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How much is Winnipeg paying Helleybuyck, or Tampa paying Vasilevskiy? Would joint over that - and yes I know that Tampa is a tax free state. Bottom line is they set a max limit and stick with it - they played hardball with Stamkos in his last deal and are doing it again. You have to do that in a cap system. You shouldn’t be spending more than $10m total for goaltending - certainly not the $14m-$15m we were paying Price and Allen!

Yeah, don’t agree where Price would hover. Do you not recall his last inconsistency in 3 of his last 5 years?? He was injured, but he certainly wasn’t even close to the league leaders in a few of those years. If we had Roy with Price as his backup, we MAY have won 5 more games than we did.

We’ll he was captain (not sure why), and was the captain for the forum closing and opening of the cursed bell centre.

Well Premieau isn’t ready yet. Allen SHOULD be moved while he’s healthy, and we aren’t going to pull a Vasilevskiy out of our ass. So im okay with reasonable deal for Montembault as a stop gap - but don’t want an over commitment. i want a good dependable goalie, but never want to go backs to the Bergevin Carey Price and nothing else model ever again .

Can we please keep Caufield with Suzuki and Anderson off the PP!

I suppose I spoke too soon. Back to bad Anderson🙄

Exhibit A of the types of giveaways Matheson can’t be making. Exhibit B is a poor decision by Barron of on going behind the net. Hopefully we win the challenge.

Agreed. Depending on what reasonable is. Anything over $3m, or over 3 years (prefer two), IMO is too much.

I’m not in favour of signing Montembault to a long term contract yet, or sign him for too much of a hit. But I wouldn’t want to choose Premieu over him at this point. i also don’t think Montembault’s career save percentage matters or factors into how much he is worth, or if he is the right choice. He’s only been a starter for a year. I also don’t have a problem with going with a 1a/1b approach if we have the right guys. Hell, during the one goalie 80’s era, in regular season, the Oilers went with a tandem until Fuhr pulled ahead of Moog. My concern with signing Montembeault is we still don’t know if he he’s become a legit starting goalie, or is a flash in the pan. And anything over $3m is probably is too much. I thought we paid Allen too much, while quite a few folks thought it was a good contract. I doubt if we could move him now without either retaining salary or taking another bad contract back.

At least it’s probably the best Anderson has looked. He’s been in the right place and making the right play. he’s just snake-bitten right now. i feel more sorry for his linemates. His luck seems to rub off on everyone else.

Matheson is exhibit A of an example of a dman that at times looks like a legit top pairing guy, but clearly isn’t one. He is an elite skater very skilled, but just makes too many bad decisions. i don’t pay too much attention to giveaways for a puck moving skating dman - if you are going to carry thr puck, you are going to give away more than stay at home shot blocking, chase thr play dman. the issue with Matheson is he just doesn’t seem to have a brain at times, and just is not consistent bough to be a true top pairing guy. He’s a lot like the streaky 20 goal scorer with a great shot and speed, but will never be a 30 or 40 goal guy.

Michkov as supposedly close to Bedard leading up to this draft year. he fell because of his contract, the Russian factor and whisper campaigns about his “character” (the favorite method of character assassination any the Bergevin/Therrien types). Cooley absolutely looks elite. He seems to be the same TYPE of player as Jack Hughes, while Leonard was compared to Tkachuk.

Point is that Slafkovsky came on really from the Olympics forward and was really a more legit #1 ranking after the WC. Before that it was Wright and then Cooley. It’s always a risk when someone jumps so much on the basis of two tournaments, and in Slafkovsky’s case - size fetish. Id prefer a higher skilled guy for a #1 pick. Right now we are kind of hoping he’s a Leclair (who was really a project), but that’s typically not the guy you draft at #1 overall. At times the kid has shown a lot of potential. My preference would have been to play in the CHL last year to get used to the North American game. Let him dominate. Even after they decided to keep him, it was just plain stupid not to let him play in the WJC - let him be a leader and play some more meaningful games. the handling Slafkovsky is really the only major complaint I have of HuGo. I don’t have issue with picking him, but I do think rolling the dice on him probably was a factor in passing on Michkov. Hopefully it will work out well, but I have a hard time seeing him develop into a better player than Cooley. Right now we didn’t even know if he will Be better than Wright. We have needed a big power forward who can score for a LONG time. Just not sure if that’s Slafkovsky’s game??

top 5 strategies for Bergevin: 1) Anything can happen, as long as you are a bubble team that can squeak into the playoffs. 2) Character is the only thing that matters. Unless you are big. If your big and have character like Kassian, than character doesn’t matter. 3) Big is good. It’s more important then then skill. skill is over-rated, I wasn’t skilled and played 19 years. A team full of mediocre assholes like me had to be good. They just have to have big biceps like me, we don’t need any of those small Patrick Kane types. 4) you have to build through the draft. Building through the draft means you trade the best pick you ever make (Sergechev). Development is not important - that’s why i had my bum buddy from my teenage years as the coach for the minor league team. Besides you don’t need a coach to develop young players because you should rush 18 year olds into the NHL - even if they aren’t ready. After all, that’s what building though the draft means. You have to build though the draft because teams just don’t trade young centres like Dach and Newhook. 5) if you have Price, you don’t really need to score goals. Just need to win 1-0, or 2-1. So if price gets hurt in November, you call it a year.

Michkov, Leonard, Cooley.

I thought the choice was between wright and Cooley three months prior to the draft. Slafkovsky came out of nowhere, gaining steam after the Olympics and world championships. Reinbacher also rose drastically in the draft rankings during the year. I do wonder if we would have taken Michkov this year if we hadn’t already taken the gamble on the Slafkovsky pick. The Reinbacher pick seemed to be an attempt to take the safe pick of someone who should at least be a top 4, rather than trying to go for the best player available. They probably didn’t want to take a risk that they blow both high picks in consecutive years.

I’d be fine with 3x3, but would want to go over that. I’d prefer $3mx2, if we can’t move Allen - Montembeault isn’t giving a good vibe so far. Analytics are decent, but he hasn’t come up with the timely saves when needed as much this year. Goalies are hard to love if they play like crap and are signed for too long and too much. The 25/26 and 26/27 seasons are the ones we need to make a serious push for the playoffs and MAY be ready to make a NJD like progression. Having lousy goaltending and inability to move them will be an issue to take that next step if we don’t find the right goalie by then. I also don’t want a 3 goalie situation like this year.

So far it’s making my lofty predictions for both (Suzuki points, Caulfield goals) seem unlikely.

I wouldn’t want to commit more than that. Too many flag in the pan goalies. We can’t afford to make a mistake and be in an Edmonton situation. Pre-cap when teams made mistakes on one or two year wonders, it was only a financial impact. Now those types of mistakes on a key position like goaltending can kill you. If he doesn’t want to do a reasonable 2-3 year deal, then let’s move him. We have time to find the goalie of the future, and I’m not sold that he’s it.

What’s not a shocker is Coffey as an assistant coach - this owner seems to love handing out jobs to the old dynasty team whether they are what’s needed or not!

Is Andersson injured?

I can’t see Allen netting anywhere more than a 3rd or equivalent player on his own.

Really - I really don’t want him to keep getting instigator and game misconducts. He needs to work on becoming a better all round player, rather than just being an enforcer.

Just try Grammerly. I wish a web version existed full-time - including on forums. With my big hands, I always have typos and the Apple autocorrect is horrible. I should probably proofread my posts before posting - usually notice typos and apple’s horrible autocorrect mistakes after the fact!

100% was going to respond with the same point. I’d like to see Monohan take Dach’s spot between Slafkovsky and Newhook.