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Right, now suddenly Sutter and Josi are hall of famers and Weber is a bum for the past 8 years. You didn't see Weber dominating at the olympics in ice time and coaches trust? at all star game after all star game you think those were all fluke appearances? Perhaps his Norris nominations should have gone to his partners instead? This is the type of thing i'm talkin about, people are so emotional about the trade they can't keep any opinion objective when it comes to the Subban trade. Are we seriously trying to say that Weber has not been an elite force on the blue line for the past 5 to 6 years? have we seriously convinced ourselves that Weber is mediocre and has been since the start, that it is actually his partners who make him good and they should get the credit? Are we trying to say it is grand larceny that Sutter has not won a Norris while in Minnesota away from Weber? That Josi doesn't benefit AT ALL from Weber as a partner but Weber reaps all the rewards of playing with Josi? Cause if so then i'm officially mentally checking out from this debate until Weber proves to you people that watching Nashville highlights on Sportscenter is not the same as watching Nashville games night in and night out, watching all he brings to the table as a player for his team. Because quite frankly every hockey person who watches the guy closely has nothing but good things to say about him, but not here, oh no, the tiny island of Montreal has looked through the all seeing mirror, and they see a steaming pile of poop when it comes to what Weber has to offer any hockey club.

This I'm of the opinion that we should see how it all plays out before getting the pitchforks ready to run management out of town. If this team sucks then I'll be right there in the front of the pack but until then, it's not fair to vilify an organization before a single game is played.

Actually, I don't think anyone is disputing that Weber was a top defenseman and that he might still be for a few seasons. I think what has many of us upset is that Weber, if not in decline is one the cusp of decline while Subban has yet to reach his peak. In short, we traded an appreciating asset for a declining one and MB failed to get anything additional back to hedge against the risk of this possibility. Couple that with the fact that we traded one of our top assets and didn't get an elite forward to fill our most glaring need and you have a large # of the fanbase questioning the decision making of our GM. This only ends two ways: one the Habs are an elite team and win the cup before Weber's inevitable decline becomes fact rather than speculation = Bergevin is a genius or (much more likely, many of us fear) we don't win the cup; Weber declines while PK is still starring in Nashville and we are left to bemoan the assinine trade of a top defender a la Langway, Chelios and to a lesser extent McDonagh. That is why people are upset not because we think Weber was useless or is today. Actually, I don't think anyone is disputing that Weber was a top defenseman and that he might still be for a few seasons. I think what has many of us upset is that Weber, if not in decline is one the cusp of decline while Subban has yet to reach his peak. In short, we traded an appreciating asset for a declining one and MB failed to get anything additional back to hedge against the risk of this possibility. Couple that with the fact that we traded one of our top assets and didn't get an elite forward to fill our most glaring need and you have a large # of the fanbase questioning the decision making of our GM. This only ends two ways: one the Habs are an elite team and win the cup before Weber's inevitable decline becomes fact rather than speculation = Bergevin is a genius or (much more likely, many of us fear) we don't win the cup; Weber declines while PK is still starring in Nashville and we are left to bemoan the assinine trade of a top defender a la Langway, Chelios and to a lesser extent McDonagh. That is why people are upset not because we think Weber was useless or is today.