Pierre the Great Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) Okay, this is hot button but I'm just going to throw this out there, how can catholics sit and watch their faith be eroded in the public by non-democratic religious leaders? Burke needs to realize the Supreme Court of the United States is more powerful then him, but then he has no accountability because the people have no say in whether he goes or stays. I for one am sick and tired of Raymond Burke and his Stalinist approach to my hometown, he's an embarrassment. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ht2ehjQ...F9ghnAD8UCHL681 "These beliefs are ingrained in me," Majerus told the paper. "And my First Amendment right to free speech supersedes anything that the archbishop would order me to do. My dad fought on Okinawa in World War II. My uncle died in World War II. I had classmates die in Vietnam. And it was to preserve our way of life, so people like me could have an opinion." The dispute between the archbishop and the coach puts students and faculty in the midst of a common clash pitting Catholic doctrine against intellectual freedom. The private university is independent of the Archdiocese of St. Louis, and therefore beyond the bishop's purview, but is tied to it culturally as a Catholic institution. "I'm a Catholic, and I support the church's stance. As an American, I also support people's free speech," said Andrew Clifton, the Student Government Association president. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...mp;lid=tab3pos2 St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke entered, stage right, and all but declared Majerus unfit to work at the Jesuit university that employs him. That came in the wake of Majerus' comments to a television reporter at the Clinton rally last Saturday, when the coach said, yeah, he's pro-choice and pro-stem-cell research. Burke isn't one to hold back when it comes to abortion opinions. In 2004, he said he would deny Holy Communion to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry because of Kerry's support for abortion rights. Now, he is hammering Majerus, saying he will ask Saint Louis administrators to take "appropriate action" against their first-year coach. "I was shocked," Majerus, a Catholic who talked extensively about his religious upbringing when he was hired, said of the archbishop's criticism. "And almost nothing shocks me anymore. … "I have no bone to pick with the bishop, I really don't. He's entitled to his opinion, but I should be entitled to mine." http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/2...ews-of-majerus/ http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3210049 theocracy is worse then dictatorships. Edited January 27, 2008 by Pierre the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Well in America he's free to start his own church/university or join another if he can't get along with his current one. I don't see what the big deal is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 Well in America he's free to start his own church/university or join another if he can't get along with his current one. I don't see what the big deal is. you're against freedom of thought? SLU is being partly funded by the public. This is the Jesuit Act type stuff where Honoré Mercier asked the Pope where public money should go to. This fool Burke keeps doing this. Attacks freedom of speech and thought, is turning his brand of catholicism and christianity on all of us in the community. Burke is the most powerful person in St. Louis. He shuts down churches he doesn't agree with, publicly spats with people that don't agree with him and hides under the banner of his religion. He is Stalin with cloth. He's done this 3 times now. He said he won't give communion to catholic democrats, publicly decried sheryl crow and now majerus. I hate the man and I've said so publicly in his face. (i went to a catholic school which is run by him) He is the worst of the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Private organisations have the right to demand certain behaviour from there members. If the members don't like it then they can leave. What is so tyrannical about that? Freedom to organise as they wish, and then freedom to associate as they wish? The only conflict here would be the funding, but a lot of institutions are funded by taxpayers and whose members say things no two people would agree about. By this same arguement is it fair for me that my tax money is paying the salary of socialist university professors who openly admit they are pro-communism, anti-israel, think Mao was a great guy, etc. It's an issue with no easy answer because even if a university does something you don't like and maybe you want to pull their funding, it would probably be a bad thing for society if they fail because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 "By this same argument is it fair for me that my tax money is paying the salary of socialist university professors who openly admit they are pro-communism, anti-israel, think Mao was a great guy, etc." that's free speech. Majerus wasn't representing the university he was being a private citizen. Is it a crime to a private citizen ? doesn't matter if its a private university or a private institution, the constitution trumps some stupid ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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