Mils Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=190841&hubname=nhl Kansas City isn't messing around, the offer they made for the penguins is legitimate. I don't think Pittsburgh is going to pony up the resources to keep the penguins. I think this would be the first former stanley cup champions to be moved. (Since the official beginning in 1918 of course, not including the Maroons and the Wanderers and the St. Pats and those teams.) i'd be excited to to see a team in K.C. Probably means that Crosby, Malkin, Fleury and company would be in the N.W. division with my avalanche. Columbus to the Atlantic, Minnesota to the Central, K.C. to the Northwest. Crosses fingers. **Link updated as the story changed. Apparently Pittsburgh is digging their heels in too. This should be an interesting story if nothing else.** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I doubt it, it's good travel for the Avs but for the Canadian teams, it's quicker to get to Minnesota. I wouldn't want them in our division anyway, Crosby and Malkin 8 times a year? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Stealth Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I doubt it, it's good travel for the Avs but for the Canadian teams, it's quicker to get to Minnesota. I wouldn't want them in our division anyway, Crosby and Malkin 8 times a year? No thanks. Tell me about it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ Kansas City isn't messing around, the offer they made for the penguins is legitimate. I don't think Pittsburgh is going to pony up the resources to keep the penguins. I think this would be the first former stanley cup champions to be moved. (Since the official beginning in 1918 of course, not including the Maroons and the Wanderers and the St. Pats and those teams.) i'd be excited to to see a team in K.C. Probably means that Crosby, Malkin, Fleury and company would be in the N.W. division with my avalanche. Columbus to the Atlantic, Minnesota to the Central, K.C. to the Northwest. Crosses fingers. AGAIN how many times do I have to say IN ORDER FOR A TEAM TO SURVIVE IN KC IT MUST BE IN THE SAME DIVISION AS ST. LOUIS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 AGAIN how many times do I have to say IN ORDER FOR A TEAM TO SURVIVE IN KC IT MUST BE IN THE SAME DIVISION AS ST. LOUIS!!! You are 100% correct. But on the K.C. move many believe it to be a bargning chip for Mario to bring back to the pa state authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenadian Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 What happens in a couple years when the novelty of NHL hockey (and attendance) wears off; then they'll be looking to move once again....... Bring a team (any US team) back to Canada; and they won't have to worry about those issues.....just the Canadian dollar and taxes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 But on the K.C. move many believe it to be a bargning chip for Mario to bring back to the pa state authorities. I agree. I think Mario and company are gonna get something done in Pittsburgh. The casino that got the contract originally offered to pay for 80ish% of a new arena over 30 years, I think the city and/or the casino will find a way to get something done, especially with outside pressure now becoming clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 What happens in a couple years when the novelty of NHL hockey (and attendance) wears off; then they'll be looking to move once again....... Bring a team (any US team) back to Canada; and they won't have to worry about those issues.....just the Canadian dollar and taxes.... That will definitely happen in Kansas City if the Blues are not in the same division as the KC team. If Bettman does not put the team in the same division as the Blues then this will just be another quick stop like all other KC failed franchises before the team moves out west (presumably) again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenadian Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Well St. Louis in averaging ONLY 11, 300 per game now.......14, 213 last year....18,560 pre lockout.... ....So I don't think them being in the same division will help (maybe short term but St. Louis' attendance has been dropping as well) http://www.mib.org/~lennier/hockey/leagueatt.cgi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Mario would be foolish to not take the KC offer. Obviously, they want the team there and are willing to put up the necessary stakes to make it happen. Even if Pittsburgh matches the KC offer, Mario should still walk because the attitude in PA is not conducive to good business. He'd still have to grovel to the PA authorities to get anything done while KC will bend over backwards to keep him happy. Hello KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 it has nothing to do with saint louis people in Kansas City only care about saint louis being a rival they hate us. We don't hate them since most of us Chiefs fans in the '90s but now everyone over there despises Saint Louis. For example the Royals only sell out when the Cardinals come to town. Saint Louis could careless but Kansas City people need to play a saint louis team. Its bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortcat1 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 on that fan something90 talk show on tv tonight, the guy with the sunglasses in the radio studio and his co-hosts were saying that KC is offering free rent to the penguins if they come and, on top of that, they already have the arena. also, one of the or THE money guy involved in KC already has good relations with the NHL. with all of that in mind, it's altogether very possible... supposedly, mario lemieux & gang will give them an answer in 30 days. GO :hlogo: GO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 it will only work if KC moves to the Central and Columbus moves to the Atlantic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortcat1 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 it will only work if KC moves to the Central and Columbus moves to the Atlantic i just heard that KC is also offering the team 50% of the take in all team related activities... i don't know if that's unusual but it certainly seems attractive. the only thing better would be for the team to own the building too. GO :hlogo: GO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mils Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 First, there was an excellent point made about the convenience of travel for the Canadian Northwest teams. (Another quote block in this post seemed redundant.) it has nothing to do with saint louis people in Kansas City only care about saint louis being a rival they hate us. We don't hate them since most of us Chiefs fans in the '90s but now everyone over there despises Saint Louis. For example the Royals only sell out when the Cardinals come to town. Saint Louis could careless but Kansas City people need to play a saint louis team. Its bizarre. The Chiefs are AFC......the Rams are NFC...... I understand selling out games between St.L and K.C., but for the team to succeed in the long term, I don't think there's a lot of support for the idea that they MUST be in the same division. on that fan something90 talk show on tv tonight, the guy with the sunglasses in the radio studio and his co-hosts were saying that KC is offering free rent to the penguins if they come and, on top of that, they already have the arena. also, one of the or THE money guy involved in KC already has good relations with the NHL. with all of that in mind, it's altogether very possible... supposedly, mario lemieux & gang will give them an answer in 30 days. GO :hlogo: GO! Shortcat is my new favorite. That's all in the article too. (The info about the rent, not Shortcat being my favorite.) I doubt it, it's good travel for the Avs but for the Canadian teams, it's quicker to get to Minnesota. I wouldn't want them in our division anyway, Crosby and Malkin 8 times a year? No thanks. I would kill to see those guys in "The Can" (Pepsi Center) 4 times a year. As long as we have to put up with this ridiculous schedule, why not bring in some of the most exciting players on skates? Link updated for freshness. 6 a.m. EST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortcat1 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 First, there was an excellent point made about the convenience of travel for the Canadian Northwest teams. (Another quote block in this post seemed redundant.) The Chiefs are AFC......the Rams are NFC...... I understand selling out games between St.L and K.C., but for the team to succeed in the long term, I don't think there's a lot of support for the idea that they MUST be in the same division. Shortcat is my new favorite. That's all in the article too. (The info about the rent, not Shortcat being my favorite.) I would kill to see those guys in "The Can" (Pepsi Center) 4 times a year. As long as we have to put up with this ridiculous schedule, why not bring in some of the most exciting players on skates? Link updated for freshness. 6 a.m. EST. :?- :?- :?- sarcasm :?- :?- :?- GO :hlogo: GO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mont Royale Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Mario would be foolish to not take the KC offer. Obviously, they want the team there and are willing to put up the necessary stakes to make it happen. Even if Pittsburgh matches the KC offer, Mario should still walk because the attitude in PA is not conducive to good business. He'd still have to grovel to the PA authorities to get anything done while KC will bend over backwards to keep him happy. Hello KC. I disagree. Just because KC makes an attractive offer for the team (with respect to the arena) doesn't mean Mario should take it. His ownership interest in the team would be maximized by the long term economics of the team, which largely depends on the market. I don't think he cares if it's a good arena deal for the next 20-30 years, because he won't be the owner. Obviously a better arena deal would help him extract more money in the sale of the team, but there are other factors as well... namely, that KC is an unproven hockey market (or proven to be unsuccessful, if you prefer). Pittsburgh is a strong hockey market. Potential buyers know that the arena deal is but one part of the equation in making a successful investment, and the other ones are in Pittsburgh's favour, IMO. Mario said yesterday that he was optimistic after meeting with the PA/local politicos. I have to agree with Fanpuck that the KC deal is all about providing leverage to get the best deal in Pittsburgh. If the deals are roughly similar (even if Pittsburgh's is slightly worse), the team will stay. The governer of PA seems to think so too: "When you factor in the tremendous fan base here and the fact that hockey has failed in Kansas City, I think we will beat it,” Rendell said. Source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Mils the only real sport that has a core following is football in KC. The other sports that are there and have been there in past have been passing fads and or band wagon jumpers if the team is good. You don't know how important it is for KC to be in the Blues division. After the honeymoon wheres off and the attendance drops, the team will need an attraction to put people in the seats. KC is very weird when it comes to this. I don't have to look any further then baseball again. There would be 5,000 people at a game in KC and then the Cardinals come to town the whole series would have been sold out the instant tickets would have gone on sale. And the place wouldn't be full of cardinal fans but Royal supporters who don't really like the royals but loathe saint louis. Its a long story on how the only two cities in the state hate each other. And plus people would come to watch the KC team here as well. For example if Quebec City ever got a team back would you put it in a different division then the Habs? NO! Same thing applies here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I would kill to see those guys in "The Can" (Pepsi Center) 4 times a year. As long as we have to put up with this ridiculous schedule, why not bring in some of the most exciting players on skates? Link updated for freshness. 6 a.m. EST. ... Because they'd kill us? They're on their way to another 80s Oilers team. Move them to the Western Conference if you want (the Central really does make more sense anyway) then we'll get to see them a couple times but I don't want to compete with them in the same division. I've got a soft spot for Minnesota too so it would suck to see them leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07005/751444-61.stm I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mils Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 ... Because they'd kill us? They're on their way to another 80s Oilers team. Move them to the Western Conference if you want (the Central really does make more sense anyway) then we'll get to see them a couple times but I don't want to compete with them in the same division. I've got a soft spot for Minnesota too so it would suck to see them leave. You think that Malkin, Crosby, Fleury and the rest of those guys will all fit on the same roster in 3 years? There's no way this team is going to be that dominant. Money will tear that team to shreds, compliments of free agency. My angle here is that instead of the Minnesota Wild, I would much rather get to watch two of the three or four best young players in the game regularly in a game that matters to me. I see where you're coming from as far as competitiveness. But I think Wolski, Stastny, Svatos (maybe), Liles, Leopold (assuming one of those two doesn't get traded), Richardson (despite his recent demotion) will be a part of a good solid team in coming years. Boychuk is in the AHL still, and we have Ryan Stoa among others in the AHL. I think those would be awesome games next season and the season after. As we all know, though, the avalanche need to get a grip on their goalie situation. PTG: Point well taken, I respectfully disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I honestly do think they'll stick together because I think the cap will have gone up a couple times by the time they all hit free agency. They're going to have a monster team for years to come that I don't want to compete with. We'll be decent in a few years but our D is bone-dry right now. I think Boychuk will live up to expectations and Liles is well on his way to stardom but we're screwed after that. We've got too many projects in the organization and not enough NHL-ready guys. In 5 years we should be a really good team but it's going to be tough till then. A moderate 6th-10th team up until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=191462&hubname= Oklahoma City is expressing interest, woohoo! Portland and Houston as well. Oklahoma City would be the next best thing if a Canadian team doesn't manage to get the Penguins. As for a division, it's tough to find a spot for Oklahoma. Maybe move them into the Pacific, move a team there into the Northwest, move Minnesota (I know I said that would be stupid but Minny is the most ideal team to move) to the Central and move Columbus to the Atlantic. A team in O.C would probably further the movement to lessen the amount of divisions, get them back down to four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I think when the pens move to KC they should realign the division to be honest I'd love to see Colorado-KC-Dallas-Minnesota-St louis-Chicago in a division but then that would really mess up the other western divisions because Denver and KC have a history of not getting along at least in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I think when the pens move to KC they should realign the division to be honest I'd love to see Colorado-KC-Dallas-Minnesota-St louis-Chicago in a division but then that would really mess up the other western divisions because Denver and KC have a history of not getting along at least in football. The Broncos/Chiefs rivalry is years in the making though, same with Broncos/Raiders. I really doubt the Avs would have any kind of problem with a KC team. If they re-align anyway, Colorado will be in the same division as the Canadian teams because 1) All Canadian teams will be in the same division and 2) Colorado has a really good rivalry with the Canucks that the NHL is trying to build on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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