Pierre the Great Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 No stoning, Canada migrants told Don't stone women to death, burn them or circumcise them, immigrants wishing to live in the town of Herouxville in Quebec, Canada, have been told. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6316151.stm What are they doing? This is big international news. The BBC this morning covered it. This is bizarre. Shria law is banned in Quebec already, why then must you make this stupid law? Wow I'm dumb founded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 No stoning, Canada migrants told Don't stone women to death, burn them or circumcise them, immigrants wishing to live in the town of Herouxville in Quebec, Canada, have been told. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6316151.stm What are they doing? This is big international news. The BBC this morning covered it. This is bizarre. Shria law is banned in Quebec already, why then must you make this stupid law? Wow I'm dumb founded. + If you dont know the context behind of the Herouxville story, then no wonder you're dumb founded... and perhaps you should steer clear of commenting if you dont the context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 I heard the story on the news. I could say what the reporter on the radio said but that would get me in trouble. She clearly said something that would offend. She called the town a "Quebecios" community thats mainly catholic, french and that the people living there don't get out much. Thats word for word of what this reporter from montreal said. Then she brought up the YMCA controversy which I already knew about. I just see parallels in this with towns down here banning illegal immigrants from living in there communities except this to me is more of a we don't want you here law even though everything they have officially made into law is already illegal except for the Sikh ceremonial dagger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 No stoning, Canada migrants told Don't stone women to death, burn them or circumcise them, immigrants wishing to live in the town of Herouxville in Quebec, Canada, have been told. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6316151.stm What are they doing? This is big international news. The BBC this morning covered it. This is bizarre. Shria law is banned in Quebec already, why then must you make this stupid law? Wow I'm dumb founded. PTG don't call it stupid if you don't understand it in the first place. it all started a few weeks ago when the assidics( don't know the proper term) community asked a local gym to cover it's windows because they cannot look at women that way. afterward, we learn that the police as been asked by the jewish community not to send women officers because I guess it's forbiden for a woman to arrest a man. then it's women nurses cannot give a flu shot or any sorts of shots by a women so they ask for men. just today we learn that women can't give driving exams to jewish men unless they're sitting on the rear seat (WTF) a few years ago, a sihk kid as been denied is kirpan( a religious symbol) at school. they've been arguing that it was only a religious symbole but it,s still a knife. people in the Q are getting tired of having to let the reasonable accomodation rule go by. some feel that the quebecers have to comply with every demand from another culture in order not to be detrimental to them. did you know that the huge christmas tree in montreal had to change name to the holiday tree. come on !! then comes herouxville. a little town in the middle on nowhere( mostly all french catholic white people) decided to let it's discontent to that reasonable accommodation trend. IMO it has to be taken to a second degree since it doesn't affect any of it's citizens. while I'm glad to live in quebec, probably the friendliest place in the world for immigrants, I still feel that they should immerge a bit in our traditions and respect our laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 I see, I'm fine with clothing and stuff but to me there is always a seperation between church and state. So I would disagree with the police thing saying tough luck, its the law. I think the YMCA deal was stupid. Okay I get where everyone is coming from but to say things that are already banned by the Supreme Court and the Quebec legislature I find that a little weird but thats just me. All I meant was that the BBC people kept drilling this reporter about 'Canada losing its reputation of intolerance." Funny thing though whenever the BBC mentions Canada its always in a negative light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 I I just see parallels in this with towns down here banning illegal immigrants from living in there communities except this to me is more of a we don't want you here law even though everything they have officially made into law is already illegal except for the Sikh ceremonial dagger. That's where you get it all wrong. The Herouxville "motion" is a retaliation to the increased numbers of cases where minorities got preferential treatments (ex getting to skip in front of everyone at the Emergency because they'll be late to pray, etc.). The Herouxville motion is poorly worded but well-intentionned movement to put a stop to all that non-sense. It just means to say: "you want to come live here, great, now here's how we live." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 If thats what they meant to say then okay fine but the way they worded it with mention things that are already illegal (sharia law) and then stating examples comes off as excessive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) That's where you get it all wrong. The Herouxville "motion" is a retaliation to the increased numbers of cases where minorities got preferential treatments (ex getting to skip in front of everyone at the Emergency because they'll be late to pray, etc.). The Herouxville motion is poorly worded but well-intentionned movement to put a stop to all that non-sense. It just means to say: "you want to come live here, great, now here's how we live." Amen for those who can speak or read in french, check out my post in another thread called Acommodements raisonnables in the lounge. I post a link for a François Parenteau text who really describe how many people from Quebec feel. Edited February 1, 2007 by JoeLassister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 *rolls eyes* If it's so well-intentioned, then why all the wording with the stoning of women, etc, etc. That's inflammatory, pure and simple. I agree with the so-called spirit behind the law, but mentioning those things? Bigotry. As for forcing a gym to frost its windows because you don't want to see people exercise? *laughs* Turn your damn heads the other way. Jesus, this political crap is getting out of hand. At the rate we're going, we'll be tiny communities with walls and tactical nukes protecting our "valued" beliefs. So much for open-mindedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 thats what I'm saying or trying to say Colin. If its well intended why go into details, to thats pouring salt on a wound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habanero Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Well, I hope the one immigrant family in the town took heed not to "kill women by stoning them in public, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them etc." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 I already know of a news story before PTG posts it on the boards!? I think immigrants should be able to adapt. Just look how great Borat was at it! (Two Borat posts in one day, uh oh.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 I already know of a news story before PTG posts it on the boards!? what are you saying? I'm slacking? no way I could have posted this much earlier yesterday but alas I had to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortcat1 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 (edited) is it bigotry on our part because we try to 'impose' our way of life on people who come to live among us? is it bigotry when someone goes to live in another country where they do stone women and, if we try to live the way we see life to be and their way of life is 'imposed' upon us by have our very lives threatened or taken? hmmmmmmmmm........... GO :hlogo: GO! Edited February 2, 2007 by shortcat1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Like many i'm sick of this accomendement raisonables bullcrap Like it was already said if you want to come in Canada, fine you're welcome but it's up to you to adapt to us and not the opposite. Thats why I'm going to vote ADQ in the next election, they are the only party with enough couilles to speak about this subject openly.. Liberals and PQ have both been awfully weak on that issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 lol no offence but ADQ is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 lol no offence but ADQ is laughable. ADQ = ######ing hypocrites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 ADQ = ######ing hypocrites There leader is funny though. But really saying you're going to vote ADQ is like voting for the Libertarians here in the US, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 lol no offence but ADQ is laughable. O, I'm well aware than some aspect of the ADQ are quite.. lacking, but at least they are willing to listen to the people unlike the PQ and Liberals would act like theyre wasnt even a problem. They dont look down on the ordinary populace like our voice dont matter à la arrogant/elitist manner of the PQ and Libs Boisclair is an arrogant fool who dont listen to anyone but himself and Charest's only positive point is than he isnt the PQ... I like Québec too much to put it in the hands of any of those clowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 O, I'm well aware than some aspect of the ADQ are quite.. lacking, but at least they are willing to listen to the people unlike the PQ and Liberals would act like theyre wasnt even a problem. They dont look down on the ordinary populace like our voice dont matter à la arrogant/elitist manner of the PQ and Libs Boisclair is an arrogant fool who dont listen to anyone but himself and Charest's only positive point is than he isnt the PQ... I like Québec too much to put it in the hands of any of those clowns. This is what we call a two party system. Where the the two parties can do whatever ever they feel like because they will always be in power hence stagnation. I mean what is the Liberal party of Quebec? Conservative? Liberal? lol who knows? PQ was suppose to be the party of the people, well hmm doesn't look that way. ADQ gets laughed at well because its the ADQ and seriously are there really any conservatives in Quebec? A conservative in Quebec is an NDPer in Alberta, seriously. And the biggest hole. A democratic socialist party pro canada. I know there are socialist minded people in Quebec who aren't for the pie in the sky view of sovereignty. Where is that party? So in many ways Jean you are very right the two main parties are stagnate and have lost their views on what they stand for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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