MAK Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Yeah, but if you analyze his season a little deeper, he scored a few goals quickly, but didn't do much once other teams paid more attention to him. The guy has no hockey sense whatsoever, just a big dumb shooter. I agree...he doesn't skate, he doesn't hit, he's not gritty, he's not good defensively... he also got bench a few times in the AHL wich just shows his caracter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 17 in 50 is pretty much a 20 goal season if he plays a whole season. And I wasn't saying that Dagenais belongs in the NHL, that wasn't the meaning of my post. If yuo don't know how to read then don't try. Obviously if your saying that Dagenais could win the Rocket Richard trophy, then your obviously saying that he can play in the NHL. If you can put your thoughts on paper, then why even bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Obviously if your saying that Dagenais could win the Rocket Richard trophy, then your obviously saying that he can play in the NHL. If you can put your thoughts on paper, then why even bother? You could take several AHLers and give them a winger à la Thornton and watch them have a miracle season. Look at Beauchemin besides Niedermayer. Some players make the guys around them better. That was the point. Dagenais was just an example of a shitty player that I chose. Pretty simple, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 You could take several AHLers and give them a winger à la Thornton and watch them have a miracle season. Look at Beauchemin besides Niedermayer. Some players make the guys around them better. That was the point. Dagenais was just an example of a shitty player that I chose. Pretty simple, really. Beauchemin is a hell of alot better played than you give him credit for and certainly better than Dagenais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Beauchemin is a hell of alot better played than you give him credit for and certainly better than Dagenais. That remains to be seen. I'm not saying he's not good, just that he's had a very good 3/4 of a season (playing with one of the top defensemen in the league) VS a career as a minor-leaguer. I'll need more than that before saying that Montreal really missed the boat in his case... Is Niedermayer making him a lot better than he really is? Is the new enforcement of the rules in the NHL helping him? Did he enough confidence this year to emerge as a true NHLer? We'll see in the next 2-3 seasons... and same goes for Hainsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 He's still in the playoffs and is displaying some really good skill I gotta say. Dropped the gloves with Iginla (smart move), and so far has 2G, 5A and 7pts in 11 games played. Pretty stellar numbers for a defenseman. Is the new rule enforcement helping him? What difference does that make?..we're not returning to the old NHL rules anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Just one question for the people who voted that Mike Ribeiro should stay: Why? I would really like for people to give me some strong arguments about why Ribeiro deserves to be resigned, and how the organization would benefit from his services instead of either moving Plekanec into a more offensive 2nd line center role, or sign/acquire the services of another top 2 center such as Jason Arnott or Daniel Briere. And please, if somebody responds, do not mention Koivu (for some reason most Ribeiro fans seem to be Koivu haters). We're talking about Ribeiro, and whether or not you like Koivu changes nothing what Ribeiro brings, or doesn't bring, to the team. Too bad. I would have liked to hear some solid arguments in Ribeiro's favor because I can't think of any. The only [weak] arguments I can think of is that he's a francophone player with some offensive game, which I don't care about especially since many fans and members of the media wnat him gone, and that he's somewhat cheap for a guy that gives you 50+ points a season. However, no matter the salary, I would not resign Ribeiro; he's just a bad overall player that I feel does more harm than good to the team. I'd rather have a guy that gets less pointsm, but plays a much better overall game, shows more consistency, and who can elevate his game when it things get tough (or at least play at the same level). He's still in the playoffs and is displaying some really good skill I gotta say. Dropped the gloves with Iginla (smart move), and so far has 2G, 5A and 7pts in 11 games played. Pretty stellar numbers for a defenseman. Is the new rule enforcement helping him? What difference does that make?..we're not returning to the old NHL rules anytime soon. I agree that the NHL won't go back anytime soon, but that was a reference to people who feel Montreal made a mistake by letting him go; the fact is that when Beauchemin was part of the Canadiens organization, the old, near inexistant rule enforcement was in effect. You can't really blame the team for letting go a player because they didn't know the game would change, and that some players that were considered marginal or defensive specialists (who wanted us to trade for Gionta last summer?) would strive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komisarek the Cruncher Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 (edited) He's still in the playoffs and is displaying some really good skill I gotta say. Dropped the gloves with Iginla (smart move), and so far has 2G, 5A and 7pts in 11 games played. Pretty stellar numbers for a defenseman. Is the new rule enforcement helping him? What difference does that make?..we're not returning to the old NHL rules anytime soon. I don't know, but he was on the radio today, and he mentionned that the first thing the coach asked him to do when he got to Anaheim is to drop 10 lbs. He admitted that it as helped him, especially for being able to play the 25-30 min per game he's playing. Edited May 12, 2006 by Komisarek the Cruncher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 That remains to be seen. I'm not saying he's not good, just that he's had a very good 3/4 of a season (playing with one of the top defensemen in the league) VS a career as a minor-leaguer. I'll need more than that before saying that Montreal really missed the boat in his case... Is Niedermayer making him a lot better than he really is? Is the new enforcement of the rules in the NHL helping him? Did he enough confidence this year to emerge as a true NHLer? We'll see in the next 2-3 seasons... and same goes for Hainsey. Why is everybody forgetting that Beauchemin played well in Columbus long before he ever came over and played with Nedermayer in Anaheim? The only reason you guys know anything about him now is because of the playoffs. If you'd actually known anything about him while he was in Hamilton, you'd probably know what a decent prospect he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komisarek the Cruncher Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Why is everybody forgetting that Beauchemin played well in Columbus long before he ever came over and played with Nedermayer in Anaheim? The only reason you guys know anything about him now is because of the playoffs. If you'd actually known anything about him while he was in Hamilton, you'd probably know what a decent prospect he was. Another great reply by Mr. Know it all !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 I'd rather see Higgins play another season with Ryder and Koivu on the first line than see him drop to the second line. I don't know how well he did on draws this year, so that could be a factor in moving him back to center. But since he moved up to the first line, he really hit another gear, and proved a lot of people that he could be more than the third-line checking center many people predicted he would. As far as Ribeiro goes, I'd keep him for another year, but only under the condition that he put on some weight. The guy's not a NHL player at only 170 lbs. He was too easily pushed off the puck and easily covered along the boards in battles. While he wasn't shy about initiating contact, more often than not he was on the receiving end of a check. If he could try to get up to 185 or 190, I don't think it would hurt him at all. If he does go, I would like to see Plekanec on the second line, if Gainey can't sign a center this summer. He was the best center during the playoff round against Carolina, especially after Koivu went out. Maybe move Zednik for another winger or a physical defenceman, and move Perezhogin up the chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Well...it was a silly move letting him go for free. Regardless of what the powers that be thought, anyone could see that the team was desperately thin on the blueline in terms of prospects. But, it's not like we can do anything about it. Just sucks since the team could definitely use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 (edited) I'd rather see Higgins play another season with Ryder and Koivu on the first line than see him drop to the second line. I don't know how well he did on draws this year, so that could be a factor in moving him back to center. But since he moved up to the first line, he really hit another gear, and proved a lot of people that he could be more than the third-line checking center many people predicted he would. RobRock I have to agree whole heartedly with what you said in the above paragraph. I noticed that Koivu really started playing better with Higgins on his line. These two guys really generate opportunities for the line and Ryder was able to blend in with them. It is not a big line however they do provide scoring chances. With a full season next year I expect this line to do better. Montreal has to get 4 lines to roll over every game. The teams that are in the 1/4 finals use depth instead of having 3 or 4 superstars. I keep reading on this web site how great Joe Thorton is. If you want a true champion Centre, it is Joe Sakic! Thorton chokes in the playoffs, Sakic is on a different level. Plus who is Thortons Daddy? The Habs. Montreal has youth to replace Ribero so he should be cut loose or traded for a pick. Time to let go as this guy gives nothing to the team. I expect the Montreal coaching staff to keep the Koivu line together and to create at least a second and third line to compliment the first. Exciting times for Habs fans as there is a future. Edited May 20, 2006 by InsaneAVSfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoHabs2002 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Also, Koivu doesn't have the likes of Shanhan and Zetterberg to finish his plays. I would even go as far as saying that he's on par with Brad Richards (although if I have to choose, I would take the younger and healthier Richards), but again, Koivu didn't have St-Louis and Lecavalier with him on powerplays to boost his statistics.. he had Higgins and Ryder. I find it hilarious how fans will always find an out for Koivu's lack of production. I agree, I would probably choose Saks over Dats, but let's stop the repetitive justification. For the first 8 years, everyone argued and would agree that Koivu didn't have the teammates or linemates to put up #1 numbers. Then Kovy came along and everyone cheered and said finally a winger for Koivu. Well, after an extended period as teammates, having Kovelov on the same team didn't seem to help Koivu much. I think Koivu is capable of scoring a solid 55-65 points and being among the league's top on and off ice leaders....2nd line numbers. To me a first line center must be capable of scoring 25 goals, and 80 points, regularly. Koivu is past that. He might make it one season, but he'll never do season in, season out. But that's okay, his contribution goes beyond stats. We need a number center capable of what I just said and then Koivu will be given less coverage and maybe will be able to produce more and be injured less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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