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He has averaged a clip under a PPG his entire career, which is more than anyone on this roster or anyone who has been on this roster in what feels like 20 years. A career that might I add is entering its Prime years, with a player who has the tools to remain a significant player because he does not build his game around Speed. Speed is the first thing that goes on a player, and usually when a Player who builds his game from speed loses that, he declines much faster, and when the opposite occurs, they remain effective for much longer. See Jagr, and Chara as prime examples of that, 2 players at 2 different positions who were elite for many reasons other than foot speed, and remain effective long into their twilight years because their greatest strengths never truly dwindle as losing a step does. Point is Tavares could easily be effective until he is 35+ because he is not a point producer because of his speed, but because of his strength, shot, high end individual skill and hockey I.Q. If anyone in this fanbase or in upper management is ready to walk away from a deal that would land him here, after the years of trying to find someone just like him, for any reason other than he doesn't want to come here, or the price to get him is simply astronomical and insane to pay by an standards, then I really don't know what to say.

Jesus I said HE IS A CLIP UNDER A PPG, how hard is it to read that properly, and how many times am I going to have to explain it to you, it is exactly what he is.. Also every person you just mentioned is ALSO a clip under a PPG player, perfect examples of players who would have greatly benefited us if they were our #1C when they were 26 years old. You starting to see why it is so important NOT to pass on a guy like Tavares yet?

Re: Tavares Mr. Lovett, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent responses were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. Billy Madison is one of my favorite movies

is 537 points in 587 games not a clip under a PPG as I suggested? are the stats exaggerated? Because they equate to 0.91 PPG, if that isn't the epitome of a clip under a PPG then please enlighten me as to how I am classically exaggerating. Although I had a feeling he was close to a PPG player his whole career, I still went and did my homework before making the claim in my original post, perhaps you should have done the same instead of now knowing what the front half of your foot tastes like, unpleasant I imagine.

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I don't have an issue with what you said other than I don't particularly agree, which is fine, its a discussion forum and opinions will vary. Lovett tried to personally call me out on something and label me something , and the facts I presented showed the complete opposite, I am not going to let something like that slide without my 2 cents. As for your point, I explained why I thought Tavares would remain an effective player until his mid 30s already, and would therefore not in the slightest of ways avoid aggressively pursuing him on the notion he MAY decline in his early 30s. In my opinion there is way more chance we benefit greatly from his presence on the team, than there is of him suddenly falling off a cliff at age 32, and I would personally take those chances any day. His point totals eclipse everyone on this team, his ability to produce those points from our position of greatest need is also of great importance. How the heck anyone would pass on a player like Tavares because of some doomsday prophecy of his future production is mind boggling. This coming from the same fan base who is angry we didn't pay a 31 year old 7 million for 5 years? REALLY? I've said it earlier and I'll say it again, There is no reason not to try and acquire John Tavares other than He does not want to come here, or the Islanders don't want any package we could put together for him. Our interest in him, a true and elite #1C entering his prime, should be absolute, period.

Ah yes, in any form of discussion board, when someone resorts to nothing left but trying to attack some sort of grammar, it is also the exact moment they are soundly defeated in a discussion. Go ahead and do what you gotta do with your ignore list, I certainly won't miss being quoted or misrepresented by you in any way shape or form, I will however lightly miss the opportunity to shove your foot in your mouth with my response to it. And in a Final Bow to you, I invite you to type the word "Classically" in the text window and let me know if it is underlined in Red. Actually don't let me know, I wouldn't want to be responsible for having shoved both your feet in your mouth in one discussion, how are you supposed to walk out of here with any dignity left after that, or walk out of here at all for that matter...

"Classically" exaggerated? I didn't know you wrote in Latin or Attic Greek. I can't even read to the bottom of this. Time to refresh the ignore list...

First off you are going off-course, I disputed the claim about me, personally where I "Classically Exagerated" when I said Which is exactly what the stats I posted immediately after your incorrect claim about me, showcased loud and clear. And in response to that you come up with some "but I said this afterwards and it is also correct" Hoopla? It is irrelevant in its complete form, you made a claim about me and it was wrong, I proved it with stats that line up exactly with what I SAID, and had nothing to do with what you were going to say, that's all there is to it. Can anyone explain to me how someone says "Player A is a clip under a PPG his whole career because he has a career PPG of 0.91" and would be considered Exaggerating by any stretch of the imagination? Doubtful..

What the hell does Team Canada have to do with anything?!

Plus it's just the opinion of one coaching staff and there are three HOFers in front of Giroux on Team Canada.

Tavares would go well with the rest of the Habs that can only get it done with a red maple leaf on their chests. He's always been below the top-tier guys like Crosby, Jumbo Joke, McDavid. I think he's PPG for the next couple years and then slides. Pass.

Where Are They Now? 2011-2012 Edition Claude Giroux-94 Jason Spezza-84 Ilya Kovalchuck-83 Henrik Sedin-81 Patrik Elias-78 Ray Whitney-77 Maria Gaborik-76 2012-2013 Edition Martin St. Louis-60 points Eric Staal-53 Mike Ribeiro-49 Pavel Datsyuk-49 Claude Giorux-48 Hank Zetterberg-48 Tavares-47 Andrew Ladd-46 Henrik Sedin-45 The list gets better as the years go on, but you get my point. I don't remember half of these players being dominant. Four or five years out on a Tavares deal could get really stinky. "His whole career" is classic Link67 exaggeration. Tavares had four or five years out of (8?) that are PPG. Don't get me wrong, I've seen him take over games. But the time to sell the store was 2014.

2009-2010 82 games/54 points 2010-2011 79/67 2011-2012 82/81 2012-2013 48/47 2013-2014 59/66 2014-2015 82/86 2015-2016 78/70 2016-2017 77/66 I said: "Tavares had four or five years out of (8?) that are PPG." That is exactly correct. If you based your claim on career points instead a season by season tally you're using the wrong methodology. Since you know, we're talking about how many seasons he was PPG.

And now, for our near-daily request to stop with the personal insults. If you can't post without resorting to personal insults, please do everyone a favour and not bother posting that comment. If you're the one responding to a pot shot, be the bigger person and bite your tongue (or in this case, fingers). If you're the one making it, refer to the above. Use the ignore list if you need to. This is not that difficult of a request, it's common courtesy that is exercised in daily life. If you can do so in your day-to-day exploits, you can certainly do so here as well. You've all shown yourself to be capable of doing so in the past so it's not like we're asking you to drastically change here.

Fair enough. He wants to stay, so he's not a winner!

I don't know how you argue someone is a PPG player when he's only gotten a PPG four years out of eight, and not come close in the last two years? I guess Zetterberg is a PPG player because he has 904 points in exaclty 1000 games. Spezza, too. 862/912. Hey, with that logic, let's just give the 8.5 in cap space to Jagr!

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What does Tavares have to show for his entire career? Carrying the Islanders on his back in the first round vs the Florida Panthers? Or, like Evander Kane, Keith Yandle, and the other rumor mill stalwarts, is he supposed to be as good as Crosby and McDavid just because he's available? I can picture a day...far off into the future on a wooded lake in a forgotten town around July...Carey, Shea, and Tavares talking about the time of their lives at the cabin...those two tournaments in the Olympics on a heavily favored team that went all the way. Oh, the memories!

We're going to be like Maple Leafs fans in a few years. I'll never forget in 2014, the Laffs were playing the Panthers after the Olympics. They showed a clip of the Canadian players skating their after winning the gold, and many Leafs fans stood up and clapped and yelled and whooped it up for a proxy victory. The Laffs burped up a 3-0 lead in the 3rd and fans brought paper bags to wear over their heads. I can't even remember if the Leafs had any players on that team? But any win is a win. I suppose if Tavares got traded here, we could root for Tavares to be the best center like we do with Price, or the Sens with Karlsson, or the Leafs with Matthews.

Middle school humor meant for small minds. Maybe you ought to write fart jokes on your own time instead of burping up your daily dose of baloney on here? "Duhhhh...faith in Bergevin...duhhh...Carey Price yo...duhhh Shea Weber's ma boy...duhhh." Did I come close to what you do on here, moron?