fromage Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 The last rookie to score 80 points was Evgeni Malkin in 2006-2007 with 85 points. Next is Ovechkin and Crosby with their 100 point seasons. That's it in the last 15 years. Hell, the only 70 point players aside from who I mentioned were Patrick Kane, Paul Stastny and Dany Heatley. 50 points is considered a top rookie year and has been for quite some time now. Let the idiots have ridiculous expectations because they still think scoring is the way it was in the mid 90s. Ryder had 65 and didnt even win Calder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zowpeb Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I don't buy many of the arguments about rushing guys. The only way you can rush a guy is 1) he's not physically mature enough, muscular enough, to handle the pounding and gets injured. 2) he's not getting enough minutes to develop his game. As long as the kid is physically ready, and is contributing to the team and gets meaningful minutes... You can't mentally wreck a kid, I don't buy that for a second. - no matter when you call a kid up, he's gonna have good stretches and bad stretches... if mentally he falls apart after a bad stretch at 19, he's gonna fall apart after a bad stretch at 25, all you are doing is delaying the inevitable. A mentally strong person will overcome the challenge, a mentally weak one won't but would have fallen apart later if you shelter them anyways. How can the kid get meaningful minutes at C with DD, Pleks and Eller there? Without a good answer to this you don't bring him up and shuffle him around positions, line-mates and minutes all season. In Montreal that is a recipe to having fans and media calling him a bust...if you think a 19 year old is as mentally mature as a 25 year old, or even a 23 year old, you are crazy. Coming back to play in the playoffs is no comparison to playing them after a full regular season...even in junior. I'm all for challenging a prospect to overcome adversity and face fresh challenges...but they also need to be attainable goals...how can he attain good goals in Montreal with Pleks, DD and Eller getting top 3 C minutes and the media calling him a bust after his first 20 games...and unless he puts up 15 points they WILL be doing that. Hell, people already want our coach fired...lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Hell, people already want our coach fired...lol... Those people are acting the same way people acted when Montreal didn't keep Kovalev and traded Halak. I would never want to be in that company. Cucumber seems to want to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 How can the kid get meaningful minutes at C with DD, Pleks and Eller there? Without a good answer to this you don't bring him up and shuffle him around positions, line-mates and minutes all season. In Montreal that is a recipe to having fans and media calling him a bust...if you think a 19 year old is as mentally mature as a 25 year old, or even a 23 year old, you are crazy. Coming back to play in the playoffs is no comparison to playing them after a full regular season...even in junior. I'm all for challenging a prospect to overcome adversity and face fresh challenges...but they also need to be attainable goals...how can he attain good goals in Montreal with Pleks, DD and Eller getting top 3 C minutes and the media calling him a bust after his first 20 games...and unless he puts up 15 points they WILL be doing that. Hell, people already want our coach fired...lol... Whats more valuable? 15-18 minutes per game as a LW in the NHL, a faster league and playing a rougher style. or 25 minutes at Centre in the OHL, where he will dominate? If he's ready for 15-18 minutes, i keep him up ala Tyler Seguin. The big question is if he's ready seeing as he missed a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalPanesar Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Ryder had 65 and didnt even win Calder. Yep, Raycroft beat him out. Remember Raycroft? He was great for six minutes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Yep, Raycroft beat him out. Remember Raycroft? He was great for six minutes... Great enough for Toronto to give up Tukka Rask for him. The one trade Leaf fans HATE to hear about because there's no possible way they can spin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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