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  1. Subban is a very talented individual who builds his brand. This does not fit the current management nor has it ever actually. So he is out Weber is in. let's move on.
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  2. I hope you're wrong; PR is a terrible basis for making decisions about player development. Given that the bizarre decision to trade Subban is probably explicable in part due to non-hockey factors, there are grounds to wonder.
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  3. Chicago almost got him but reportedly they wanted the Oilers to retain salary on the deal. St. Louis was fine with taking a chance on him. Time will tell if he's a Paajarvi or a Steen.
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  4. No, he is saying that he doesn't think the main reason he was traded was for the way he plays hockey. He believes that his versus Weber's personality is what lead to the trade. Basically, If Subban had Subban's game, but Weber's personality, this trade wouldn't have happened.
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  5. Awesome post man, couldn't agree more. Subban recently said himself he believed this wasn't a hockey trade, but a personality trade. I think this holds a lot of truth. Love Weber. But Nashville is in for a treat. I'll never understand the Subban hate I saw from habs fans after the trade. Not trying to spark the trade debate, just saying regardless of where he is, Subban is a rare gem
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  6. Since we're talking about personality and how it relates to the trade, for me it's as simple as this. During the ordeal, Bergevin made a statement that people outside of the organization, including Ray Ferraro, don't know everything. If the statement is true, he was clearly indicating what Subban is confirming with his "personality trade" statement. Being a professional athlete & coach myself, I've been through similar things and I can tell you that it's difficult to keep your mouth shut when you feel as though management has treated you like crap. You want to tell someone. For that reason and based on his statements I believe that he had heard things in the past from management about things relating to his personality and public persona. He continued to be himself which I can actually respect (depending on whether or not things he did rubbed his teammates the wrong way) and management showed him the door. The other side of the spectrum would be that Bergevin lied when he said we as fans don't know everything because he knew the majority of fans wouldn't swallow anything else. I don't know why any of us would want this to be the case because then the organization has some serious issues. There hasn't been enough evidence to suggest that this is the case. To sum up, while I can understand that some people would laugh at those who blindly follow management without question, I could see a situation where Subban being moved was a decision that has been welcomed with open arms to those within the organization. Including many teammates. That's before getting into the discussion of what Weber brings to the team.
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  7. Ray Ferraro was discussing this on Vancouver radio yesterday. Asked about whether Subban is the NHL's equivalent of Reggie Jackson, he replied that Jackson was insufferably arrogant, and nothing in Subban's persona suggests arrogance; he went on to say that 'in a league that is devoid of personality' it's good to have PK Subban. I couldn't agree more with this. Your accusation that he is 'unprofessional' is predicated upon the very model of 'professionalism' as personality-free humourlessness and utter negation of individuality that makes the NHL today so dreary. Subban represent a different model, a much more 'Millennial' model that allows for character and self-expression while also bringing it every single shift, game in and game out. I suspect that as time passes, the dominant NHL model is going to become less and less palatable to younger generations, because it's a completely hide-bound all-controlling 'corporate' approach. Unless hockey culture can accommodate itself to the Subbans of the world, it eventually risks turning into the CFL - locked into older demographics that think self-expression and creative individuality are things to be punished. As for the "GHG Subban is gone, who cares about him" philosophy, I can see it...but the same reasoning would also have said, "Roy and Keane are gone, Thibault and Ruscinsky and Kovalenko are here, rah rah rah, go team go!!!!" No, I'm not trying to say that Weber is a bad player or that this trade is the equivalent of that one (it ain't). But the mentality that says "GTG no matter what!!!" is too mindless for me. Subban's the coolest dude in all of hockey and we traded him away for what is basically a lateral hockey move (in the immediate term). Those who dislike the 'automaton' model of hockey will dislike the trade on a 'personality' level and what it represents, and so will be unwilling to just blindly sing hosannahs to the gods of MB and MT. And that's without getting into the debate on a purely 'hockey' level.
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  8. I'm personally of the belief that the organization wants Sergachev to have every chance to succeed as early as possible to make people forget about Subban. I got no proof of it. Just my hunch. Bergevin packed the organization with third line defencemen only to try and play Sergachev as an 18 year old. Just doesn't pass the smell test to me for this organization's previous moves. Therrien is already spinning him as having his best games when he's clearly having issues, the kind of ignorance he usually leaves for David Desharnais. I'll wear the tinfoil for this one happily.
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  9. Since when did a players personality become separate from him when he is traded? That makes very little sense, unless maybe are trading Daniel for Henrik Sedin. So is Subban insinuating he and Weber brings the exact same game, are exact same in leadership, with teammates, with the coaches, etc, or is that all simply personality and has zero to do with Habs being more successful or not?
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