PMAC Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 It appears that the starting line up is just about set http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Bond...4362/story.html 1. Max Pac Gomez Gianota 2. Mike Cammalleri Tomas Plekanec Andrei Kostitsyn 3.Maxim Lapierre and Guillaume Latendresse are with Matt D’Agostini 4. Glen Metropolit, Stewart and Travis Moen with Kyle Chipchura, and Ben Maxwell jockeying for one or two remaining spots. Defense 1. Markov and Spacek Not sure of the other pairings out of Hamirlik, Gill, Mara, Gorges, O' byrne Obyrne has improved a lot so far this camp, but does he make it as 7th D or does he squeek into the top 6? and at who's expense? Will Martin keep an extra forward or Weber as 8th D/ emergency wing a' la Streight/ Dandy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I could see the lines being: Cammalleri Gomez a.kost Pac Plekky Gionta Lats Lap Moen Stewart Metro Pyatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 no reason to break up Gionta and Gomez. They do alot of damage and keep the puck in the offensive zone. I would put Cammalari with them. He plays a more NA style like Gomez and Gionta, a much better fit IMO. Pacioretty Pleks Ak46. AK46 needs to be the man on the line. I don't like D"agi out there either, he is pretty useless and invisible on most nights. My fearless prediction: SK, AK and Pleks will NOT be members of this team by the trade deadline. BG will get a new winger or centre to play with Cammi and spread the wealth around. I like the D pairings, Hammer and Mara should play the top defensive minutes, let Markov and SPacek play against the esser forwards and the PP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Looks like a great lineup to me. I would like Maxwell to see some more AHL. I want Weber to make the NHL but it looks like we are out of space for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Pyatt isn't on the team. He's shown well, but he didn't make the team. It's Stewart, Chipchura, and Weber for the final 2 spots. Chipchura is injured, and will probably get a conditioning stint in Hamilton upon his return, so Stewart and Weber will get the first auditions. I really hope he use Weber exclusively as a d-man, as I don't think he's ready yet as a NHL PP specialist and think that role for him is too limited since I think he can make it as a top 4-dman in the future, not unlike Spacek. Starting lineup is likely: Pacioretty (until he bombs) - Gomez - Gionta Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn Latendresse - Lapierre - D'Agostini Moen - Metropolit - Laraque Stewart, Chipchura Markov - Spacek Hamrlik - Gorges Gill - Mara O'Byrne Or something to that effect. O'Byrne and Gill bring different strengths and are the 6 and 7 guys. O'Byrne brings physical presence, Gill brings a strong PK presence. Mara needs to get his legs, but he's a rock solid defender who has had one of the lowest giveaway totals in the NHL the past couple of years. Gorges needs to get his confidence back, but he deserves some time to figure it out. He's earned that right with his play. It's Gill that has to perform or else the team will turn to O'Byrne down the line. I could see a lot of line juggling between the top 3 lines to get the right combos. Pacioretty is not a first line winger in the NHL at all, so we'll see how long that lasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 The only reason I suggested Gionta and Plek be together on the 2nd line is that they seemed to have some good chemistry in preseason, I would be super happy with a little 'big' top line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 unless and until we see Plek, pacioretty, AK, and/or Latendresse show their ability to provide adequate secondary scoring I think it makes sense to throw one of the proven vets on the second line. I understand the logic of choosing to have one great line in lieu of 2 ok lines, but I'd at least try to put the team in a position to be a serious scoring threat for more than half the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Pacioretty (until he bombs) - Gomez - Gionta Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn Latendresse - Lapierre - D'Agostini Moen - Metropolit - Laraque Stewart, Chipchura Markov - Spacek Hamrlik - Gorges Gill - Mara O'Byrne That's pretty much what we should expect, but I think Gorges will quickly find himself back on the 6th/7th D spot. He just doesnt have enough talent and size and he's prone to defensive blunders. I'm also thinking if the 2nd and/or 3rd pair struggles moving the puck you'll see Markov and Spacek split up to spread the wealth. I also think you might see Camm and Gionta alternate between Gomez and Plekanec depending on how games go, and Martin might also be tempted to put the Big Line together (13-91-21) if we start needing offense and goals in the 3rd. Also if AKost pulls a, ahem, a Kostitsyn (ie. lazy individual play) you might see him bumped down to the Lats & Laps line. If that works, it might stick. Same for Dago. Being with Lats and Laps means he'll have to be sound defensively. If he can't keep up, Martin will have to shuffle things around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 unless and until we see Plek, pacioretty, AK, and/or Latendresse show their ability to provide adequate secondary scoring I think it makes sense to throw one of the proven vets on the second line. I understand the logic of choosing to have one great line in lieu of 2 ok lines, but I'd at least try to put the team in a position to be a serious scoring threat for more than half the game. I'd prefer a more proven commodity on the first line, and like the idea of Cammalleri-Gomez-Kostitsyn as a result. But AK needs to get his, uh, stuff together in order to make it happen. I'm okay with Pacioretty as part of a supporting line. I just don't like him playing against the league's top defenders, because you know every opponent is going to plan to shut down the Gomez line first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Lines # 1 and 2 are still a work in progress, but I approve # 3 and 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I like the D pairings, Hammer and Mara should play the top defensive minutes, let Markov and SPacek play against the esser forwards and the PP. Not sure what you mean by "esser forwards". But if you mean that Markov should play against the "lesser skilled forwards", may I just remind you that Ovechkin once said that Markov was the toughest guy to play against... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Not sure what you mean by "esser forwards". But if you mean that Markov should play against the "lesser skilled forwards", may I just remind you that Ovechkin once said that Markov was the toughest guy to play against... Yup Markov has always done a hell of a job on Ovie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Sorry, the lesser forwards. Meaning Hamrlik and mara would play against the other teams best. Yes but you save Markov for the offensive minutes. Not shutting down people. he was over used last year IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Markov doesn't have to match up against the best every night. He can still get Ovie if he's the only one that can handle him (we saw what Ovie could do to Hamrlik, ouch), but if Hamrlik-Mara can handle the Tomas Vaneks and Jeff Carters than it'll be a boost for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Gorges needs to get his confidence back, but he deserves some time to figure it out. He's earned that right with his play. Whoa, when did Habs fans (who are all apparently certified psycho-analysts) deem him to have confidence problems? He is one of our most consistently solid defensemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 It's all about perspective. Gorges had one of the better years last year compared to most of the other habs, which isn't much. He stands up for team mates when other bigger players wouldn't. He went into corners more then the bigger players. but some people just don't like certain players no matter what. He will be fine playing with Gil playing 16-18 minutes per night. I hate kovalev, he is lazy, a bad team mate (as evidence of being sent home for being a piece of sh##) he doesn't show up when needed, many other posters love the guy. Komi was one of my favorites a few years ago, after watching him last year, i don't like him anymore, not because he took the money and ran, because his on ice play was pathetic, and he was dominated by Lucic and stopped standing up for team mates. Other posters talk like the habs lost Bobby Orr or something. Ever notice Komi only fights players who aren't fighters? I have no respect for that. So i try to jusge the players by there on ice performance. Take Price, half the people think he is the bext goalie, the other half think he belongs in Hamilton, in reality he is a solid young goalie who played hurt and had a PATHETIC defense last year that gave up 40 plus shots many nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Whoa, when did Habs fans (who are all apparently certified psycho-analysts) deem him to have confidence problems? He is one of our most consistently solid defensemen. He struggled down the stretch (who didn't) and had an iffy camp. Some people have said he is playing his way out of the top 6, I defeinitely think he deserves a lot more opportunity than those guys do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Moen-Gomez-Gionta Is Martin a Carbo 2.0. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 That will last about 15 minutes. As soon as the other 3 lines can't generate any offense Cammi goes right back on the top line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Without BGL this is the lineup used today by JM Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Lapierre Moen-Metropolit-Pacioretty Latendresse-Chipchura-D'Agostini at least one (potential) top 6 forward in every line! (the fourth line could very well be a 2nd line come 2 or 3 years from now) if they all progress as they SHOULD (big emphasis on SHOULD) Go :hlogo: GO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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