over a full season. As for playing with guys with huge talent, I think Kovy can easily match any Dallas player that played with Arnott. Yes he would help the Habs greatly as PB and I pointed out. He fits exactly what we need, a big talented right handed center who plays both ways. There are not too many of those out there. He's not the only option, there are cheaper less talented options in the UFA market and god knows who's available via trade for the right offer. So YES is the answer to your question, he is what we are looking for. Also, we can't afford anybody over 7M$, so again, he's the perfect fit for us. We never said that he was a Joe Thornton, but he is a very talented center and not many can match what he brings overall.

He's the best center available via UFA this summer. He scored 32 goals and 76 pts last year, he's big and had 102 penalty minutes; and he plays very well both ways, I think that's pretty good, and most certainly 100 times better then Ribs. He finished 17th for points and 9th for goals for centers last year, that's in the top half of 1st line centers in the league, but you must be right, we don't need a guy like that, he would be a nightmare for our offense.... He would probably be be our best forward !!! You're right about the 66%, but the buyout price is spread over the remaining years of the contract boughtout per the CBA. Therefore it would be a 1.58M$ hit on the cap next year. We're better of keeping him for that year while Chipchura gets that 1 year in the AHL that he needs and then be-bye for the 2007-08 season.

Like Kaos said, how are young gyys going to develop with no ice time? Ryder is a 30 goal scorer. Kovy with a full season is a 30 goal scorer, even more if match with a decent center. Higgins could score 30 if he keeps doing what he was doing at the end of the season. I think that's pretty decent goal scoring from our wingers, 3 30 goal scorers + who knows from the other young guys. Why would an experience UFA come in and score more? There are not that many guys available and the 40 goal scorers are almost non existent and probably too expensive for what we can afford. Your wish list is nice (center, goal scorer, #1 D), but impossible with our cap situation. We have to be realistic here. We can afford one of these guys, not all 3. See our cap situation on the free agent thread, you will quickly realize that we can't afford all these guys. Many fans seem to forget that there is a thing called a cap in the NHL now.

Any center will do. Some might be available via trade. Ribs is a very low quality center and any replacement will upgrade the Habs by a ton. Ribs qualities: great vision and great passer Ribs problems: small and easily pushed off the puck, very slow, as no shot, below average on face-offs, bad defensively, not physical, doesn't play hard often and disapears in the playoffs.... Not that hard to upgrade. I prefer Plekanec as 2nd center over Ribs. Arnott is a possibility but will cost about 5M$. As for trades, well, who knows who's available? As long as we bring in somebody else to replace Ribs, I will be happy with next year's team.

You could not be more right about Bonk. Anyone defending him doesn't understand the cap system well. He's a complete waste of money at 2.4M$. Go Chipchura in 2008, a saving of at least 1.5M$, plus the cap increasing again another 3 to 4M$ probably. Then it will be BG's time to make a splash and give us that strong Cup contender team that will be amongst the elite of the league. I disagree that all he will do is resign our UFA. We do have a lot of room to sign a player, just not that 8M$ guy that some fans are dreaming about. He did say he wanted a UFA forward and that he wanted to upgrade the offense. BG just won't stay still, the fans and media would tare the city upside down if he doesn't do at least one move (trade of UFA).

Here's a quick analysis. Under contracts and known salaries (11 players): - Dandenault (1.7M) - Markov (1.75M) - Rivet (2.4) - Souray (2.25M) - Begin (1M) - Bonk (2.4M) - Downey (0.48M) - Koivu (4.75M) - Kovalev (4.5M) - Plekanec (0.57M) - Zednik (1.9M) Under contracts and unknown salaries (2 players): - Streit (0.6) - rumoured to be - Murray (0.75) - worst case senario The rest is a guess, here's my best shot at it (includes estimate of salaries towrads the worst case scenario to be conservative and Aebi being traded and Danis resigned): - Huet (3M) - Danis (1M) - Bouillon (1.5M) - Komisarek (1.2M) - Higgins (1M) - Perezhogin (1M) - Ribeiro (1.75M) - Ryder (2M) That's 21 players for 37.5M$, about 6M$ under the cap, maybe more due to cap being between 43 and 46, my guess is 43 (see my post http://forums.habsworld.net/index.php?showtopic=6912 for my reasons of a 43 cap vs 46). The above 21 players gives us a complete team (2 goalies, 7 D and 12 forwards), with one forward short to play on the 3rd line (see below). Assuming we maintain the goalies and D as is (as I have been predicting for a while), BG can move Zednik (Kostitsyn at 0.9) and Ribs for an additionnal saving of 2.75M, leaving close to 9M to upgrade the center position (Ribs). Asuuming that BG will keep 3 to 4M in reserve, we have about 5-6M for a center, can anyone spell A-R-N-O-T-T. That's it folks. We don't have that much cap space and BG said that he wanted to upgrade the offense, so like I've been saying all a long, forget any D coming as help unless we have to trade one for that offensive help. Kostitsyn-Arnott-Kovalev Higgins-Koivu-Ryder Perezhogin-Plekanek-? Begin-Bonk-Murray Downey as depth ? could be Zednik or someone else at 2M$ top. That would mean that we don't save the 1M$ (kost vs. Zed), but we have the room for it. Zednik played well with Plekanec and Perezhogin in the playoffs, could be interesting to keep that line. Perezhogin and Kostitsyn could switch places also. Markov-Komisarek Souray-Rivet Bouillon-Dandenault Streit as depth Huet-Danis No way we keep Huet and Aebi, BG just said that to avoid admitting to the other GMs that he wants to trade Aebi. Anyways, have fun analyzing and tearing apart my analysis

Bravo !!! Very well said. People confuse the morality with the baggage and the stupidity of the guy. I don't care if he killed the guy, Bert still has a pending lawsuit against him and why bring over here the circus show? That would be the dumbess thing to do. Also, see the comments about is temper. The guy as a reputation of being a jackass in the clubhouse and impossible to coach, no thank you. Some of you have to stop just looking at point production, hockey is a team sport and the team needs to jell to be good and a jackass like Bert won't contribute that way. Besides, he only scored 25 goals last year and he played with Naslund and had tons of PP time, not that impressive for a 5M$ player. And I repeat for the zillionth time, we need a CENTER, not a damn winger, we have tons of them.

Yes, it's 20 for CHL players and 18 for any other players (Americans, Euros, etc.). Gui can't play in the AHL next year, he will be 19. If he does well at camp, I say try him for that 10 games period where an NHL team can send the player back the CHL. If he does well, keep him, if not, send him back to Drummondville.

I'm with you on this one. We got rid of Theo, don't need another over-priced problem who brings more distraction then anything else to a team. Besides, CENTER guys, CENTER is what we need, not a winger. Latendresse will be our power forward soon.