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There’s no one who doesn’t fit that description given the right circumstance. As for captains, Kopitar floats, Getzlaf floats, Landeskog floats, Koivu floats, Wheeler floats... Not every night but they all do. In my opinion, despite all the negative remarks I read about him during game day threads, this is the wrong reason to trade him. Worrying about paying him is also a wrong reason to trade him. This happened already with Markov and Radulov, although admittedly trading them would have been much better than the alternative. The best reasons to move him are to make sure he doesn’t walk for nothing (re: extension) or because you think he can no longer score 30-50 goals. Who cares that he “floats” if he still is capable of being one of the primary goal scorers in the league and puts up 70+ points.

I personally agree that signing Pacioretty to an extension is the best course of action. What I don’t see is that Bergevin would be thinking like you in terms of signing him with the intention of trading him as a result of now having him locked up for more years. Maybe trade him in a few years but if you sign him to an extension my personal vision gets a little blurry as to why it’s necessary to trade him at all. The fan base has been crying for needs to be filled via trade and the last two biggest trades we’ve made have been trading away those very needs. Sergachev is a LD and NHL.com has Galchenyuk screaming center. I know it’s a completely different discussion altogether but why are we so sure that trading Pacioretty will fill a need in our lineup. Of course it should but the GM’s brainwaves don’t seem to be connecting with the fan base and their line of thinking. I don’t see us getting a Ryan Johanssen or even a trade involving a Cam Fowler/Jake Muzzin/ ick Leddy for Pacioretty; even if he were signed long term.

If you trade him in the summer, you’re pretty much guaranteeing a lost season next year, unless the return includes some immediate help in addition to futures. I understand everyone cares so much about our team 3 years down the line but for me, that’s a major con against trading him this summer. Galchenyuk was literally the only player who could replace Pacioretty’s scoring and so even though I’m in the minority, if Pacioretty also gets traded, “I’m done*”. *depending on the return

Can’t see Washington repeating next year. You heard it here first. It all started when Trotz resigned.

I agree and thought about it but while I can see Kotkaniemi flourishing into a solid NHLer within 5 years, I don’t see any particular reason why Zadina would progress at any lesser of a rate in those 5 years. It’s possible, but all these things seem like wishful/crystal ball thinking, even on a scout’s part.

I’ll ignore the second part of this comment but here’s to hoping Domi is our new playoff Cammalleri. #13

What incentive does Bergevin have for being honest in this situation?

Assuming those charts are accurate, Kotkaniemi would have had 22 points over an 82 game NHL season last year and Zadina would have had 33 points. Kotkaniemi Math 29 points/57 games .508 poins per game .508x82 games 41.71 points Finnish league is worth .54 of NHL statistics 41.71x0.54 = 22.52 NHL points Zadina Math 82 points/57 games 1.438 points per game 1.438x82 games 117.96 points QMJHL is worth .28 of NHL points 117.96x0.28 = 33.03 NHL points

I still think Zadina is the best player available at 3. Kotkaniemi had 29 points (57 games) in an adult league last year and while that’s not bad, one has to assume the NHL is that much tougher. Zadina is more NHL ready production wise in my own opinion despite Kotkaniemi already having played with grown men. Unlike many, I’ll be surprised if we don’t take Zadina but at this point I just want the draft to be here already.

The problem I have with that plan is that there is no reason that this should have been an option in the first place.

I don’t see it happening with how many picks we have in the second round.

I agree with things like intangibles being a kicker when it comes to a player like Weber who is renown for his leadership but when it comes to Max Domi, I’ll wait to see him crack team Canada before I express amazement at his intangibles being a key component in leading a team to success. He’s willing to drop the gloves and has more grit. It becomes harder and harder to envision that Galchenyuk was also shipped out due to being some sort of cancer and therefore I don’t understand the defense of needing to trade him in the first place, whether or not the other player is of similar value. The only benefit of the doubt I could give is that Galchenyuk would have subtly requested a trade due to not being played at center. In that case, Bergevin did “alright”. As for talking about trading the 3rd pick for 4th/5th pick in joking manner it’s simply a representation that Bergevin has traded a player for another player of almost equal but generally viewed as slightly less value. That’s the way I saw it and it would obviously never happen.

I’m sorry, but you are arguing that a trade is respectable simply because the ppg are only .4 behind. It’s similar to saying we could trade the 3rd pick overall for the 4th, since it’s only one pick behind. The jokes are obvious yet have some truth to them and there simply should be no rational discussion about Bergevin at this point.

It’s not like Galchenyuk doesn’t know how to handle the puck himself.

I think the jokes about Bergevin on this page were just too funny for some people to understand.

I personally think we should trade Domi and the 3rd for Sergachev.

The comparison was not with Galchenyuk. The question was why I think Domi will do better in Montreal than Arizona. I do pick and choose my battles based on real belief because I did not express the same opinion with Drouim once we acquired him. I thought his hype was overblown (his stats will rise because he’s the new Richard or Lafleur) even though he also can be elite. Domi is a worse player than Drouin but I can perfectly see that his numbers will improve from Arizona. One of those reasons is because he is still young. Nothing to do with Galchenyuk or why the trade was made.

I really do think that because of the Arizona factor. People are talking trash about the current version of the Habs and while it may be true, this doesn’t change the fact that Domi sees himself going to an original six franchise with a storied history. Arizona hasn’t been competitive and so it can be hard to get up in the morning in the desert for a non competitive hockey team. I also don’t think he’s out there reading all these negative comments about the Habs. Especially considering he’s part of a deal that led to negative comments. I also mentioned his age. He’s about to hit his prime. As for the coaching, if anything this is the type of player that Julien usually likes. He’s not big, but he’s feisty. If one were to worry that we’re acquiring a specific mould of player based on Julien and Bergevin’s vision, I can agree with that. But I do think Domi fits the type of player Julien may appreciate.

I’m thinking back to the hype of Domi’s rookie season and I can’t help but think that Bergevin is sitting there in his office with a smug smile on his face thinking to himself that the fan base will eventually see how this was a steal for the Habs. I don’t usually like to make up hypothetical scenarios but based on things that Bergevin has said in the past, I can see him really thinking that right now. It’s certainly a possible outcome, but I’m not sure why that would actually be anyone’s expectation at this point.

I dislike the move but I do believe that Domi will do better with us than he did in Arizona. He’s still young.

What I don’t understand is why Bergevin has any say in where a player is slotted into the lineup. Julien seemed to back him up for the most part so either Bergevin has way too much control, or Julien holds the blame as well.

We just traded Galchenyuk for a three inch taller Desharnais/Gallagher/Drouin hybrid. Pacioretty might do well with him.

Looking forward to having Domi. Hate the trade.

Or did you just want to sound as cool as Brian?.... 3 minutes later.

It’s part of the reason I want Zadina, although that doesn’t sound like a very good reason. Names like Kotkaniemi and Hughes are coming up because they are C and LD respectively. Hughes is solid but there are also other good defenseman like Boqvist and Dobson and yet those names are not even considered because they are right shooting D. I believe that it’s a slight exaggeration to say that Zadina and Hughes are 3a and 3b and that this idea has come to fruition since Hughes is an amazing defenseman who happens to have a left handed shot. Zadina is 3-4 Hughes is 4-8 Kotkaniemi is like 5-11 This is how I view it at least. If that makes Hughes or Kotkaniemi and option, alrighty then. It also ignores players like Wahlstrom, Boqvist and Tkachuk who are in a similar group to Hughes.