Doug Jarvis canned

[KoZed]

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/20...is-congedie.php

Perry Pearn is thought of as a potential replacement to Jarvis. Pearn was an ex-collegue of Martin in Ottawa.

[saskhab]

Never thought Kirk would be the one who stayed... although I thought maybe he'd get be offered the job opening in Hamilton.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

I am surprised that Muller is staying given that every other coach in the system has been canned. There is definitely an air of big time change happening in Montreal.

New coaches in Hamilton and in Montreal... Now we just need to change the player culture and we are on the right track.

I wonder who will be our new captain?

[Psycing]

I think Muller is well liked by the players, so he offers that aspect to the coaching staff - a guy who can provide motivation when needed, allowing Martin to focus on being the boss, and less of a "friend". Of course, I'm not familiar with Martin's exact coaching style in terms of how he builds relationships with the players, but I figure he'll be pretty strict from the get-go.

Jarvis always seemed to be Gainey's guy - but I never really heard much about what he brought to the table.

Here's hoping the Habs can find a former NHL defenseman as the other assistant - or at least someone who can work with the defensemen a bit better.

[saskhab]

Jarvis coached the powerplay, which did league the lead 2 years in a row before becoming a middle of the road unit last year (although post-Schneider trade it was dynamite again, until both Markov and Schneider got hurt).

[lazy26]

I think Muller is well liked by the players, so he offers that aspect to the coaching staff - a guy who can provide motivation when needed, allowing Martin to focus on being the boss, and less of a "friend". Of course, I'm not familiar with Martin's exact coaching style in terms of how he builds relationships with the players, but I figure he'll be pretty strict from the get-go.

Jarvis always seemed to be Gainey's guy - but I never really heard much about what he brought to the table.

Here's hoping the Habs can find a former NHL defenseman as the other assistant - or at least someone who can work with the defensemen a bit better.

My thoughts exactly. I think Kirk will be good in implementing a responsible offense and PP.

[alexstream]

Never thought Kirk would be the one who stayed... although I thought maybe he'd get be offered the job opening in Hamilton.

he was Carbo's intermediary, really close to the players... a player's buddy. if someone can introduce smoothly Martin to the players, it's Muller.

it's also an element of "continuity"

I am surprised that Muller is staying given that every other coach in the system has been canned. There is definitely an air of big time change happening in Montreal.

New coaches in Hamilton and in Montreal... Now we just need to change the player culture and we are on the right track.

I wonder who will be our new captain?

jarvis IMO was too conservative and there would have been frictions between him and Martin (ego questions I guess)

RE: AHL

I think they all get canned and Muller wasn't appointed there because they will go back to the old philosophy of hiring French speaking coaches there (AV, MT, CJ), in order to have fresh blood backup options for the main team. I wouldn't be surprised if Guy Boucher got the spot there.

[tokyohabs]

I think these guys got it right as to why Kirk was retained:

http://fourhabsfans.blogspot.com/2009/06/k...-continues.html

Clever boy Kirk - the Kingston bit is a brilliant cover...

[lazy26]

I think these guys got it right as to why Kirk was retained:

http://fourhabsfans.blogspot.com/2009/06/k...-continues.html

Clever boy Kirk - the Kingston bit is a brilliant cover...

lol.

[MAK]

Jarvis coached the powerplay, which did league the lead 2 years in a row before becoming a middle of the road unit last year (although post-Schneider trade it was dynamite again, until both Markov and Schneider got hurt).

I understand it was Muller, not Jarvis who was running PP.

[saskhab]

I understand it was Muller, not Jarvis who was running PP.

He wasn't two years ago, at least. I remember they had the PK specialist doing the PP and the PP specialist doing the PK... the thinking was they knew the opposition's tendencies and could break down ways to beat them at it. I remember Muller doing a bit on "Think Hockey" that had him teaching stick positioning on the PK.

[KoZed]

Jarvis has some merits, but crudely put, he was given a paycheck by Bob for being a long-time friend and was brought in to be Carbo's babysitter.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

For all that Gainey gets criticized, you can't accuse him of not being coldly merciless in his quest for excellence. The team was a disaster for three months this year, and heads are absolutely rolling. Gainey is sending the most powerful signal imaginable that he will not accept failure once he has assembled a team that has the talent to succeed. This would seem to be just the kind of demanding attitude that we'd want from our GM; but predictably the general tone of media and fan commentary is negative. That's Montreal for ya

[Chris]

I agre with you to a point, the coaching changes, assistants has all been done before. I agree it's a new start on that end but until you get rid of this bunch of crap players who don't perform, they'll be back where they started but with a new coach.

A real message is getting rid of Koivu, Kovalev and other UFA's who don't perform .

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

I agre with you to a point, the coaching changes, assistants has all been done before. I agree it's a new start on that end but until you get rid of this bunch of crap players who don't perform, they'll be back where they started but with a new coach.

A real message is getting rid of Koivu, Kovalev and other UFA's who don't perform .

Well, I have a feeling you'll be getting your wish, but we'll see. These Lecavalier rumours really seem to be heating up, too.

[Chris]

Let's hope so. Until it happens i am expecting the same old roster. I can't watch another year of the enigma, Koivu and others floating around.

I don't care much about VL, it will cost them Markov plus, I don't think 1 guy is worth all those players. As another poster said, we'l lbe just like Tampa, VL and a bunch of garbage.

[KoZed]

I agre with you to a point, the coaching changes, assistants has all been done before. I agree it's a new start on that end but until you get rid of this bunch of crap players who don't perform, they'll be back where they started but with a new coach.

A real message is getting rid of Koivu, Kovalev and other UFA's who don't perform .

My sentiment exactly.

I just hope Gainey goes the whole nine yard and follows his radical staff change with roster changes, but it's easier said than done.

[dlbalr]

Jarvis has some merits, but crudely put, he was given a paycheck by Bob for being a long-time friend and was brought in to be Carbo's babysitter.

I wouldn't necessarily say Carbo's babysitter, as he was brought into the organization a few years before Carbonneau was. Don't forget, he coached the Bulldogs for 2 years and then joined the Habs in 2005 at the beginning of the year, Carbonneau didn't get there until the mid-season change. I think Jarvis was part of the long-term plan, but I think it's the right time for him to move on.

[KoZed]

Well, I have a feeling you'll be getting your wish, but we'll see. These Lecavalier rumours really seem to be heating up, too.

That's because Montreal might be one of the few places with the cap space AND assets to make that deal work.

Losing Markov though isnt too exciting. He's as reliable as they come and can pile up points, but he does have some weaknesses. If the team is serious about going for a grittier make up, then Markov dont necessarily fit into that style.

One for one, AM for VL is slightly in Montreal's favor for that winning/leadership/grit extra Vinny has that Markov doesnt. It's the "plus" that worries me.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

My sentiment exactly.

I just hope Gainey goes the whole nine yard and follows his radical staff change with roster changes, but it's easier said than done.

That's the thing. It's *hard* to move players around. There is no point in dumping Koivu and Kovalev unless you have some superior replacements. Other teams aren't just going to give you guys, and UFAs are almost always overpriced. I know it's always tempting after a season like this to say 'let the young guys play! They couldn't do worse!' But that's not actually true.

(Myself, I hope he re-signs Kovalev and lets Koivu go, if only because moving Koivu will FORCE Bob to finally do something about our catastrophic situation at C. It doesn't have to be Vinny, though, who will be a tremendous acquisition but also a potential cap nightmare).

In any case, the coaching changes are NOT insignificant and I really believe that we will see a much more fundamentally sound and hard-working club on the ice this season, regardless of who is suiting up. More broadly, what these changes say to me is that 'conservative Bob' is pretty much over - he's seen what this team is up close and is not impressed. So bold moves player-wise would not surprise me at all.

[KoZed]

I wouldn't necessarily say Carbo's babysitter, as he was brought into the organization a few years before Carbonneau was. Don't forget, he coached the Bulldogs for 2 years and then joined the Habs in 2005 at the beginning of the year, Carbonneau didn't get there until the mid-season change. I think Jarvis was part of the long-term plan, but I think it's the right time for him to move on.

I said he was brought in because he was a long-time Gainey friend/associate first. The fact that he was brought up at the beginning of 2005 to mean only means that Gainey might have already had an embryo of coaching change in mind if he was unhappy with the team's performances.

Anyways, it was apparent last year that the team's problems ran deeper than simply with the head coach and that as a group the coaching staff & vets had trouble keeping the team united. Not much surprises in seeing Melanson and Jarvis go. I'd have expected Muller to go too though.

How about that D-man coach now?

[BTH]

That's because Montreal might be one of the few places with the cap space AND assets to make that deal work.

Losing Markov though isnt too exciting. He's as reliable as they come and can pile up points, but he does have some weaknesses. If the team is serious about going for a grittier make up, then Markov dont necessarily fit into that style.

One for one, AM for VL is slightly in Montreal's favor for that winning/leadership/grit extra Vinny has that Markov doesnt. It's the "plus" that worries me.

I wouldn't trade Markov for Lecavalier straight up (considering contracts). Pursuing Vinny will send us back into another Dark Age.

[KoZed]

That's the thing. It's *hard* to move players around. There is no point in dumping Koivu and Kovalev unless you have some superior replacements. Other teams aren't just going to give you guys, and UFAs are almost always overpriced. I know it's always tempting after a season like this to say 'let the young guys play! They couldn't do worse!' But that's not actually true.

(Myself, I hope he re-signs Kovalev and lets Koivu go, if only because moving Koivu will FORCE Bob to finally do something about our catastrophic situation at C. It doesn't have to be Vinny, though, who will be a tremendous acquisition but also a potential cap nightmare).

In any case, the coaching changes are NOT insignificant and I really believe that we will see a much more fundamentally sound and hard-working club on the ice this season, regardless of who is suiting up. More broadly, what these changes say to me is that 'conservative Bob' is pretty much over - he's seen what this team is up close and is not impressed. So bold moves player-wise would not surprise me at all.

I'm personally hoping Martin can bring the same work ethic he had managed to bring in Florida. The Panthers were neve strong but they were a pain to play against, sort of like the Preds. If we can play the same, with out talent, we'll be very annoying to play against.

But Martin will need the horses to play that way, something neither Therrien, Julien or Carbo had. They all got hung up to dry because they demanded a level of intensity the core players wouldnt buy into. Same will happen with Martin if Gainey keeps the same roster.

If we're gonna go into trade mode, Lecavalier or not, I hope Martin recommands Nathan Horton to Gainey. Horton would be the exact type of forward that'd fit the Martin mold.

[KoZed]

Pursuing Vinny will send us back into another Dark Age.

How?

His cap hit is a little more than 7M$ less than what Koivu & Kovalev make together; and he would probably bring more to the team on his own than those two put together. It's not like we lack wingers to replace Kovy; and Lecavalier >>>>> Koivu at C.

Markov alone can "buy" you a big chunk of Vinny. I dont think the Habs would have to throw in a whole bunch of players on top of Markov to seal the deal, unless Lawton is being a real ass. Vinny would solve the big 2-way C, game breaker & leadership problems all at once. Habs got plenty of youth in the system to surround him in nets, on D and up front; something TB never had.

[BTH]

How?

His cap hit is a little more than 7M$ less than what Koivu & Kovalev make together; and he would probably bring more to the team on his own than those two put together. It's not like we lack wingers to replace Kovy; and Lecavalier >>>>> Koivu at C.

Markov alone can "buy" you a big chunk of Vinny. I dont think the Habs would have to throw in a whole bunch of players on top of Markov to seal the deal, unless Lawton is being a real ass. Vinny would solve the big 2-way C, game breaker & leadership problems all at once. Habs got plenty of youth in the system to surround him in nets, on D and up front; something TB never had.

For one thing, our D would be Hamrlik at 5.5M, Gorges, possibly Schneider, and a bunch of rookies.

Then who do we surround him with at forward? For now, we have the Kostitsyns, Latendresse, Higgins, D'Agostini and Paccioretty. But what about when these guys, as well as both our goalies next summer, as well as all these rookie defensemen we'd be icing require bigger contracts? We'll have trouble retaining all our assets. Then, one day, Gainey feels that we're close to a Cup, tosses away his two top picks for the difference maker (like he did for Tanguay). The year's a bust, [Tanguay] walks away at the end of the season and we have a weak draft. At the following draft, our picks don't turn out very well either. All of a sudden, there are no more cheap Higginses and Kostitsyns and Guis coming up through the system to play on Vinny's wing. We then proceed to become the Tampa Bay Lightning and have no use to put our superstar to. We at least should have a franchise goalie as well.

Then factor in his contract: when Vinny's 38 years old and still being paid superstar money with a NMC, what are we going to do? What if his recent injuries turn out to be chronic?