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xXx..CK..xXx    159

Streit will either crash and burn or he could be a good thing for this team. I believe he can help that second power play unit because he can hit the net with his quick slap shot. If he stays, we'll get some tip in and rebound goals from our second wave. It's going to have to happen pretty quickly though or he'll be bound for the healthy scratch role and may never get into a groove as a result. 

 

What I will say is that, judging by the corsi numbers mentioned, people are being too hard on him. I'll admit he looks less capable than I had hoped but he actually has had a handful of decent plays so far in this early season. That's more than Davidson and company. 

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38 minutes ago, illWill said:

 

“It is a game of mistakes, but at the end of the day you just got to make sure that those mistakes are not huge and costly,” Julien added. “So that’s why you tell a player go out there, play your game. I want them to be comfortable. I want them to feel like I’ve got the confidence in him. I don’t want him worrying about me watching him waiting to make a mistake. I want him to know that I’m pushing him out there and I want to see good things. It really is the approach that you have with the player and how comfortable you make him feel and that’s something that I like to do with guys that get called up or guys that are starting their first real game in the NHL.” 

 

"He just said, 'keep playing your game, that's one of the reasons why you're still here, so just play your game and you should be fine,'" Mete explained.

 

 

 

Perhaps you are confusing Claude Julien for Michel Therrien? 

 

 

 

Could be; years of Therrien do tend to leave one weary. Julien got great buy-in in Boston and did help to develop guys like Torey Krug. On the other hand, he was involved in the idiotic dumping of Seguin. And he is also the mastermind who shunted Galy to the 4th line on an offence-starved team. We'll see how it plays out.

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8 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Streit will either crash and burn or he could be a good thing for this team. I believe he can help that second power play unit because he can hit the net with his quick slap shot. If he stays, we'll get some tip in and rebound goals from our second wave. It's going to have to happen pretty quickly though or he'll be bound for the healthy scratch role and may never get into a groove as a result. 

 

What I will say is that, judging by the corsi numbers mentioned, people are being too hard on him. I'll admit he looks less capable than I had hoped but he actually has had a handful of decent plays so far in this early season. That's more than Davidson and company. 

 

Davidson is not an NHLer IMHO, so saying that Streit is better than him is hardly much of a recommendation. Commandant has already noted how Streit's usage artificially inflated his CORSI - I wouldn't read much into it.

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Commandant    633
4 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Davidson is not an NHLer IMHO, so saying that Streit is better than him is hardly much of a recommendation. Commandant has already noted how Streit's usage artificially inflated his CORSI - I wouldn't read much into it.

 

Streit seems the obvious scratch when Schlemko is healthy. 

 

I don't like that Jerabek is being scratched in the AHL as noted in the other thread.  I think he could quickly jump over Streit, Morrow, Davidson on the depth chart if he gets used to North American sized ice.  I liked him a lot in pre-season. 

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11 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Streit seems the obvious scratch when Schlemko is healthy. 

 

I don't like that Jerabek is being scratched in the AHL as noted in the other thread.  I think he could quickly jump over Streit, Morrow, Davidson on the depth chart if he gets used to North American sized ice.  I liked him a lot in pre-season. 

 

Yeah, every team seems to have a gaggle of POS borderline defencemen. Indeed, quite a few teams are hard pressed to ice six legitimate, clear-cut NHL d-men on any given night, it seems to me. We're certainly not alone in carrying a bunch of garbage around the 6-8 slots. Jerabek's emergence would certainly be good news for the depth-chart.

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xXx..CK..xXx    159

I don't think there's anything wrong with Streit doing well given the cards he is dealt. His corsi wa also higher than his defensive partner Benn although he admittedly had more offensive zone starts compared with Benn. 

 

The only thing I see is constant bashing of Streit by almost everyone and yet the stats provide a story which shows that he can help this team. Perhaps I want too much to have some offense provided by the defence but just last year, he would have had the second most points on our team from defense with Markov out of the equation.  Now he has decent advanced stats in his first game and yet the eye test still isn't pleasant for some. 

 

He's definitely slow but if sheltered, I believe he can help this team. I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with that. I think Mete needs to be sheltered as well. If we had a different configuration on the back end, Streit would be obsolete. I keep going back to the numbers though and Streit seems to be one of the few who can get points from the back end. Sure, he was scratched by the Penguins during the playoffs but even in the 3 games he did play, he managed 2 points

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8 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

I don't think there's anything wrong with Streit doing well given the cards he is dealt. His corsi wa also higher than his defensive partner Benn although he admittedly had more offensive zone starts compared with Benn. 

 

The only thing I see is constant bashing of Streit by almost everyone and yet the stats provide a story which shows that he can help this team. Perhaps I want too much to have some offense provided by the defence but just last year, he would have had the second most points on our defense now that Markov was here and now he has decent advanced stats in his first game and yet the eye test still isn't pleasant for some. 

 

He's definitely slow but if sheltered, I believe he can help this team. I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with that. I think Mete needs to be sheltered as well. If we had a different configuration on the back end, Streit would be obsolete. I keep going back to the numbers though and Streit seems to be one of the few who can get points from the back end. Sure, he was scratched by the Penguins during the playoffs but even in the 3 games he did play, he managed 2 points

 

Hey,  I haven't watched Streit closely. You could be right. But the fact that he was a healthy scratch suggests he is an "asset" in a fashion analogous to MA Bergeron or Pierre Dagenais - guys whose stats looked decent but who, in fact, were not legitimate NHLers either. It sounds to me like Streit is a guy who would be outside the top 6 on a strong team.

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Commandant    633
5 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

I don't think there's anything wrong with Streit doing well given the cards he is dealt. His corsi wa also higher than his defensive partner Benn although he admittedly had more offensive zone starts compared with Benn. 

 

The only thing I see is constant bashing of Streit by almost everyone and yet the stats provide a story which shows that he can help this team. Perhaps I want too much to have some offense provided by the defence but just last year, he would have had the second most points on our team from defense with Markov out of the equation.  Now he has decent advanced stats in his first game and yet the eye test still isn't pleasant for some. 

 

He's definitely slow but if sheltered, I believe he can help this team. I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with that. I think Mete needs to be sheltered as well. If we had a different configuration on the back end, Streit would be obsolete. I keep going back to the numbers though and Streit seems to be one of the few who can get points from the back end. Sure, he was scratched by the Penguins during the playoffs but even in the 3 games he did play, he managed 2 points

 

Benn played nearly 4 minutes more of even strength. 

When Benn was going out on the ice for a defensive zone start, they double shifted weber or petry instead of putting streit on the ice. 

That tells you what the coaches think of Streit. 

They didn't do the same with Mete, who had the third most even strength minutes on the team, was used in all situations, and honestly looked great. 

 

As for scoring points from the back end... no reason that Schlemko can't be on the 2nd PP unit, move the puck and get 20-25 points. 

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Commandant    633
8 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

I don't think there's anything wrong with Streit doing well given the cards he is dealt. His corsi wa also higher than his defensive partner Benn although he admittedly had more offensive zone starts compared with Benn. 

 

The only thing I see is constant bashing of Streit by almost everyone and yet the stats provide a story which shows that he can help this team. Perhaps I want too much to have some offense provided by the defence but just last year, he would have had the second most points on our team from defense with Markov out of the equation.  Now he has decent advanced stats in his first game and yet the eye test still isn't pleasant for some. 

 

He's definitely slow but if sheltered, I believe he can help this team. I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with that. I think Mete needs to be sheltered as well. If we had a different configuration on the back end, Streit would be obsolete. I keep going back to the numbers though and Streit seems to be one of the few who can get points from the back end. Sure, he was scratched by the Penguins during the playoffs but even in the 3 games he did play, he managed 2 points

 

He didn't have "decent advanced stats"

Advanced stats is more than just pure corsi.  Someone looking at advanced stats needs to look at Qcomp, Qteam, and ZS% as well.  If you look at just possession stats but don't look at the context, you are missing the point. 

 

Judging a player by advanced stats always requires looking at multiple categories. 

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xXx..CK..xXx    159

While I think just as highly of Mete as anyone, I'd be very surprised if he's able to be our first pairing defenseman throughout the entire season and playoffs. He may not need to be sheltered yet but once he's up against Alex Ovechkin or Evgeni Malkin in a best of 7 series, we'll see whether or he needs to be sheltered in the final minutes of a 1 goal game.

 

I'm hoping he will make it through the year without needing to be sheltered, however even yesterday, he had a few missed shifts in the third. 

 

I agree with the comparables to players like MA Bergeron in the sense that Streit may only be a capable PP specialist. With that being said, it's a little different as Dagenais was never a capable NHL player and Bergeron was a PP specialist his entire career. Streit is a few years removed from a 50 point season, the same year Markov had less points. 

 

Streit ooks very slow and lacks confidence but I stand by his season basically hinging on injuries as well as how these next few games play out. If nothing happens form him

and Schlemko comes back soon, Streit will be in the press box and will likely never get it going this season due to being thrown in and out of the lineup. If he's given games, however, I think he can warm up and provide some help to this team if only because we're lacking on the back end.

 

Whether or not he deserves this chance is really what it comes down to in my opinion. The only advantage he has is his veteran presence. Other than that, he might not deserve it unless his play dictates things. I tend to agree that the former option is the likely outcome. He'll be our 7th defenseman and may not get heated up. If he does get games, I won't be surprised if he can get going again to a certain extent.

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3 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

While I think just as highly of Mete as anyone, I'd be very surprised if he's able to be our first pairing defenseman throughout the entire season and playoffs. He may not need to be sheltered yet but once he's up against Alex Ovechkin or Evgeni Malkin in a best of 7 series, we'll see whether or he needs to be sheltered in the final minutes of a 1 goal game.

 

I'm hoping he will make it through the year without needing to be sheltered, however even yesterday, he had a few missed shifts in the third. 

 

I agree with the comparables to players like MA Bergeron in the sense that Streit may only be a capable PP specialist. With that being said, it's a little different as Dagenais was never a capable NHL player and Bergeron was a PP specialist his entire career. Streit is a few years removed from a 50 point season, the same year Markov had less points. 

 

Streit ooks very slow and lacks confidence but I stand by his season basically hinging on injuries as well as how these next few games play out. If nothing happens form him

and Schlemko comes back soon, Streit will be in the press box and will likely never get it going this season due to being thrown in and out of the lineup. If he's given games, however, I think he can warm up and provide some help to this team if only because we're lacking on the back end.

 

Whether or not he deserves this chance is really what it comes down to in my opinion. The only advantage he has is his veteran presence. Other than that, he might not deserve it unless his play dictates things. I tend to agree that the former option is the likely outcome. He'll be our 7th defenseman and may not get heated up. If he does get games, I won't be surprised if he can get going again to a certain extent.

 

 

While i see your point, It is hard for me to think that if we were not scared to play him nearly 20 min against a team that has Jack Eichel, we will employ him the same way against the Malkins and Ovechkins of this world.

 

Streit will be easily replaced by Schlemko, both in advanced stats and by eye, Schlemko plays a faster game, can generate offence from a 3rd pair and some 2nd wave PP duty. Schlemko is also a stylistic better match for Benn, who plays a rock solid positional game, keeps it simple and efficient, and is usually not guilty of costly turnovers, but will never be the most mobile guy out there. Schlemko will help balance that bottom pair out, allowing for a really nice mix of mobility and efficiency across all the pairings at that point. Either way a Left Handed guy comes out when Schlemko comes back, and it certainly has to be Streit instead of Mete. Whether or not Mete can remain a top pair guy all year while he is in the line up remains to be seen, but either way I take him in my line up, regardless where, over Streit, even at this stage.

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xXx..CK..xXx    159
6 hours ago, Link67 said:

 

 

While i see your point, It is hard for me to think that if we were not scared to play him nearly 20 min against a team that has Jack Eichel, we will employ him the same way against the Malkins and Ovechkins of this world.

 

Streit will be easily replaced by Schlemko, both in advanced stats and by eye, Schlemko plays a faster game, can generate offence from a 3rd pair and some 2nd wave PP duty. Schlemko is also a stylistic better match for Benn, who plays a rock solid positional game, keeps it simple and efficient, and is usually not guilty of costly turnovers, but will never be the most mobile guy out there. Schlemko will help balance that bottom pair out, allowing for a really nice mix of mobility and efficiency across all the pairings at that point. Either way a Left Handed guy comes out when Schlemko comes back, and it certainly has to be Streit instead of Mete. Whether or not Mete can remain a top pair guy all year while he is in the line up remains to be seen, but either way I take him in my line up, regardless where, over Streit, even at this stage.

The only problem I have is that there have been a few references stating that Schlemko can provide some offence and that 20-25 points can be expected. That's a very solid argument considering the only point I'm trying to make is that the numbers tend to show that Streit can provide some offense. Streit hasn't scored less than 6 goals in any recent season (actually since his rookie season) including last year and easily had 27 points last year without playing a full calendar year. If his potential point totals can be replaced by Schlemko, then Streit is easily expendable. 

 

The problem I have is seeing that. Schlemko has never played anywhere close to a full season in his entire career. He also tends to manage a consistent 1 goal a season and has never cracked 20 points. I believe he can provide some offense and I do expect him to look good and skate well but I'm not convinced it's the level of offense that even Beaulieu may have provided us. This would have to be the healthiest season of his career for that to begin to be a possibility. 

 

My vision is along the lines of most. Streit will likely spend a lot of the season in the press box. Here we are at the beginning of the season however and Schlemko is "already" injured and has a history of getting injured. Whether it's him or someone else, I can easily see a scenario where Streit keeps getting thrown into the 6th position due to other players getting injured and never really provides anything for us. I've seen it before and it will be easy to hound him for being placed into a tough role for anybody.

 

It is my personal belief that if he was given a little vote of confidence, he could develop into something positive for us. Similar to the fact that we can say "let's see how Mete will be 40 games into the season", I see it as a possibility that the same could be applied to Streit, just in complete opposite fashion. Maybe Streit could be better given a chance. I've personally seen small glimpses of positive plays from him on the power play. It's easy to crap on Streit after 2-3 preseason games and 1 regular season game but again when I look at the numbers I can understand why we acquired Streit in the first place.

 

Conversely, it's just as likely that this is the year where Streit officially hits a wall and his stats may be terrible. If he doesn't provide any points for us, then I agree that he appears to be over the hill and there's nothing more to be seen from him. I also agree that we run with Mete over Streit and that at the time being Mete is an even better threat offensively, if only because he is paired with Shea Weber as well as our better offensive players.

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Commandant    633

Streits played a bunch of preseason games and is 39 years old.  He is who he is at this point.  He doesnt have upside to learn on the job.  There is a reason he was scratched so much by the penguins on a team that may have won the cuo but it wasnt due to having a strong and deep defense.

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xXx..CK..xXx    159

I agree Stteit hasn't looked great so far. My pint though is not that he needs to learn anything but that he's actually better than Habs fans are giving him credit for and might be able to

demonstrate that given the opportunity. If he gets thrown into the 6 role all the while playing musical chairs with the press box, then it will likely be a self fulfilling prophecy and fans will constantly talk about how terrible he is. That is a tough position for any player to be in. It's exponential. If he is/was given 40 games, we may actually see that he has some offensive upside. He doesn't have to learn anything. I'm one of the very few who think it's still there. His defensive play isn't and his foot speed is gone but he has some upside in the offensive zone. 

 

It's not really an important issue though and it does look like we simply don't have the space for him at this point when healthy, due to the emergence of Mete.

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Commandant    633

"His defensive play isn't and his foot speed is gone but he has some upside in the offensive zone."

 

I agree he has some offensive upside... but he's a defenceman.  With the defensive play gone, he is no more useful than Marc-Andre Bergeron.  Which is why he should be scratched and Jerabek brought in. 

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30 minutes ago, Commandant said:

"His defensive play isn't and his foot speed is gone but he has some upside in the offensive zone."

 

I agree he has some offensive upside... but he's a defenceman.  With the defensive play gone, he is no more useful than Marc-Andre Bergeron.  Which is why he should be scratched and Jerabek brought in. 

 

I believe this falls in the 'no shite Sherlock' department.

 

If Streit were a rookie, he never would have made the team. In fact he would probably be regarded as a 'project' prospect who needs to learn how to defend. He makes David frigging Schlemko look like some sort of saviour. Bizarre as it is to say, this team needs a significantly better #7 defenceman than Mark Streit. Injuries happen and the #7 guy on the depth chart plays a meaningful role on a team. We can't be throwing that turd out there for 50 games. No way.

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