koivu-11 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Alright dispite all these players that signed for big bucks and long years the habs have been doing a good job not losing anyone and signing who they need before people can pick them up. I still say Zednik will stay in montreal, For his price why not? he can still be a threat. This is what i see the projected line up beeing. and i hope its how it goes. Perezhogin - koivu - Kovalev Kostitsyn - Ribiero - Samsonov Higgins - Plekanec - Zednik Murray - Bonk - Begin Souray - Bouillon Markov - Komisarek Rivet - Streit Huet Danis I would love to see latendress come up and if samsonov isnt with us change for latendress ryder screw him lol kostitsyn owns perezhogin gets his damn chance higgins i unno i had to put him somehwere. What would u guys do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thib46 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Alright dispite all these players that signed for big bucks and long years the habs have been doing a good job not losing anyone and signing who they need before people can pick them up. I still say Zednik will stay in montreal, For his price why not? he can still be a threat. This is what i see the projected line up beeing. and i hope its how it goes. Perezhogin - koivu - Kovalev Kostitsyn - Ribiero - Samsonov Higgins - Plekanec - Zednik Murray - Bonk - Begin Souray - Bouillon Markov - Komisarek Rivet - Streit Huet Danis I would love to see latendress come up and if samsonov isnt with us change for latendress ryder screw him lol kostitsyn owns perezhogin gets his damn chance higgins i unno i had to put him somehwere. What would u guys do. I do not understand the reason to leave Ryder out of the picture? What has he done wrong, he scores and he does make an occasional defensive play, I do not give away 30 goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nasty Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) I would love to have another Centre in their but it doesn't look like it is gonna happen. This line-up doesn't look bad but let's hope everyone stays healthy. Higgins - Koivu - Ryder Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev Perezhogin - Bonk - Zednik Murray - Begin - Laraque Souray - Rivet Markov - Komisarek Bouillion - Dandenault Huet Aebischer Edited July 5, 2006 by Mr. Nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St-Patrick Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 i'd trade ryder if the price was right... he's a liability in the defensive zone especially along da boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycing Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Higgins - Koivu - Ryder UFA/Kostitsyn - Ribiero - Kovalev Perezhogin - Plekanec - Zednik Murray - Bonk - Begin Downey Dandenault - Rivet Markov - Komisarek Bouillon - Souray Streit Huet Aebischer I'd mostly want to see Shanahan on that 2nd line with Ribs and Kovalev. That line needs the presence of a power forward to make room for the two finess players. Samsonov would be nice too, but I don't see us signing him because we have those type of players in the system (Kostitsyn & Perezhogin). Shanahan would be a great fit until Latendresse is ready to make the team. I'd like to keep Aebischer around just incase Huet doesn't repeat his performance or gets injured. The team in general was very good last year down the stretch, so I really can't see there being any big changes at the time being. I figure the main changes will occur as some of the younger guys start to hit their stride and make a name for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koivu-11 Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Ryder is that average player 16 goals on the PP with out the PP hes nothing so we can have young guys on the PP but perezhogin in on the third you cant your going to turn him into a defensive specialist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycing Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Ryder is that average player 16 goals on the PP with out the PP hes nothing so we can have young guys on the PP but perezhogin in on the third you cant your going to turn him into a defensive specialist! Who said the 3rd line is a defensive one? ... It's more of a "responsible" line. BTW, where's Dandenault in your line-up? Press box? Do you think Streit will outplay him next season? (Not disagreeing with you, just wondering if you forgot him or not ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koivu-11 Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Dandeunalt will be either traded or behind streit, streit just needs to adapt when he gets to his potential he will be a nice addition to our club. and in montreal 3rd and 4th lines are usualy defensive, and carb (defensive specialist ) .....yea what els to expect lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Well if we get Shanahan, then Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Perezhogin is quite the sneaky third line. Offensively explosive, yet not a defensive liability. Loads of skill, youth and speed. I'd love to see that line go with Rivet and Dandenault backing them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycing Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Dandeunalt will be either traded or behind streit, streit just needs to adapt when he gets to his potential he will be a nice addition to our club. and in montreal 3rd and 4th lines are usualy defensive, and carb (defensive specialist ) .....yea what els to expect lol. Still, it's the new NHL, and the trap is more or less a dying style. What Carbonneau will implement (well, what I think he will anyway), will be a team defense. Everyone will have to make sure they cover their spots. However, with the amound of offensive potential he team has, I wouldn't be surprised to see them ice 3 offensive lines, with the Begin/Bonk/Murray line more of a grind/energy line. Both the Tampa Bay Lightning and Carolina Hurricanes have boasted this offensive type of hockey, and obviously had great success with it. Also, I agree that Streit has a good shot at snagging a roster spot next season, as he did seem to approve over time last season. However, Dandenault will have to play badly if he's to lose a spot, as I found he played quite well for us last season. (Then again, I kinda like all of our defenseman, so it's hard to imagine either of them losing their spot, heh.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEEP26 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 (edited) I do not understand the reason to leave Ryder out of the picture? What has he done wrong, he scores and he does make an occasional defensive play, I do not give away 30 goals. i agree 100 %, ryder is far down on the list of player that need to be gone. Edited July 6, 2006 by KEEP26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I'll do mine with the current players we have. Throwing hypothetical aquisition leads to "fantasy" scenarios where half the team is traded for a bag of pucks. Higgins - Ribeiro - Kovalev > Higgins brings the 2-way forechecking that line needs. Perezhogin/Kostitsyn - Koivu - Ryder > Rotate the two kids on the LW. Either they win or they force Zed to play himself on the top line. Begin - Plekanec - Zednik > could be a pain to play against Murray - Bonk - Downey/Ferland > Good checking 4th line with energy on the wings. Markov - Rivet Souray - Dandeneault Bouillon - Komisarek. Huet Danis If Downey/Ferland doesnt do a good enough job, Carbo could still dress Streit and use Dandeneault on the RW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEEP26 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 i'd trade ryder if the price was right... he's a liability in the defensive zone especially along da boards. so is about half the team, at least we can get 30 goals out of him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 so is about half the team, at least we can get 30 goals out of him.. Half the team? You can count the defensive liabilities on one hand and Ryder comes right after Ribeiro. Not that Ryder needs to be dealt in any way. I wouldn't even be shopping him if I were Gainey (he isn't shopping him either, obviously). Just saying that he's overrated by Habs fans as he's slow, bad defensively, not all that physical, pretty weak 5-on-5 and a one-dimensional player with not much other than a good shot (along with a work ethic). The closest thing to a goalscorer we have though so we need him. He's also our only right shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St-Patrick Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 ryder really just annoys me when the puck gets in his skates.. he always loses the battle and cant seem to get da puck out of our zone in a proper break out when the d drives da puck by da boards. i hope he realizes this n PRACTICES his break out when dat pucks his his skates right by da hashmarks. I do love his scoring touch tho, he knows where da holes are n makes goalies look bad putting it where they least expect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 He's the best unheralded prospect to come out of Montreal's system since Andrei Markov. I remember how he came outta nowhere to be in the running for the Calder and finally give Montreal at least one player who could score 20+ goals. So give Ryder some respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 He's the best unheralded prospect to come out of Montreal's system since Andrei Markov. I remember how he came outta nowhere to be in the running for the Calder and finally give Montreal at least one player who could score 20+ goals. So give Ryder some respect. 1) Coming out of nowhere doesn't mean you're a great player. 2) Scoring 20-30 goals doesn't mean you're a greta player. 3) Being ranked #2 in all rookies behind Andrew Raycroft doesn't mean you're a great player. Ryder is an average player with a great skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalHab Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Higgins/Koivu/Ryder __?__/ Bonk/Kovalev Perez/Plex/Murray Ferland,Kosty or lapierre/ Begin/downey souray/rivet/komi/cube/dandy/markov wouldn't mind samsonov with kovy and Bonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 1) Coming out of nowhere doesn't mean you're a great player. 2) Scoring 20-30 goals doesn't mean you're a greta player. 3) Being ranked #2 in all rookies behind Andrew Raycroft doesn't mean you're a great player. Ryder is an average player with a great skill. Naturally he's hardly a star in any way shape or form. But he's good at what he does, and he does it fairly consistently...So.. he's alright in my books. Not exactly the reason we haven't won the Cup yet. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komisarek the Cruncher Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Higgins - Koivu - Ryder UFA/Kostitsyn - Ribiero - Kovalev Perezhogin - Plekanec - Zednik Murray - Bonk - Begin Downey Dandenault - Rivet Markov - Komisarek Bouillon - Souray Streit Huet Aebischer I'd mostly want to see Shanahan on that 2nd line with Ribs and Kovalev. That line needs the presence of a power forward to make room for the two finess players. Samsonov would be nice too, but I don't see us signing him because we have those type of players in the system (Kostitsyn & Perezhogin). Shanahan would be a great fit until Latendresse is ready to make the team. I'd like to keep Aebischer around just incase Huet doesn't repeat his performance or gets injured. The team in general was very good last year down the stretch, so I really can't see there being any big changes at the time being. I figure the main changes will occur as some of the younger guys start to hit their stride and make a name for themselves. Right on man. Exactly my line up and the one we will have. Look at the playoffs guys, we will have similar lines. Perez-Plek-Zed was awesome in the playoffs, they were our best line. Higgins-Koivu-Ryder was dynamite at the end of the season. If we can get Shanahan to support Ribs and Kovy, we wil have a very good team. Ryder is that average player 16 goals on the PP with out the PP hes nothing so we can have young guys on the PP but perezhogin in on the third you cant your going to turn him into a defensive specialist! In the "new" NHL, the PP is very important and Ryder is our only "pure" goal scorer. Can't have all 21 guys to be good defensively. Ryder is extremely valuable to us. People seem to forget that he played with an herniated disc all season last year. If back to being healty, he could be a gritty and energic as he was before the lockout. Dandeunalt will be either traded or behind streit, streit just needs to adapt when he gets to his potential he will be a nice addition to our club. and in montreal 3rd and 4th lines are usualy defensive, and carb (defensive specialist ) .....yea what els to expect lol. Dandenault was rock solid in the playoffs. Played much better under Gainey then Julien. At 1.7M$, trust me, he will play. I want to keep an expereinces guy like him who's rock solid in the playoffs and as Cup experience. Streit is nothing more then a 7th D. 1) Coming out of nowhere doesn't mean you're a great player. 2) Scoring 20-30 goals doesn't mean you're a greta player. 3) Being ranked #2 in all rookies behind Andrew Raycroft doesn't mean you're a great player. Ryder is an average player with a great skill. How people quickly forget. He was much better in his rookie season. Do you know what a herniated disk his? Probably not because it fuc..ing hurts and takes the wind out of you, and Ryder played with one all season long last year. He was a very intense player is rookie season, winning most battles along the boards. Also, it was is 2nd season. He will come back with a vengeance this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I'm alright with Ryder. Although I dont think he's as great as some fans believe (Team Canada worthy? pleeease...) and I agree with those who pointed his shortcomings, however if a goalscorer is opportunistic and consistent, it often can more than make up for his otherwise lack of game. Just look at Brett Hull for example. Guys who are all about offense can be good for a team, even if they are defficient in their own zone; just as long as they show up when it matters. I think Ryder's of that kind so I can live with him. He's a sniper who's always dangerous, and God knows those types can make a difference IF they are consistent and opportunistic. That's one of the key difference between Ryder and a guy like Zednik, for example. Both are not the most efficient defensively and are otherwise only useful when scoring goals. Zed can be opportunistic but lacks consitency. He's also not a true sniper. He doesn't have the effortless release and accuracy that Ryder has on his shot. In the end though, you can only really have one sniper like Ryder on your roster, and at most 2 or 3 offensive-only guys like him in your top 6 forwards. Your other 2-3 top forwards needs to be more complete offensively and defensively. That's why, for now, Ryder seems to fit the 2nd-line better but until other kids develop more, Habs are likely to rely on him maybe more than they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalHab Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Ryder reminds me of Tim Kerr minus the toughness .....main skill being the quick release of shots while in traffic (which should not be underestimated) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 How people quickly forget. He was much better in his rookie season. Do you know what a herniated disk his? Probably not because it fuc..ing hurts and takes the wind out of you, and Ryder played with one all season long last year. He was a very intense player is rookie season, winning most battles along the boards. Also, it was is 2nd season. He will come back with a vengeance this year. You're right. I don't remember much from his rookie season and wouldn't be able to tell you how good he was defensively. But what I do know is that he didn't show it this year, that a lot of players had injuries all season long and played through them greatly (Higgins, for example) and that the sophomore jinx isn't a good excuse for why a guy hasn't been all that or agressive or good defensively. What's weird is that Ryder was a grinder in Juniors, so you'd expect him to be a power forward (or atleast a physical one) now that he's become offensive. He must have been quite the crap grinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komisarek the Cruncher Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 (edited) You're right. I don't remember much from his rookie season and wouldn't be able to tell you how good he was defensively. But what I do know is that he didn't show it this year, that a lot of players had injuries all season long and played through them greatly (Higgins, for example) and that the sophomore jinx isn't a good excuse for why a guy hasn't been all that or agressive or good defensively. What's weird is that Ryder was a grinder in Juniors, so you'd expect him to be a power forward (or atleast a physical one) now that he's become offensive. He must have been quite the crap grinder. Not that he was awesome defensively, never will be, but he had grit and looked much more energetic on the ice compared to last year. He was sort of a powar forward, without the crushing bodychecks, but was rough along the boards and would win most of his battles. As for playing injured, honestly, a herniated disk is hell. I give him a thumbs up for playing all year with this injury and still managing to score 30 goals. You can't compare that to the bumbs and bruises the guys get along a season, Ryder gets those also. I agree that the sophomore jinx is stupid and is not an excuse. I just wanted to point out that sometimes players do have bad seasons for whatever reasons. If is disk if fine this year, whatch him go and you will see why I'm so high on him and I'm still willing to give him a another year or 2 before saying that is a bum and that we should get rid of him. 30 goals is not something we can afford to turn our back to right now. Maybe in a year or 2 when the young guys have proven to be legit goal scorers. Edited July 6, 2006 by Komisarek the Cruncher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koivu-11 Posted July 6, 2006 Author Share Posted July 6, 2006 Ok well Dandenault can get a spot but during the season (not playoffs) he wasnt so out standing and i really would give streit a good bunch of games hes a force and when he was playing in the olympics you saw it! And ryder cammon 30 goals YAY 16 on PP! and how many more chances does he have, i say hes good but well see since he had an injury i heard nothing about this year. and i rather have perezhogin on the PP with kostitsyn because i know perez and kost will be on 3rd lines for sure and not get a second and first line spot very ofthen so i would lie it for them to get experiance and get a lot of confidence unlike what perezhogin had last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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