CerebusClone Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Should the Hart trophy only be awarded to offensive forwards considering that the best defenseman is already awarded the Norris, the best goaltender is awarded the Vezina, and the best defensive forward is awarded the Selke? If not should the NHL introduce a new Wayne Gretzky trophy for the player voted best offensive forward? Or is the Art Ross enough even though it’s only based on statistics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Sorry, but the first choice is just silly. You can't just stop giving the Hart to the league's MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think the Art Ross is enough. There's the Rocket Richard for most goals too. Those two trophies pretty much cover it. No need for another. And the Wayne Gretzky Trophy? :puke: Well, if it means he must be dead first, I could go with that... (yes, I hate Gretz) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Sorry, but the first choice is just silly. You can't just stop giving the Hart to the league's MVP. It's still a possibility, which is why I suggested that another award could be introduced. In that case you have an award for every category, with the Hart awarded to the league MVP. This has been proposed before, and other trophies have changed over the years. The Vezina used to be pretty much the Jennings, and was changed as the player voted best goaltender in the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think the Art Ross is enough. There's the Rocket Richard for most goals too. Those two trophies pretty much cover it. No need for another. And the Wayne Gretzky Trophy? :puke: Well, if it means he must be dead first, I could go with that... (yes, I hate Gretz) Or perhaps the Art Ross could be awarded according to a vote by NHL executives, as it is the case for the Vezina and the Norris. Of course there's also the Pearson, but that's voted by the NHLPA. That is a lot of trophies (the Messier leadership award? please...)... yet some categories are left out. If there is an award for most goals, why not assists? Maybe one day we'll see a Mike Komisarek award for most hits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Or perhaps the Art Ross could be awarded according to a vote by NHL executives, as it is the case for the Vezina and the Norris. Of course there's also the Pearson, but that's voted by the NHLPA. That is a lot of trophies (the Messier leadership award? please...)... yet some categories are left out. If there is an award for most goals, why not assists? Maybe one day we'll see a Mike Komisarek award for most hits Well I think that the player who finish with most points somehow deserves bragging rights as the best offensive forward and the Art Ross sorta fits there. Not really any need for a vote. It's not really the same as goalies & defensemen where stats aren't really telling the entire story. But I know what you mean. Like the Vezina was given to the goalies allowing the fewest goals until it was turned into best goalies. I'm just having a hard time seeing people voting for a guy different than the one who finishes with the most points. If you look back at the list of Art Ross winners, it's tough to make a case for the best offensive forward not being the one that finished with most points unless the race was really close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markierung Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think the Art Ross is enough. There's the Rocket Richard for most goals too. Those two trophies pretty much cover it. No need for another. And the Wayne Gretzky Trophy? :puke: Well, if it means he must be dead first, I could go with that... (yes, I hate Gretz) good, finally! someone else who hates him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markierung Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 If there is an award for most goals, why not assists? Maybe one day we'll see a Mike Komisarek award for most hits I don't really like the Idea of a most assist award, as too many of them are 2nd assists. Also, despite what some might say...it is harder to score than to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 I don't really like the Idea of a most assist award, as too many of them are 2nd assists. Also, despite what some might say...it is harder to score than to pass. I never said I think there should be one either... but when you handing out awards for being a leader (highly subjective) and for being a nice guy, that opens up a whole new bunch of possibilities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Well I think that the player who finish with most points somehow deserves bragging rights as the best offensive forward and the Art Ross sorta fits there. Not really any need for a vote. It's not really the same as goalies & defensemen where stats aren't really telling the entire story. But I know what you mean. Like the Vezina was given to the goalies allowing the fewest goals until it was turned into best goalies. I'm just having a hard time seeing people voting for a guy different than the one who finishes with the most points. If you look back at the list of Art Ross winners, it's tough to make a case for the best offensive forward not being the one that finished with most points unless the race was really close. I know what you mean, but there are several factors that affect how many points a player can get. The most obvious examples is games played, if a player is 2 points short of the lead, but played 70 games instead of 82, he's statiscally a much better player while having played enough games to be considered. Also some players produce in great parts because of the linemates, Jonathan Cheechoo isn't that great a goal scorer, but managed to win the Rocket Richard trophy because Joe Thornton was phenomenal. Other factors such as consistency would probably be considered, for example a guy who contributes almost every game would get more votes than another player who scores 4-5 points once in a while to make up for his many slumps. But then again I guess in theory that award is the Lester B. Pearson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I don't really like the Idea of a most assist award, as too many of them are 2nd assists. Also, despite what some might say...it is harder to score than to pass. Ask Sean Bergenheim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markierung Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Ask Sean Bergenheim... care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 As long as the current qualification to get an assist is merely to touch the puck, then there should be no trophy for the most assists. I do think that there should be a trophy for the highest scoring defenseman, and the Norris should go to the best overall defenseman, whether he racks up points or not should not be relevant. High scoring defensemen always seem to get a bit of an edge when it comes to Norris consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 As long as the current qualification to get an assist is merely to touch the puck, then there should be no trophy for the most assists. I do think that there should be a trophy for the highest scoring defenseman, and the Norris should go to the best overall defenseman, whether he racks up points or not should not be relevant. High scoring defensemen always seem to get a bit of an edge when it comes to Norris consideration. Although with the exception of perhaps Paul Coffey who was a truly dominating force offensively, the Norris pretty always goes to a dominant defenseman at both ends of the rink, and never to a Mark Streit or even a Sergei Gonchar earlier in his career. When you look at the list, it's difficult to blame the voting committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I don't really like the Idea of a most assist award, as too many of them are 2nd assists. Also, despite what some might say...it is harder to score than to pass. Ask Sean Bergenheim... care to elaborate? I think he's the one who was credited of the "O'Byrne's goal"... wasn't hard at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think he's the one who was credited of the "O'Byrne's goal"... wasn't hard at all... No, it was Guerin. Got me points in my fantasy league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The Lester B. Pearson Award goes to the "most outstanding player" which is generally the best offensive player. For example, they gave this to Jagr as a consolation prize after he lost to Thornton for the Hart. No, it was Guerin. Got me points in my fantasy league. lol I was pretty sure it was Weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 No, it was Guerin. Got me points in my fantasy league. Doh, the guy on radio said it was the first time he saw the same guy scoring a goal and receiving a penalty at the same time... fooled me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_faerie87 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 good, finally! someone else who hates him Make that three people who despise Gretz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markierung Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Make that three people who despise Gretz. nice!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 The Lester B. Pearson Award goes to the "most outstanding player" which is generally the best offensive player. For example, they gave this to Jagr as a consolation prize after he lost to Thornton for the Hart. Don't know how that would be possible, given that (a) the players vote for the Pearson while the media votes for the Hart and (b) no one knows the results of the voting until the awards are given out, which is usually the same day. The Hart voting is done when the regular season ends, and the Pearson voting is done after the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 A most assists trophy would be great. Name it the Gretzky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I Bourque at the idea of giving a best offensive forward award but I agree that the Defensman are McInnising out and should have another award for most offensive Dman. I'm not fan of Gretz either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_glorieux Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Not a Gretzky fan either. I really think that the number of trophies there are for offense is enough. Offensive defenseman might make sense since they have a defensive forward one. Still, that's getting kind of ridiculous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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