CoRvInA Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 with Dave A going on waivers... regardless what Dave deserves or not! My question is why this... "the Lightning said they won't require him to report. That means Andreychuk will continue to earn his $800,000 US salary but it will not count against the salary cap " ? how come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Call it a back-handed compliment. Call it a very odd sign of respect for a guy who's had a pretty good influence on guys like Vinny Lecavalier and Brad Richards. He's not going to get any more playing time in Springfield than he was in Tampa, and I'm not even sure that Springfield could even dress him regularly with the veteran rule in the AHL. He's not going to learn anything more, and at $800K, it's not a real drain on the financial side either, whether it applies to the cap or not. By assigning him to Springfield, they get the cap room back, he still gets paid, but they leave the decision up to him, without embarassing him or burning any bridges down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 By assigning him to Springfield, they get the cap room back, he still gets paid, but they leave the decision up to him, without embarassing him or burning any bridges down the road. If I'm the team captain one day and waived the next I would be embarrassed and pissed off. I know that TB is desperately in need of cap room but this is a pretty low class move. Paying him is the least they could do after he captained the team to the Stanley Cup. To answer the original question, if a player is waived, his salary doesnt count against the cap even though the team is contractually obligated to pay the full salary for the term of the contract. If a player refuses to report, they could be suspended. NJ already did this with Kristov Oliwa and wants to do the same thing with Mogilny, I think, barring a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Mogilny and Andreychuk - Poor guys, sure they don't have to work for their money now..but this is no way to end the careers of the guys who were once the two best goalscorers in the league. Is this some kind of an ex-Leaf syndrome or something? Kind of sad for Tampa's GM to knock Andreychuk as being too "slow for the new NHL", in the very same press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 wow.....that's a really horrible thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 (edited) If I'm the team captain one day and waived the next I would be embarrassed and pissed off. I know that TB is desperately in need of cap room but this is a pretty low class move. Paying him is the least they could do after he captained the team to the Stanley Cup. To answer the original question, if a player is waived, his salary doesnt count against the cap even though the team is contractually obligated to pay the full salary for the term of the contract. If a player refuses to report, they could be suspended. NJ already did this with Kristov Oliwa and wants to do the same thing with Mogilny, I think, barring a trade. ah right ok so let me get this right... in our case Dagenais and his $550k wont count if he plays in Hamilton then? we save lets say $100k if in his place we have a rook that earns 450k Cap wise ofcourse... Edited January 11, 2006 by CoRvInA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Yep it wouldnt count..minor league salaries do not. thats why teams like stl sent down more expensive guys like lalime..or why pit sent down fleury for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 ah right ok so let me get this right... in our case Dagenais and his $550k wont count if he plays in Hamilton then? we save lets say $100k if in his place we have a rook that earns 450k Cap wise ofcourse... That's right. One of those interesting cap quirks that give GM's who screw up some wiggle room(I'm not refering to Bob here) but is bound to drive the owners crazy. I cant imagine that the owners of the Devils are very happy with their payroll with Oliwa and Mogilny being paid not to play in the NHL and they almost had McGillis in the same situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 The funny thing with this is that Dave's contract will not count against TB's this year but if he retires or is not with the team next season, which is highley likely, it will count against their cap. The same thing with Mogilny, and Malakhov in NJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 The funny thing with this is that Dave's contract will not count against TB's this year but if he retires or is not with the team next season, which is highley likely, it will count against their cap. The same thing with Mogilny, and Malakhov in NJ. just when I think I understand everything here Smarty here goes and smashes me right in the kisser!! Thanks JMMR! haha joking ... but really? when you say "not with the team next season" you mean if he's not playing at all in the NHL? and Brett Hull too? in Phoenix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 The funny thing with this is that Dave's contract will not count against TB's this year but if he retires or is not with the team next season, which is highley likely, it will count against their cap. The same thing with Mogilny, and Malakhov in NJ. That doesn't sound right. The way I understood the cap to work, the total salaries of all the players on the 23-man active roster could not exceed $39 million for this year, the keyword being active. If a player retires, and signs his retirement papers, he is no longer an active player, and his salary shouldn't count against the cap. Where did you read that it would count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 The funny thing with this is that Dave's contract will not count against TB's this year but if he retires or is not with the team next season, which is highley likely, it will count against their cap. The same thing with Mogilny, and Malakhov in NJ. I didnt know that. But, take a look at the article by Bob McKenzie on TSN: http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie.asp The consensus is that Lou in NJ *#$!!' ed up badly. but he screwed up waaaay worse than most people thought. Ouch. Mogilny has 25 points including 12 goals it would have been worth it for NJ to give him away with a 2nd rounder to escape the contract... Maybe they're hoping someone takes a flier on him at half price for the rest of the season. If I'm Lou. I'm praying for an injury epidemic among offensive forwards. The interesting clause is about retirement.. wow! Anybody still sad that Bob didnt sign any big name, old, FA's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 To me, this is a classless move. Waive St Louis, Lecavalier and Richards if you have to but not the guy who led and captained your team to a Stanley Cup title that they would never hav won without him. Not only is it an embarassment to Andreychuk (one of the best players of all time) but it's also a stupid move for the team. 1) He's their captain and leader. They don't have much leadership without him. 2) He's very good at faceoffs. After him, Tampa doesn't really anyone great at faceoffs. 3) This is the most important reason. Tampa Bay's powerplay is 29th in the league. They are blessed with the best powerplay specialist OF ALL TIME and they let him go. Considering how bad their PP is, losing Andreychuk should be the last thing to cross their minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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