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I am willing to negotiate haha

How about Simmonds and Luke Schenn for Eller, Emelin, Fucale and a first?

I think we can all agree Gilbert is a bum but it's not as easy as bringing up Tinordi to replace him. Gilbert is the only RH shooting D we have other than PK. Do we go for Franson like we initially intended to in the offseason?

Fun fact for the day: MaxPac is 1st overall in the NHL so far with a +29! I don't recall a time where a Hab was among the leaders in that category. Give that man the 'C'

So by your logic, a 19 year old Kane was better than a 20-23 year old Kane, but will somehow be a 35-45 goal scorer in the future. Makes sense. Also by your logic, the 2 prospects and the 1st round draft pick won't amount to anything of significance because they are only middle to late first round. Somebody better break the bad news to the kids, Habs29 said so. I didn't realize you were in discussions with GM's around the league to get a value on the market for Stafford. 3rd or 4th round pick is his value I guess. And finally, the Leafs traded 2 firsts and 1 second round pick for Kessel. If you consider the Jets/Sabres deal to be Myers = Bogosian, then that means Kane + Kasdorf = 2 firsts (Armia, pick) + 1 second (Lemieux)+ Stafford. I don't see how that is giving up more considering when the Leafs made the deal they clearly didn't believe they would be picking second overall the following year. And you would rather Kane than Kessel? As much as I love busting Kessel's chops, you have to give credit where credit is due. The guy is like top 5 in scoring over the last few years, while Kane has been busy taking pictures with stacks of money, alienating himself from his team and regressing as a player from age 19 as you have already stated. Exactly. Can you imagine? Luckily MB is running the show

Myers>Bogosian Stafford, 2 prospects not 1, and a 1st round pick > Kane Considering the corner that Winnipeg was painted in, they made out like bandits in this deal. Joel Armia was drafted 16th overall, Brendan Lemieux is Claude's boy and was drafted 31st overall and another 1st round pick to add to the Jets already impressive arsenal of prospects. This deal makes them better right now AND in the future. I also don't understand the love fest for Kane, he popped 30 goals one time and hasn't even hit 20 any other year. Sure he has the tools to possibly reach his potential but doesn't mean he has the toolbox to carry them around in. And if recent and past events are any indication, I'm not so sure it will be a happy ending for Buffalo.

Armchair fan's opinion > player and coach's opinion obviously

That is an intriguing proposal but I think it leaves too much of a hole on our D. Plus I think I like making fun of dough boy too much for him to be a Hab

I have no idea why people make a point by saying " if we didn't have Price we would be screwed". Well, we DO have Carey Price. He is one of the best players in the league and we are lucky to have him. There is no question that our game plan is centered around the fact that we DO have him. Until we DON'T have him and we are losing games, that argument is invalid.

But Vinny is the big number 1 center we have always yearned for

It's not his fault he might be miscast as a first liner. My point was that he brings great value to the team for what he is getting paid.

Here's a list of forwards making more than DD with less points so far this season: Moulson Gionta Hodson Stewart Stafford Weisse Franzen Jokinen Fleishmann Bolland Micalek Clarkson Lupul Skinner Semin Dubinsky Henrique Clow Cammalleri Elias Zajac Kulemin Grabovski Read Lecavalier Umberger Brouwer Laich Bickell Briere O'Reilly Hemsky Cole Horcoff Koivu Fisher Neal Berglund Kane Erat Doan Jones Pouliot Purcell Hall Richards Gaborik Brown Burrows

You make it sound like 3.5m for 49 points is a bad thing. Compare that around the league and you will be surprised

Poor Pekka Rinne gets no love. It's easy to watch Price game in and game out because he plays on our favorite team, but it's easy to overlook what Rinne means to first place Nashville. Nobody predicted the year that they are having, and him getting injured means he sort of got lost in the Hart/Vezina conversation. Rinne - 30-7-2 Backups - 5-5-4 Believe me, I am one of the biggest Price fans there is, but don't forget about all the other great players in the league. Carey is no question the Habs MVP but there are 29 other teams that also have an MVP on their team.

He scored 67 points last year (14 more than the next guy on his team), and also more than anyone on the Habs.....I don't think asking to be an important part of a team is too much to ask for after putting up those numbers. I don't consider a first ballot hall of famer a so-so 2nd liner no matter how old he is. If not Jagr, then who? Hey, Weise got 2 goals last night, may as well leave him up in the top 6.

Lol my bad. Okay keep those spots in mind when it's in Montreal

The after game spot for sure. Bring lots of money or access to more money

I always like going to Le Cage attached to the Bell Center before the game. The food is just fair, but the atmosphere and beer is great. I'd suggest going a few hours before game time as it gets packed in there fairly quickly. And don't forget your game ticket, you'll need it to get in the bar.

He was one of the only players I did notice. Perhaps I was making it a point to check him out though, I don't know. But his skating, positioning and board work was good. And he made a great no look back hand pass to spring a Devil for a scoring chance. Also he set up a play in close in the crease that was a sure goal if a Hab didn't take away the stick last second.

What difference does that make unless we don't have the cap space available? I'm no capologist but I haven't heard anywhere saying that we can't bring him in because of cap issues.

The more I think about it, the more I want Jagr and nobody else. He still looks great out there and would really help this lineup, without sacrificing much from the future. The guy is 5th ALL TIME in scoring and has shown interest in coming to Montreal in the past. I want no part of a deal that sends a player like De La Rose out for Vermette. We need a bonafide top 6 RW and there is no name on the market sexier than Jaromir Jagr....and just think how fun it would be to do the salute after he scores

That has disaster written all over it

The thought of being able to acquire Kane at a reduced cost than before sounds very enticing, but it is hard to put together a trade that makes sense for both teams. Unless they would take Desharnais/Eller + prospect/pick, not much else makes much sense for us.

This is exactly how I feel on the subject, our whole is greater than the sum of our parts....or whatever that saying is. The team is successful and it really does not matter who scores how many goals and how often. I would take a 1-0 win each and every game if that's what it takes. One of my pet peeves is when people complain about a second or third liner for not being a consistent scorer. Well if they were a consistent scorer they would be a first line player. I'm totally fine with guys like Eller and Gally going through goal droughts as long as the team is winning and they are contributing in other ways. Plus you know they will eventually go on a hot streak.

Is he overvalued though? No he doesn't put up the points that perhaps a good scorer does, but surely his intangibles are off the charts. I have been watching him for a couple years now and each and every game I am amazed at how hard he competes. Even at the end of the game last night he went right after Myers, the kid has no fear.