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These are basically the GMs I have some memory of. I was alive for the last cup win and tail end of Serge Savard but I don't have any memory of it... Rejean Houle: 1995-2000 Andre Savard: 2000-2003 Bob Gainey: 2003-2010 Pierre Gauthier: 2010-2012 Marc Bergevin: 2012-2021 In my mind they go like this... Can't decide on Gainey/Bergevin but then A. Savard, Gauthier, Houle. Thoughts? For some reason A. Savard doesn't have a real place in my memory. Top Two Bergevin - hey got a cup final and a conference final - gifted most his core though by Gainey drafts - failed to ultimately build a real contender - sweeeeeet trades - very less sweet development - very enjoyable media presence after Gauthier and all that shit. For what that's worth. Gainey - it's kinda hard to rate him because of rumors he delegated a lot due to the tragic passing of his daughter. - But anyways trades/signings. The Gomez trade has to be balanced out by the Patches/George's trade. Plus that culture purge to move on from Kovalev/Komi/Higgins/Lats to give Price a better environment and signing Gionta/Gomez/Cammalleri. Led to the Halak run, one of my favourite hockey memories. - drafting... Best of anyone on the list. Sure missed some 1st round picks but strong depth drafting. The Other Guy A. Savard I mean acquiring Gilmour was hilarious to see leaf fans get upset... God Why Did You Happen Gauthier - I hate this man. All the negativity from former players about his time as GM... Spacek, Gill, Cammalleri. Everyone was saying it. - trading up to draft tinordi, the Halak trade and apperent lack of shopping... - also just seemed like a miserable human lol Houle - I think we all know, as much as I have immense distain for Gauthier. Houle was something else. Oh the trades... Roy, Recchi VinnyD, Tucker, ROY.... Missing on like every 1st round choice... Yikes.

True. Dealing with that ownership would take years off his life.

Think the ownership group would be to proud to hand the team over to Linden of Rutherford runs for the hills?

Hockey reference I believe

Sorry I knew the difference in Fenwick Corsi. I meant I was surprised to see it reflect better on Kova when the others favor Romanov.

Figure this is the right thread for this question/comparison. I haven't been able to watch much hockey at all this season. So, I'm curious about Kovacevic vs Romanov. Roman - Kova GP: 52 - 46 TOI: 20.0 - 16.4 G/a: 1-15 - 1-5 Both have basically the same zone usage and play PK. Advanced Stats Expected Goals for Against difference. Kova -6.3 Roman -4.0 PDO Kova 99.8 Roman 101.6 Corsi/Fenwick (even strength) Kova +3.4/+2.5 Roman -3/-2.6 Seems like Romanov is just a better Kova... But what's with the Corsi/Fenwick? How interchangeable are they?

So I'd the verdict that Jayden Struble is donezo as a prospect? Even still... Guhle, Harris, Xhejak, Hudson, Barron, Mailloux + the unlikely Stumble/Norlinder... Oh and Kove.. that's a very very good core of dmen prospects... Though I'm starting to fall into the Mailloux won't make it camp. Offense is there but the defense + penalty issue is sketchy. I still have faith in Barron being a reliable 5 who will be able to jump up if needed for stretches. Guhle-Hudson (any chance he plays Rd haha) Harris-Barron r Xhejak-Kovech r

Teasdale in three straight! I'm going to keep hoping he can recover from all the injuries and be a 4th liner 😛

I was just going through random draft picks. Two names made me curious. Brett Lernout (27 now) - remember him being a solid ahler. But after he left us he played 38 then 12 games in pandemic seasons. Nothing in 21-22 or 22-23... Casey Staum (25 now)- 2016 5th rounder. Played a bit of USHL then 11 games in NCAA. Nothing since. Anyone know what happened there? Did the pandemic just end guys careers?

Broberg is very frustrating to watch. He is very good at skating... But doesn't seem capable of doing anything else. The amount of times I've seen him skate himself into trouble... It's shocking. I want no part of that player. Maybe he clicks but I wouldn't bet on it.

He is 21 and hasn't played a lot of hockey over the past few years. 18 - 19-20 in q 34/62 due to blood clot issues (no skating BC blades + blood thinners are no bueno... not sure on working out) 19 - 20-21 mainly in q 40 games total due to pandemic. 20 - 21-22 mainly in ahl only 48 games and an April ankle injury which probably impacted his offseason. He will need more time to season. Great skater, offensive upside, solid frame to put weight on. He should be fine.

I think he could revive himself in PHX. Having zero pressure whatsoever may save his career.

Realistically our five rookie dmen... Where do they project? 1 pairing - Guhle 2 pairing - Barron/Harris 3 Pairing - Kovavic (have really not seen him enough to know) Christ who knows - Xhejak So for development we kinda want want a solid minute guy for the 1st pairing at least? Im not sure if either Edmonston is the best fit with his back issues. I'd say moving him now is for the best.

How did Barron look?

And there it is

I also hold almost no hope for a Drouin trade... I also hope more three way retention trades happen. Maybe it hasn't happened yet because GMs collective hesitancy to start using a tool which will lead to future all ins being even more expensive in terms of picks or owners not interested in basically paying for late low chance of success picks. The dam will break eventually.

We really are lucky that our young have held there own at the NHL level with all our injuries to vets. Easily could have expected at least one or two to falter and lose all confidence. Also, the Kovacevic waiver pickup really has been great.

That fourth line is quite odd haha

I guess I wasn't clear in my earlier posts. I was trying to find possible moves for each player. That doesn't mean they are the best moves. I wasn't focusing on Appleton because I want him. He just was the expendable player that has SOME potential value next season to flip for a mid round pick. Having a bottom six guy next year to play harder defensive minutes then flip for a 4-5th isn't a terrible move. IF you can't find a use for your retention spots. Also I find it very hard to believe we will be using all three of our retention slots this deadline without one on Drouin. I 100% do not mean to be rude but you say these three way retention trades are increasing... They aren't as far as I can tell. 2020: 1 Lehner, 2021: 3 Janmark, Foligno, Savard. 2022: 1 Domi. Basically there was one year where it happened more. It will take off in the future but not yet. Maybe it's GM's not liking helping out the teams or owners arent into taking on salary just yet due to lost revenues (yes they are high now but maybe they are still hesitant). I guess I don't see why the idea of losing one of our retention spot for the 1 or 2 deals that might use it when there are likely 10 other teams capable. Makes a retaining Drouin trade a terrible idea. Sure the Winnipeg one might be not great but i don't see any other team that would be vaguely interested. So realistically Drouin probably is just going to hang with us the rest the season.

I really just don't want to have lost sergachev for nothing haha. At least a 4th round pick next year will give hope of a future hahaha.

Salary caps are tight atm so in theory retaining salary slots are valuable but we didn't see a lot of third party retaining on trades at the previous deadline, despite the hype. If memory serves. So I'm not honestly concerned about using slots for single year retainment when we have three open atm. On Drouin. I think there are very few options out there. the only opportunity to get something from Drouin is 50% retained. So I was thinking of replacing guys on a team that have a $2.75M cap hit and aren't fitting. Appleton makes sense to me because Winnipeg has a offensive winger hole in their top six, a top six that is basically just given offensive zone starts. Plus Winnipeg's bottom six has been fine without him, new young guys playing well, and he's having the rough season advanced stat wise. For a move like that I thought a guy in management or coaching who may have faith in Drouin (I imagine no upstairs manager likes him from Tampa, Habs or Halifax times from holdouts and disappointing play here) so that leaves coaches from TB or HFX... Hence Bowness mattering. I think that's our best shot at something in return. Then next year we flip Appleton retained. He is an NHLr who gets shots in close and is defensively responsible. He will get grabbed at 1.1M next trade deadline. Plus his rough season is mainly in the context of being slightly overpaid and a 4 SH% so retaining and him shooting average could get us a 4th next year? (Probably more than we'd get for Drouin). And Apple won't take top six minutes away from our young forwards (like Hoffmann or Drouin) to showcase. Anyways I think that may be the best bet for Drouin? I couldn't find anything else haha.

Oh yah obviously a 1st minimum. Appleton would be basically viewed as a piece to flip next year or the year after. I'm just trying to see what potential trade partners exist to stimulate conversation.

In terms of coaching connections... Since who coaches trust always matters. Drouin Rick Bowness in Winnipeg was an associate coach with Tampa during drouins entire tenure. If the relationship was good or bad dunno. One of his assistant coaches from Halifax days is an assistant with the Rangers now. But a big city really doesn't seem like the best option for Drouin. -------------- Hoffmann Well obviously some issues here... Can't imagine anyone from Ottawa days has much good to say. I remember it going well in St Louis. Luke Richardson coached him in AHL when Hoffmann led the baby sens in scoring and in Montreal. But Chicago can't be interested obviously. If it wasn't all bad in St. Louis... They may need help but... otherwise their old assistant Jim Montgomery is in Boston? -------------- Hoffmann/Dadanov from Florida days Both scored a ton in 18-19 together. Coaches from that team are now assistants with Detroit, Ottawa (lol for both them), Seattle. Then there was a huge overhaul of coaching staff that next season... Season after both were out of Florida so I don't think that next crew likes them. I don't think Detroit is buying yet... But Seattle? Maybe one of Hoffmann or Dadanov could find a home with a good word from Paul MacFarland? Anyone know of the relationship there? -------------- Josh Anderson Torts: good ol'torts had Anderson when he neted 27 but also when he got traded to the Habs for Domi. Plus Philly likely isn't buying... But maybe they will go crazy! Fletcher time baby? Josh Bednar: yah so Bednar was Anderson's head coach in Lake Erie in 15-16... One of the assistants from that team is also with Colorado. Maaaaaybe they call us at the deadline again? Perhaps something could work if we take umm... Erik Johnson, trade them Anderson then retain on Edmonston?

So... Some trade deadline conversation anyone? I know it's early but whatever The guys we 100% expect to see moved if there is a buyer... are. Expiring Contracts: Drouin/Byron: if either look like they can skate again. Dadanov: if he... Actually looks like he's an NHLr again Monahan: assuming he's healthy.. he'll go for a good price. Then other possibilities... 2y: Mike Hoffmann - i think he is too pricey and inconsistent for 2 years. Next year if he doesn't suck he'll go. Wideman - doubt it but who knows teams love playoff defense depth. Edmonston - honestly doubt it. Don't think he's played well enough for a team to bite. Injury problems with another year left. Also Habs may want to keep the vet around the young guys. Longer term: Anderson - value is down but teams were interested... Maybe Habs more willing to sell? basically... With for the majority of guys we want moved (Hoffmann, Dadanov, Drouin). We are looking for a trade partner that needs scoring. So I'm going to focus on forwards. Monahan to a team with center depth issues. Anderson well that's a different conversation completely. ----------------------------------- Quick glance potential partners with scoring issues. Currently bubble who are all in: Calgary, Carolina, Washington. Currently bubble who may buy: Nashville. Teams that look solid but may want offense: Winnipeg. Others: I imagine Colorado will just wait out injuries and that Minnesota is coasting during the Suter/Parise cap hell seasons. ------------------------ Winnipeg: they will get Ehlers and Appleton back but I think they'd want another forward incase of a top six injury. They have the cap space. They really heavily dedicate their top six to offensive zone starts and their bottom six to defensive zone starts. However some advanced stats indicate they may be better served upgrading one of the wingers they always start in the defensive zone ie: Morgan Barron or Saku Maenalanen. I think you see the team maybe move Mason Appleton when healthy and that would set them up with almost 5M in free cap for a big forward pickup. The way they give their top six heavy offensive zone starts could benefit guys like Hoffmann or Drouin/Dadanov (if they are relevant by then). Hell maybe they will think bringing Drouin in will help convince Dubois the bright lights aren't great hahaha. Maybe a larger deal could be possible here. MTL: Drouin + Monahan retained 50%. WIN: Appleton + picks and whatever Though given Winnipeg's fragile LR... A Drouin or Hoffmann may not be very intriguing haha. ------------------------ Nashville: they don't really have the expiring contracts to be a good seller this year. So I think they make moves to try and compete. Minnesota will lose their spot in the central to Colorado... But I could see one of Dallas or Winnipeg's resurgence not continuing. If that happens Nashville definitely buys. They'd want a top six winger to push Colton Sissons down. Sissons has taken a lot of draws but Grandlund/Johansen I imagine are their 1/2 centers. Grandlund just sucks as faceoffs so maybe Sissons has been taking some for him? Regardless I really think Monahan could end up in Nashville. Solid fit. Lower chance they take Drouin on a bargain deal if they want to make a move but not spend much. No solid ties between the other guys to Poille or Hynes. ------------------------ Calgary: there is history between our teams and they have lots of picks. But none of the expiring wingers fit a Suter team and they have great center depth. Maybe Anderson? His contract fits the window of their team and I could see a world where a Suter system would give him the structure to be more consistent. Were they interested before? They'd have to move Lucic to a different team (m-ntc so won't be us). Which they have the assets to do. Or maybe theres a Blake Coleman - Anderson deal of some kind? Not sure what that'd look like... ------------------------ Washington: injuries galore. Wilson will be back soon at least well before trade deadline. Backstrom might be back... Lord only knows there? Connor Brown won't be back till playoffs most likely. Haglein is done I think. Honestly, they likely will be doing better when Kuemper, Wilson and Orlov are back. They'd need to see Pitts or one of the NY teams fall back. Looks like Backstrom is coming back and not Kucheroving it... They will be right up against the cap. Basically think they will just wait out injuries and not buy. ------------------------ Carolina: lol. Hard to see this happening. But the waiver claim was with Bergevin so maybe it's okay now? Basically they are waiting on Patches? Should be back in February... If it is longer it could go past the march trade deadline but I can't imagine patches will take until late April? He always beat rehab times here. So I think they aren't actually an option. ------------------------ In the end of my lengthy exercise. I'm thinking a Nashville or Winnipeg could be prime Monahan destinations. Winnipeg may also be our best shot at interest in another of our rental options. Then Calgary maybe wants Anderson? Lol. What do you all think?

Have watched a lot of Oilers games and Puljiujarvi is shocking in how he kills chances. He just doesn't receive passes because he seems to be not expecting them? Fans on shots... Just randomly loses the puck. Passes to nothing... It's all very odd to watch. I don't know if it's a hockey IQ thing or just mentally he's checked out completely.