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The fact anyone tries to find a negative spin on a charity donation tells you there's axes to grind.

Sure the trade is done, but you can bet it's far from over! My few posts today were less about the trade anyway and more about stating my thoughts about PK. I don't think he deserves the flak. But I mean this is the Subban trade thread, you don't have to come read it if you're sick of it (which I don't blame you). Personally I'm done with the for and against arguments, as I think we all are. This whole personality thing was just a new talking point.

Do you even follow the Habs? If you did you might notice a couple young Habs have actually developed quite well under current Mgmt. And what in heck is "actual chance"? Are you saying you want Sergachev to play in the top four, or with Weber and get 25-30minutes/game?

No doubt PK sells his brand, he makes no qualms about it. The only point I was trying to make with the self-love versus narcissist comment was that for all Subban's shenanigans, the guy is always bringing about positivity. He's not the Donald Trump of hockey, talking about how rich and awesome he is. He's just aware of what he is an isn't afraid to use the power he has for good. I just feel like the guy gets an awful lot of S*** for doing a lot of good. Why do good deeds have to be quiet deeds? We see enough s*** things every day, so why do we pick on the one guy bringing some very good deeds to the public eye? I say make your good deeds as public as possible. Make the world look a little brighter once in a while. I'd never take away from the Sedins how great a 1.5 million dollar donation is, but PK's was the biggest donation from a sports figure in canadian history. You don't just not hear of that. I'd be damn proud to have my name there too. This trade was not predicated on any 'failures' of Subban.

It was, if you listen to the full quote. All similar things people said about David Clarkson when he was signed by the Leafs. We just watched a Penguins team with Phil Kessel hoist the Cup. We saw a Blackhawks team fighting each other in the locker room lift the Cup up while their best offensive star assaulted cab drivers and got stupid drunk at frat parties. We saw the Kings pack their team with the party boys of the Philadelphia Flyers who "quiet stalwart pro" Chris Pronger got them traded off the team, drink on road games and still win two Stanley Cups. The only teams that value players that conduct themselves as pros over players that win are loser teams. Montreal traded their best offensive player in the playoffs for the past several post-seasons and replaced him with a guy who just had the worst playoff showing of his entire career. Commanding respect around the league doesn't win you anything in the spring except a respectful handshake when your team gets eliminated.

Havent watched it in a while but that's the interview.

I think you might misunderstand Subban. There was a really great interview he did that really shows you what he's about. If I can find it I'll post a link. For him, there's no need to make hockey the one and only thing in his life. He actually thinks having other focuses helps his game because his passion for the game always feels fresh. This 'narcissism' isn't actually far off the mark if you remove the negative connotation. Sure I bet Subban loves himself, but there's a difference between self love and Narcissism. You're talking about a guy who spent 10 million bucks on sick kids instead of buying himself a yacht. Its almost like Subban gets hate for loving life too much. I fail to see how factoring in personality to this trade is grasping at straws.

Fans want to align themselves with management because it makes them feel smart and they want to think the team is on the right track no matter what.

I'm sure Pacioretty gave him an accidental death stare after the comment though because it was a perfectly appropriate thing to say right? it is actually the opposite, people who HATE the trade try to cover up this situation like a cat in its litter box, disputing that it was meaningless and out of context. When in fact there is more evidence to suggest it was exactly what it was, than not. And it likely got to the level it did because, NEWSFLASH, likely not the first inappropriate locker room moment he has caused. It is no different than having an annoying co-worker who is annoying to most of the staff but proves to be useful at his job so everyone tries to cope with it, but once in awhile when he keeps pushing buttons week after week someone has enough and tells him where to go and how to get there. the death stare was one of these moments, Therrien's harsh post game comments at times were such moments, Markov's reaction to an end of the season question a couple seasons ago was also such a time, countless little scenario's with one common denominator. I will say that I fully agree with Subban on why the trade happened, it was absolutely a philosophy change, a personality trade. His off ice personality would sometimes clash with his team mates, and his on Ice personality was unpredictable, uncontrollable, and probably uncoachable to some degree. Weber brings the entire opposite to the table, he buys into a system,you know what play he is going to make on the ice 97% of the time whether you are a coach, defensive partner, or a fan watching on TV. Off the ice he commands respect from his peers across the league, teammate or opponent, and conducts himself as a quiet stalwart pro on a daily basis. These factors played a role in this trade well before Age, and Talent ever did.

Cool! How you like Bargin Bin Bergy now? Am not happy nor sad, but cant wait to hear all the over the top fallout!!! Go Weber Go!

He is just struggling to figure out how someone wouldn't want what he brings, narcissists have trouble with rejection. Also that scenario is just plain goofy or seems grasping at straws, he needs to just move on and maybe grow up a bit?