jetsniper Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Ohhhh shit...too bad Colorado couldn't afford that. Stick Wolski at C between Zherdev and Svatos, watch out. You know what, I'm doing that tonight when I get NHL 07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 (edited) THIS IS RIDICULOUS. When the Rangers pursued Sakic with an RFA offer sheet, who heavily criticized the Rangers? Hint: Division rival GM. Edited September 14, 2006 by ATHLÉTIQUE.CANADIEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 THIS IS RIDICULOUS. When the Rangers pursued Sakic with an RFA offer sheet, who heavily criticized the Rangers? Hint: Division rival GM. I bet it was a GM from Pennsylvania too. Craig Patrick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 The Jackets need Zherdev more than Carter has everyone else stated. While MacLean is smart enough not to trade him, I'd still take my chances and offer him the 2.5 M$ per season to him first than Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 (edited) I bet it was a GM from Pennsylvania too. Craig Patrick! Nope, It was BOB CLARKE! He might have been in FLA at the time, I forget Edited September 14, 2006 by ATHLÉTIQUE.CANADIEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 If i look at the NHL.COM sheet, is says for a "Over $2.0 million to $3.0 million" offer stands : First and third-round choice klik BTW you think Leclaire will be ready for a whole season? Ouch, with that little compensation, MacLean pretty much would be forced to match the offer. No way he'd let Nik leave for a 1st and 3rd rounder. I think LeClaire is absolutely ready to be the #1 guy. By the end of last season, it was pretty clear he had surpassed Denis' level of play. After the Olympic break, he had an outstanding .925 SV%. And that was done with Adam Foote out of the lineup for a good deal of time, as well as Berard. With those two healthy and Suchy gone, I think there will be less pressure on the Jackets' goaltenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 (edited) Ouch, with that little compensation, MacLean pretty much would be forced to match the offer. No way he'd let Nik leave for a 1st and 3rd rounder. I think LeClaire is absolutely ready to be the #1 guy. By the end of last season, it was pretty clear he had surpassed Denis' level of play. After the Olympic break, he had an outstanding .925 SV%. And that was done with Adam Foote out of the lineup for a good deal of time, as well as Berard. With those two healthy and Suchy gone, I think there will be less pressure on the Jackets' goaltenders. Fanpuck33 I think you are right that this team will be better this year. Having Foote back at 100% makes a big difference. Carter is better than everyone thinks as it took him to get the twins in Vancouver to finally get out of their shell. Edited September 14, 2006 by InsaneAVSfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Carter is better than everyone thinks as it took him to get the twins in Vancouver to finally get out of their shell. I disagree. I think it was the emergence of the Sedins that got Carter to score 30+ goals for the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_Habs_Fan Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I disagree. I think it was the emergence of the Sedins that got Carter to score 30+ goals for the first time. But playing on the top 2 lines in CLB wont hurt his point total, with guys like Nash/Vyborny/Fedorov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 But playing on the top 2 lines in CLB wont hurt his point total, with guys like Nash/Vyborny/Fedorov Precisely, it's not like Carter was just another schmuck before he played for the Canucks. He was already a premiere forward in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Carter a premier forward? Are you joking? In 9 seasons, he's never had more than 60 points and has only topped 50 points 3 times. Heck, Mike Ribeiro's topped 50 points twice, one time topping 60. I don't think anyone is calling Ribs a premier forward in the league. Anson Carter is an average goal scorer, nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Carter a premier forward? Are you joking? In 9 seasons, he's never had more than 60 points and has only topped 50 points 3 times. Heck, Mike Ribeiro's topped 50 points twice, one time topping 60. I don't think anyone is calling Ribs a premier forward in the league. Anson Carter is an average goal scorer, nothing more. Fanpuck now that is just insulting comparing him to Ribs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Carter a premier forward? Are you joking? In 9 seasons, he's never had more than 60 points and has only topped 50 points 3 times. Heck, Mike Ribeiro's topped 50 points twice, one time topping 60. I don't think anyone is calling Ribs a premier forward in the league. Anson Carter is an average goal scorer, nothing more. And please, tell me when he's had this much talent around him. I'm guessing you never watched him as an Oiler, he was a leader there and had his best seasons there. Then he got jumbled around from hapless team to hapless team getting no support at all and now he's back on a team with a lot of offensive support. Ribs has always had more support around him with guys like Koivu, Ryder and Kovalev. Carter never had, he either was on teams with no talent or teams with no players because they were always injured. Comparing him to Ribeiro is asinine, theres more to his game then Riberios and obviously points won't show it. Stats are like a bikini, they only show you a little bit. I hate when people rely on stats for a sports argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Of course stats don't mean everything, but when it comes to Carter, he is a very average second liner. Same with Ribeiro. Carter obviously has more of a physical presence, but in terms of production, he's no better. Both Sedins had over 70 points. Carter only had 55. Ribeiro had similar point totals playing with guys who weren't producing nearly as well as the Sedins did. In terms of offensive production, which is the reason the Jackets signed Carter, he was an average forward. Premier forwards put up big points or play super defensive hockey. Carter is average at both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Yeah, ok. I personally think his defensive game is superb but I'm not in the mood for a debate so I'll just leave it alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_Habs_Fan Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Yeah, ok. I personally think his defensive game is superb but I'm not in the mood for a debate so I'll just leave it alone. Aah C'mon Jet, you can do better than that. You lazy boy But i agree a bit with you, but im not saying he 's premier. But i think he has in CLB the same amount of talent around him than he had in Vancouver, so he should be able to get the same amount of points. Or somewhere around it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Aah C'mon Jet, you can do better than that. You lazy boy But i agree a bit with you, but im not saying he 's premier. But i think he has in CLB the same amount of talent around him than he had in Vancouver, so he should be able to get the same amount of points. Or somewhere around it! That's just my point. He's a good player, not a premier player. People go see games to watch the premier players. People go to games to watch guys like Nash and Zherdev. People don't go to game to watch #77 unless its Ray Bourque or Paul Coffey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Aah C'mon Jet, you can do better than that. You lazy boy But i agree a bit with you, but im not saying he 's premier. But i think he has in CLB the same amount of talent around him than he had in Vancouver, so he should be able to get the same amount of points. Or somewhere around it! Yeah, I am just being lazy. Carter has talent in my eyes and thats all I really need so screw it. I'm busy with all the new stuff I just went out and bought. If Carter plays the way I expect him to, Fanpuck will see it soon enough anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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