umpalumpa55 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Habs line up in 2 or 3 years Perezhogin Koivu Kovalev Latendresse Higgins Ryder A. Kostitsyn Plekanec S. Kostitsyn Murray Chipchura Begin Locke Ferland Markov Emelin Boullion Souray Dandenault Komisarek Streit Danis Price Just a little speculation :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habschris Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I hope that isn't the line up. There defense is as poor as it is now. Kostitsyn Plekanek Kovalev Lattendresse Arnott Ryder Higgins Chipchura Tough gritty right wing (Ferland maybe) Murray Begin Downey #1 D / markov #3 and 4 D, no current habs #5 D and Komisarek Boillon #7 Price and who ever else they have, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazydoo Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Your number 3 & 4 D is Bouillon, how do you dare putting him as 7th defenceman, he is our second best D after Markov this year and the only one who really plays with heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habschris Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 He is the 2 nd best D on this team, because the rest stink. On any other team he is a #7. Accept Maybe Columbus or St louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 corey locke is way too small to ever play in the nhl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thib46 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 corey locke is way too small to ever play in the nhl Have you heard of a player by the name of Martin St. Louis? He was too small to play in the NHL. Sometimes it is the size of the heart and the bite that is more important than the size of the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umpalumpa55 Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 habschis.....u should be banned for stupidity....boullion is amazing.....he would be 1 or 2 on any other team.........tell me where u get ur crack cuz it must be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habschris Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Really, he was waived by 2 other teams. You can add pittsburgh to the above list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Have you heard of a player by the name of Martin St. Louis? He was too small to play in the NHL. Sometimes it is the size of the heart and the bite that is more important than the size of the player. Yes but if you watched any habs training camp games he did not give it is all. Although no matter what he did he was probably going to get sent down, but the heart and will to make the team was not there. But he may have already been informed he was going to be sent down and just did not want to hurt himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 habschis.....u should be banned for stupidity....boullion is amazing.....he would be 1 or 2 on any other team.........tell me where u get ur crack cuz it must be good Bouillon's "status" (or career projection) is a #6 or #7 defenceman. The truth is that he's easily good enough to be a bottom pairing D and can work as a second pairing d-man with some teams. These are the line-ups I'd expect to see in 3 years. Perezhogin-Mr X-Kovalev Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Ryder Higgins-Chipchura-Latendresse Begin-Koivu-Murray Locke Ferland Markov - Mrs X Souray - Komisarek Emelin - Dandenault O'Byrne (sp?) Bouillon Price/Danis Latendresse won't have the offensive upside that some see in him. He'll be better as a two-way forward than a power forward. He can also play on a checking line whereas Kosty can't so I switched them. I think if Koivu hasn't retired yet, he'll atleast be demoted and Plekanec will be our solid second-line center who is capable of being demoted to a checking line or of playing with Kovy and Zhog. Almost our entire team is prospectcs and our young guys from this season but that's how you build a team - you find your core players and build around them. WIth guys like Latendresse, Chipchura, Ferland, Murray, Plekanec and Higgins, I don't think Sundstrom, Bonk and Bulis will be around. Gainey brought in Bonk so maybe he's in his plans but it's probably only to keep him until Chipchura comes along. Mr X is a big power forward to finish off a skilled top line. On D we have to lose Rivet. He's good but he'll be getting old and we need to make room for Emelin and O'Byrne (if that's even his name - O'something). Bouillon will be too old to hang on to his bottom pairing job. Markov gets a skilled partner to play with him and we're set. I'd like to keep Streit but there's no room for a 30 year old powerplay specialist over top prospects. Theodore's contract will be over and I doubt the Habs will want him. Huet will leave after his contract. A 21-year-old Price will start off as back-up but probably steal the job from Danis later on in the season. Atleast, that's what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazydoo Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Habschris. Bouillon is a good 4 th defenceman or average 3 rd defenceman. He got waived because of his size and no one gave him a real chance. I'd like to add that everytime he was waived; he was also picked up! Look at his stats and be honest with yourself, Bouillon has his spot in this league and not as a 7 th defenceman. Defensively and physically he is dominant in the top 10 for bodychecks if I'm not mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Bouillon's "status" (or career projection) is a #6 or #7 defenceman. The truth is that he's easily good enough to be a bottom pairing D and can work as a second pairing d-man with some teams. These are the line-ups I'd expect to see in 3 years. Perezhogin-Mr X-Kovalev Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Ryder Higgins-Chipchura-Latendresse Begin-Koivu-Murray Locke Ferland Markov - Mrs X Souray - Komisarek Emelin - Dandenault O'Byrne (sp?) Bouillon Price/Danis Latendresse won't have the offensive upside that some see in him. He'll be better as a two-way forward than a power forward. He can also play on a checking line whereas Kosty can't so I switched them. I think if Koivu hasn't retired yet, he'll atleast be demoted and Plekanec will be our solid second-line center who is capable of being demoted to a checking line or of playing with Kovy and Zhog. Almost our entire team is prospectcs and our young guys from this season but that's how you build a team - you find your core players and build around them. WIth guys like Latendresse, Chipchura, Ferland, Murray, Plekanec and Higgins, I don't think Sundstrom, Bonk and Bulis will be around. Gainey brought in Bonk so maybe he's in his plans but it's probably only to keep him until Chipchura comes along. Mr X is a big power forward to finish off a skilled top line. On D we have to lose Rivet. He's good but he'll be getting old and we need to make room for Emelin and O'Byrne (if that's even his name - O'something). Bouillon will be too old to hang on to his bottom pairing job. Markov gets a skilled partner to play with him and we're set. I'd like to keep Streit but there's no room for a 30 year old powerplay specialist over top prospects. Theodore's contract will be over and I doubt the Habs will want him. Huet will leave after his contract. A 21-year-old Price will start off as back-up but probably steal the job from Danis later on in the season. Atleast, that's what I think. You are putting Koivu on the 4th line????? you have Chipchura ahead of him on the depth chart? And dont kid yourself Price should not have gone 5th overall He's no Depietro, Luongo, Letonin, or fleury for that matter. He couldnt even make team Canada as a backup. What makes you think he will be able to be the number 1 goaltender in Montreal as a 21 year old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Also guys i like bouillon too but saying he would be a 3 or 4 d man on most other teams? or like someone else said 1 or 2 on any team???? The guy is 5-8 heart or not he is small. yes he has some nice hits along the boards. Have you ever seen him hit anyone in the open ice? he misses his assignments in front of the net alot of the time. I mean come on markov of this year would be lucky to be a number 1-2 man on most teams. hey i like the guy too but lets be realistic our defence is horrible so one of our middle guys are not gonna be one of the top guys on other teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 FIrst of all the reason why Price didn't make Team Canada is because he's 18 whereas all the other goalies trying out were 19. In those years a player makes big progress. I said that he'd start off the seaosn as a back-up. After getting some NHL experience, he'll be ready to be a starter. No, he's not a top 5 pick for his draft year but he is a top 10 pick. Considering he was drafted in the deepest draft in history, he's about a 5th overall pick in a normal draft. Why Koivu behind Chipchura? Because Chipchura may very possibly be the best third liner in the league someday. He'd make a better thirdliner than Koivu so it makes sense to have Koivu on the fourth. There's no room for Koivu on a scoring line because I expect to have a much better scorer on the first line and those lines are simply full with youth. Or would you rather have Kostitsyn on the fourth line and have a future star never pan out so you can play a veteran who's skills are deteriorating? Plekanec will be better than Koivu in 3 years if he isn't almost as good right now. We're already seeing Koivu get worse and worse but in 3 years? I don't want to lose him and he should captain this team until his retirement but his skills won't match up to his heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 FIrst of all the reason why Price didn't make Team Canada is because he's 18 whereas all the other goalies trying out were 19. In those years a player makes big progress. I said that he'd start off the seaosn as a back-up. After getting some NHL experience, he'll be ready to be a starter. No, he's not a top 5 pick for his draft year but he is a top 10 pick. Considering he was drafted in the deepest draft in history, he's about a 5th overall pick in a normal draft. Why Koivu behind Chipchura? Because Chipchura may very possibly be the best third liner in the league someday. He'd make a better thirdliner than Koivu so it makes sense to have Koivu on the fourth. There's no room for Koivu on a scoring line because I expect to have a much better scorer on the first line and those lines are simply full with youth. Or would you rather have Kostitsyn on the fourth line and have a future star never pan out so you can play a veteran who's skills are deteriorating? Plekanec will be better than Koivu in 3 years if he isn't almost as good right now. We're already seeing Koivu get worse and worse but in 3 years? I don't want to lose him and he should captain this team until his retirement but his skills won't match up to his heart. we are seeing koivu get worse and worse? he is still the most consistant player we have. Nobody on the team gives a better effort on the ice night in and night out. It really isnt his fault that Kovalev doesnt skate and Zednik can only push the puck up the boards and skate really fast after it (what is up with that anyways?) I mean just because The "team" is having a bad year. and pretty much everyone except Markov and some of the rookies (plekanec, Kostitsyn for the little he has played has been good) Perezhogin started well but really faded fast but so did the entire team. Ryder is another bright spot but he is very streaky. he will score a few games in a row then not score for 2 weeks. Over the course of the year though Koivu has been our most consistant player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyhasbeen Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 corey locke is way too small to ever play in the nhl Theo Fluery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Habby2919 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I think BG can maybe turn things around with some trades with other struggling teams. Trade#1 To Chicago: Mike Ribeiro / Craig Rivet / 2nd Round Pick To Habs: Mark Bell / Adrian Aucoin Trade#2 To Panthers: Niklas Sundstum / Radek Bonk / Francis Bouillon / Jose Theodore / 3rd Round Pick To Habs: Nathan Horton / Jay Bouwmeester / Roberto Luongo Finally, see what happens with Samsonov in Boston... Might have a chance at picking him up this off season if nothing works out between them. That would give us lines of.... Alexei Kovalev / Saku Koivu / Sergei Samsonov Nathan Horton / Tomas Plekanec / Michael Ryder Richard Zednik / Steve Begin / Mark Bell Garth Murray / Chris Higgins / Jan Bulis Jay Bouwmeester / Andrei Markov Sheldon Souray / Adrian Aucoin Mike Komisarek / Mathieu Dandenault Roberto Luongo Christobal Huet I know I'll probably catch hell for proposing some of these but i think its doable and could really help. :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 @brboo: Bulis, Bouillon, Begin, Plekanec, Higgins, Murray and Ferland have been more consistent than Koivu. Koivu has the most skilled player in the league on one wing and a possible 40 goal scorer on the other. He has no excuse not to be contributing. He's still a good player but his age is starting to show. In another 3 yars he will either be retired or not good enough to be a scorer in the new NHL. He'll turn into a Dave Dandreychuk or someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch_nl Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Even if the Habs are shitty right now this is the kind of threads that makes it worth it. The Habs have a bright future. Does Kovalev have 3 years left in the NHL? Will Saku Koivu center the first line in 3 years? I think not. This is just speculations but what the heck. Perezhogin - ? - Ryder Higgins - Ribeiro - Latendresse Plekanec - Chipchura - Kostitsyn Kostitsyn - Begin - Murray Markov - ? Komisarek - Boullion Emelin - Dandenault Theodore Danis Price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I think BG can maybe turn things around with some trades with other struggling teams. Trade#1 To Chicago: Mike Ribeiro / Craig Rivet / 2nd Round Pick To Habs: Mark Bell / Adrian Aucoin Trade#2 To Panthers: Niklas Sundstum / Radek Bonk / Francis Bouillon / Jose Theodore / 3rd Round Pick To Habs: Nathan Horton / Jay Bouwmeester / Roberto Luongo Finally, see what happens with Samsonov in Boston... Might have a chance at picking him up this off season if nothing works out between them. That would give us lines of.... Alexei Kovalev / Saku Koivu / Sergei Samsonov Nathan Horton / Tomas Plekanec / Michael Ryder Richard Zednik / Steve Begin / Mark Bell Garth Murray / Chris Higgins / Jan Bulis Jay Bouwmeester / Andrei Markov Sheldon Souray / Adrian Aucoin Mike Komisarek / Mathieu Dandenault Roberto Luongo Christobal Huet I know I'll probably catch hell for proposing some of these but i think its doable and could really help. :hlogo: Not gonna happen Why would Fla give up possibly 3 of the best young players in the league how does this trade help them? and i dont think BG is going to be able to get mark bell out of chicago at least not for ribeiro rivet and a pick i really cant see anyone giving up anything of value for ribs he just gets pushed off the puck too easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 @ch_nl: Kovalev was signed this past summer for 4 years. And why Ribeiro but not Koivu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 (edited) @brboo: Bulis, Bouillon, Begin, Plekanec, Higgins, Murray and Ferland have been more consistent than Koivu. Koivu has the most skilled player in the league on one wing and a possible 40 goal scorer on the other. He has no excuse not to be contributing. He's still a good player but his age is starting to show. In another 3 yars he will either be retired or not good enough to be a scorer in the new NHL. He'll turn into a Dave Dandreychuk or someone. Ok Begin Played well in the first month but what has he done in the past 2? Bulis has recently started to play well but he misses the net on at least 3-4 good scoring chances per game to say that is consistant is technically correct but consistantly blowing scoring chances is not the type of consistancy i meant Murray, Ferland, Higgins have played well in spurts and then disappeared for long stretches Plekanec is gonna be a star someday and he has played well But to suggest Koivu is done because his linemates arent giving it their all whats up with that theres no way you can tell me that kovalev is giving it 100% every shift yes i will give you the fact that he is one of the most talented players in the world but the key is... only when he wants to be. other times you dont even notice him on the ice. Not to mention the fact that he is averaging a pt/game and has the best plus minus on the team seems like declining skill to me Edited January 25, 2006 by brboo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I think BG can maybe turn things around with some trades with other struggling teams. Trade#1 To Chicago: Mike Ribeiro / Craig Rivet / 2nd Round Pick To Habs: Mark Bell / Adrian Aucoin Trade#2 To Panthers: Niklas Sundstum / Radek Bonk / Francis Bouillon / Jose Theodore / 3rd Round Pick To Habs: Nathan Horton / Jay Bouwmeester / Roberto Luongo Finally, see what happens with Samsonov in Boston... Might have a chance at picking him up this off season if nothing works out between them. That would give us lines of.... Alexei Kovalev / Saku Koivu / Sergei Samsonov Nathan Horton / Tomas Plekanec / Michael Ryder Richard Zednik / Steve Begin / Mark Bell Garth Murray / Chris Higgins / Jan Bulis Jay Bouwmeester / Andrei Markov Sheldon Souray / Adrian Aucoin Mike Komisarek / Mathieu Dandenault Roberto Luongo Christobal Huet I know I'll probably catch hell for proposing some of these but i think its doable and could really help. :hlogo: You honestly think that 2nd trade is possible? Your nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Will Koivu stick around if he is a 4th liner? Will he be effective as a 4th liner? I believe the answer to both questions is an emphatic no! As for the future yes it may be bright but I have been hearing that forever in Montreal. For 7 or 8 years the Habs and Habs fans alike have all said 2 or 3 years and we will be a contender. You can never tell how prospects will turn out, I guess all we have the power to do is hope and pray to the Habs gods that at least a few will at least meet expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Habby2919 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 You honestly think that 2nd trade is possible? Your nuts Why nuts? Bonk and Sundstrum are considered to be good defensive forwards... Bouillon is in my mind a #4 Dman and Theo is a goaltender that some teams are willing to trade 3 or 4 players for.. plus the draft pick just sweetens the deal some. :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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