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#1 dlbalr

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 08:46 PM

Montreal Free Agents:

Unrestricted (Class III):

 

Unrestricted (Class UFA):

 

Players will be removed from the list as they sign.

Relevant Links:
2013-14 Cap Calculations
HW Contract Page
Waiver Situation

- Anyone making $375,000 + the minimum salary ($550,000) will count in part against the cap upon a reduction to the minors.  For example, a player making $1.2 million would count as $275,000 on the cap (1.2 M - [375k + 550k]).

Known no-trade clauses:
- Rene Bourque (limited, 10 teams)

- Daniel Briere (full NMC)

- Alexei Emelin (full in 14-15/15-16, limited in 16-17/17-18)
- Brian Gionta (full)
- Josh Gorges (limited NTC)
- Andrei Markov (14 teams)
- Travis Moen (partial NTC in 2013-14)
- Tomas Plekanec (modified)

If you have any questions, either PM me or reply to this thread. (As this is a thread for everyone, if there's something you'd like covered, please let me know.) More information will be added throughout the season and as it becomes available. The thread will be cleaned out periodically to keep all relevant information within 1 page.


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Posted 12 December 2009 - 04:27 PM

50-Contract Situation for 2013-14:

Scorecard
Total committed contracts: 53
+ Restricted Free Agents*: 0
- Potential slide rule players: 5
= Revised total (max 50): 48

Legend: Black - under contract, Red - UFA, Blue - RFA, Purple - Needs to be signed for next season or rights lost. SR - Slide Rule, NQC - Non-Qualification Candidate, Crossed out name - player has signed overseas

 

* - excluding players already signed overseas

Forwards:

Sven Andrighetto

Michael Blunden

Michael Bournival
Rene Bourque

Tim Bozon (SR)

Daniel Briere

Sebastian Collberg (SR)

Robbie Czarnik
David Desharnais

Gabriel Dumont
Lars Eller

Stefan Fournier
Alex Galchenyuk
Brendan Gallagher
Brian Gionta
Patrick Holland

Charles Hudon (SR)

Louis Leblanc

Michael McCarron (SR)
Travis Moen
Joonas Nattinen

Jack Nevins
Max Pacioretty

George Parros
Tomas Plekanec
Brandon Prust

Martin St. Pierre

Nick Tarnasky

Christian Thomas

Dale Weise

Ryan White

Andreas Engqvist

 

Defence:
Nathan Beaulieu
Francis Bouillon
Darren Dietz

Davis Drewiske
Morgan Ellis
Alexei Emelin
Josh Gorges
Andrei Markov

Douglas Murray

Magnus Nygren
Greg Pateryn

P.K. Subban
Jarred Tinordi

Mike Weaver

 

Goalies:
Peter Budaj

Mike Condon
Peter Delmas

Devan Dubnyk

Zach Fucale (SR)

Robert Mayer

Carey Price

Dustin Tokarski


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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:09 PM

What is UFA-VI?

Group 6 free agency is for players who are 25 or older, have played at least 3 pro seasons, aren't on their entry-level deal anymore, and have played less than 80 NHL games (28 GP) for goalies. Andre Benoit and Shawn Belle both qualified for this last season, Cedrick Desjardins (dealt by the Habs before the preseason) will as well.
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Posted 27 September 2011 - 03:52 PM

http://www.broadstre...sion-salary-cap

Finally, a real explaination on suspended players and the salary cap.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:33 PM

I found this article but I really don't know where to post it. Kinda cool.

http://business.fina...ily-tax-havens/
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:56 PM

 

All must see a ton of 2012 draft picks being signed lately.
Why are they being signed now, when i assume most dont need to before June 1st, 2014.

Are there advantages to say, signing Galchenyuk today, vs next March when finishing up junior year?
Habs normally wait to sign draft picks, is that a club policy or something?

 

Generally speaking, this has become more commonplace in recent years. There's a cap advantage (albeit a minor one) to signing a prospect and then having them play in junior, referred to as a contract slide as I'm sure you've seen me mention before. Basically, the value of the signing bonus comes off the players' cap for each year they're signed, under 20, and not in the NHL.

Case in point is Brendan Gallagher. He had a cap hit of $900,000 with a max signing bonus ($90,000). Although he signed during the year, it was before the March 1st cutoff (I think that's the date) so he qualified for a slide. As a result, his cap hit is now $870,000 (the difference being the $90,000 bonus divided by the 3 years on the contract); his 'salary' (including bonuses) is 900/900/810.

Also, and this is speculation on my end, agents may be pushing the players to sign especially with talks of extended and only partially guaranteed ELC's (the 5 year proposal only has 2 guaranteed years plus 3 options).


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:10 AM

This is from Habsworld website.

Care to explain the difference between "Limited, partial and modified" Brian ? (or anyone else)


Basically that's the terminology I was given when I got the info. Modified is the popular term now which suggests that it changes throughout the deal whereas limited/partial implies that that it's a fixed restriction that isn't a full one (ie: 5 teams the player can block a move to for the duration of the contract).
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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:31 AM

Remember, guys, that this is a salary cap/CBA thread.  Try to make sure that your posts here at least reference something to do with the cap or CBA.  Otherwise, they will be deleted (I clean this thread often to try to keep it to relevant questions/comments and notes).


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 12:49 PM

Does that mean that some of their bonuses will be counted against next year's cap?  I'm not sure how this stuff works.  Is it the same deal with Iginla in Boston?

 

Any bonuses that they earn are supposed to be counted against the current year cap.  The bonus cushion allows them to carry over that charge into next year (to a max of 7.5% of the cap which the Habs aren't near) if they don't have enough space to absorb it on the current year.  I can't say whether some of the bonuses will go on next year's yet as we don't yet know how much space the Habs will have come April and which bonuses will actually be hit.  This constant roster shuffling is allowing them to bank space to be used either for a later acquisition/recall or to offset against the bonuses (although it's a really, really tiny amount right now).  Hopefully that makes some sense.


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 02:58 PM

Brian I am confused. I thought ltir gave you the space to replace the guy you lost, so how is it adversely affecting our cap space?

 

You are correct in that it opens up a spot for a replacement by allowing the team to exceed the cap by the amount of the injured player(s).  However, while the team is in LTIR, the cap space that they have saved so far is reduced at the same time (straight-line amortization); the difference is what the LTIR credit is.  Here's the 2011-12 capsheet where this happened, it may be easier looking at a visual example (look at the LTIR tab if it doesn't take you there).

 

Any team that finishes the season while using LTIR has $0 in cap space; if you look at Capgeek, you'll note that any team currently in LTIR (all 10 of them) has a total of $0 in projected space.  You cannot be under the cap and be in LTIR at the same time.

 

The reason I say it's ideal to avoid LTIR for as long as possible is simply to preserve as much banked cap space as possible.  The Habs will need a lot of it at the end of the year to cover the bonuses while it'd also be nice to have some for any trades/recalls/other pickups.  Inevitably, it may happen if someone else goes down; if so, the goal then will be to get back out of it as soon as possible.


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 05:12 PM

I don't remember if you actually wrote one, but an article on the main Website about the Salary Cap / CBA  would be GOLD !

 

I did a CBA one shortly after the lockout ended. http://www.habsworld...cle.php?id=2968

 

Also, Beaulieu has now been recalled.  Unless something happens in the coming hours (the recall won't take effect until tomorrow), the Habs will be in LTIR.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:06 PM

Just one question about LTIR: if it turns out Briere is gone long term (let's say done until spring for whatever reason), would the Habs then put him on LTIR?  I always thought that LTIR freed up the capspace of the injured player, but you said if you use it then you have $0 in capspace (but maybe that's just for the very end of the year).

 

They could (it'd depend on who else is on at that time and how much they plan to go over the cap - if it's just to call up Dumont or something like that, they may not need to).  In its most simplistic terms, LTIR does free up the cap space of the injured player.  In reality, it only frees up the cap space of the injured player less any cap savings to that point (that's why the 'banked total' gets amortized).  Worth noting is that the injured player - in this case, Briere - will still count in full against the cap, it's just that the Habs would be allowed to spend over the cap during his absence.

 

A team that ends the year on LTIR will have $0 in cap space.  A team that uses it but doesn't finish with it (the player comes back before the end of the year), cap space can start accruing again (since the team has to be under the cap before activating a player off LTIR).

 

For those who want to subject themselves to reading about LTIR, here's a place to start: http://www.capgeek.c...serve-LTIR-work


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:07 PM

Here's a question Brian, Markov is 34 now but on dec 20 he will be 35, so if we sign him or extend him prior to Dec 20 how does the over 35 rule apply?

 

It applies no matter what with Markov.  The calculation is on June 30th of the season that the contract begins.  In Markov's case, that will be June 30, 2014.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:56 PM

One thing I've been trying to figure out is the rules pertaining to AHL demotions prior to the Olympic break.  A way to try to save some cap space (and get Bournival some playing time) would be to send him down during the break.  From what I've gathered, that is not going to be possible...sort of.  Here's a summary of the demotion rules that will soon come into play:

 

- Anyone that needs waivers would still need waivers to go down during the break (let's get the easy one out of the way)

 

- Waiver exempt players (Bournival and Gallagher) who have been on an NHL roster for 87 days or more prior to January 24th are entitled to an Olympic break if they are assigned any time after the 24th (5 PM EST) through to February 9th at 5 PM (one day after the Habs' final game).  In other words, they are not eligible to play.  However, they would collect their AHL pay instead of their NHL pay during this time.  If they aren't assigned by the 9th at 5, they cannot be sent down for the duration of the break.

 

- If a waiver exempt player (let's just use Bournival since this wouldn't happen with Gallagher) with 87 NHL days gets sent down prior to the 24th at 5 PM EST, he is eligible to play in Hamilton...unless (yay, exceptions to the rule...) Bournival is to play 16 of the Habs' final 20 games before the break.  We're 8 games into that stretch, he has played 7 of those.

 

- If Bournival gets sent down after 5 PM on the 24th and before the Habs' last game before the break , he is eligible to play for Hamilton in the time period between the date of demotion and the beginning of the break.

 

- If anyone with less than 87 NHL days gets recalled before Jan. 24th (Beaulieu), they can be sent down and be eligible to play during the Games as long as they're demoted before February 9th at 5 PM EST. 

 

Long story short...

 

Bournival can be assigned to Hamilton during the Olympic break to save cap space up until February 9th at 5 PM EST.  However, he will not be eligible to play for the Bulldogs during the Olympics unless sent before January 24th.  The financial savings on the cap if they send him down for the break would be a bit over $57,000.

 

Original source: http://www.syracuse....on_rules_d.html


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:01 AM

I see Habs are listed as 17th on Capgeek team cap space ranking, do they really have a lot of cap room to add much?

 

Or is ranking simply because many teams are very near this years lowered cap?

 

Would Habs be able to absorb a soon to be UFA player like Paul Stastny ($6.6m) on March 5 or Vanek ($5.75m), without a big need to ship out a big contract (Markov-Gionta) first?

 

And would Isles/Aves need some salary to remain above cap floor if parted with big UFA?


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:01 PM

According to Capgeek we have $7.1M AAV cap space. 


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:07 PM

According to Capgeek we have $7.1M AAV cap space. 

Ya, i see the #, but sometimes dlbalr can clarify what that # acually means, e.g. fitting a high salary rental under cap for last 5-6 weeks of season.

 

Or do u know how much room have (how big a player) which Habs can "realistically" add for a pending UFA?


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:23 PM

I see Habs are listed as 17th on Capgeek team cap space ranking, do they really have a lot of cap room to add much?

 

Lots of teams are in LTIR right now so it doesn't take much to be in the top half in terms of cap space.

 

According to Capgeek we have $7.1M AAV cap space. 

 

On deadline day, yes, but...

 

Ya, i see the #, but sometimes dlbalr can clarify what that # acually means, e.g. fitting a high salary rental under cap for last 5-6 weeks of season.

 

Or do u know how much room have (how big a player) which Habs can "realistically" add for a pending UFA?

 

Realistically, the number is much lower than is being floated.  I don't do the deadline day projection on mine but I do calculate the other two numbers you see on their main page.  The $7.1 M on CapGeek is also artificially inflated with Drewiske's cap hit since he's on LTIR.  Since he'll be back by then, you can subtract the 600 grand and change off of that number. 

 

I don't like dealing in the projected space available as of a certain date, I prefer to keep it simple and look at the projected final numbers.  On Capgeek, that's $1.3 mil (mine's only a couple of grand higher).  If the roster stays as is from here to the end of the year, they'll finish the season ~$1.3 M under the cap before bonuses.  It's a given that the Habs will be paying several hundred thousand in bonuses so that needs to be subtracted.  The organization will have a better sense of how much specifically they will cost and then they'd know how much exactly they'd have left.

 

Since most like using the AAV numbers as of a certain date, I'll make an example that incorporates that.  Let's say the roster stays the same until deadline day with the exception of Drewiske coming off LTIR.  That brings the deadline AAV to around $6.5 mil as noted earlier.  Let's also assume that the team will have a bonus bill of $600,000 (Galchenyuk may hit a couple of his 'A' bonuses while Gallagher, Bournival, even guys like Beaulieu/Tinordi will get some for production and/or games played).  That $600k is about 46% of the projected space at the end of the year (the $1.3 M) so take 46% off of the $6.5 million.

 

That yields about $3.5 million in a players' AAV that can be added to the roster on trade deadline day as long as no other trades, recalls, or demotions are made.  That's a far cry from the original $7.1 M which is why you'll always hear me say this season that the projected cap space you see is misleading.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:31 PM

That yields about $3.5 million in a players' AAV that can be added to the roster on trade deadline day as long as no other trades, recalls, or demotions are made.  That's a far cry from the original $7.1 M which is why you'll always hear me say this season that the projected cap space you see is misleading.

 

Now, is that projection also with a team of eight healthy defencemen? You counted Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and Tinordi's bonuses. That would mean them staying up (and in Galchenyuk's case being healthy) with nobody going down. You also have Ryan White returning eventually but nobody moves?

 

It's a bit of a spacey number I'd say. Sure, $3.5M is a decent worst case scenario projection there's too many bodies to take into account.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:42 PM

Now, is that projection also with a team of eight healthy defencemen? You counted Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and Tinordi's bonuses. That would mean them staying up (and in Galchenyuk's case being healthy) with nobody going down. You also have Ryan White returning eventually but nobody moves?

 

That's a team that would actually be carrying 9 since they're at 8 now without Drewiske.  Games played bonuses can go as low as 5 GP meaning that Tinordi, Beaulieu, and even Leblanc could get something, regardless of whether or not they're actually on the roster at the end of the year.  If you get into specifics, Beaulieu gets sent down ____, someone else gets recalled ____, etc, it starts to get hard to keep the example simple and that was the goal, hence no roster changes.  Realistically, Beaulieu will go down soon (or someone gets dealt) but there's also a decent chance someone else gets recalled at some point (someone else will get hurt) so the difference may not be huge.

 

The $3.5 mil is a round number and I'm sure will change as there probably will be roster moves between now and early March but that's a closer figure than what people will see and cite when they check CapGeek or my capsheet.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:39 PM

 

Lots of teams are in LTIR right now so it doesn't take much to be in the top half in terms of cap space.

 

 

On deadline day, yes, but...

 

 

Realistically, the number is much lower than is being floated.  I don't do the deadline day projection on mine but I do calculate the other two numbers you see on their main page.  The $7.1 M on CapGeek is also artificially inflated with Drewiske's cap hit since he's on LTIR.  Since he'll be back by then, you can subtract the 600 grand and change off of that number. 

 

I don't like dealing in the projected space available as of a certain date, I prefer to keep it simple and look at the projected final numbers.  On Capgeek, that's $1.3 mil (mine's only a couple of grand higher).  If the roster stays as is from here to the end of the year, they'll finish the season ~$1.3 M under the cap before bonuses.  It's a given that the Habs will be paying several hundred thousand in bonuses so that needs to be subtracted.  The organization will have a better sense of how much specifically they will cost and then they'd know how much exactly they'd have left.

 

Since most like using the AAV numbers as of a certain date, I'll make an example that incorporates that.  Let's say the roster stays the same until deadline day with the exception of Drewiske coming off LTIR.  That brings the deadline AAV to around $6.5 mil as noted earlier.  Let's also assume that the team will have a bonus bill of $600,000 (Galchenyuk may hit a couple of his 'A' bonuses while Gallagher, Bournival, even guys like Beaulieu/Tinordi will get some for production and/or games played).  That $600k is about 46% of the projected space at the end of the year (the $1.3 M) so take 46% off of the $6.5 million.

 

That yields about $3.5 million in a players' AAV that can be added to the roster on trade deadline day as long as no other trades, recalls, or demotions are made.  That's a far cry from the original $7.1 M which is why you'll always hear me say this season that the projected cap space you see is misleading.

That is what I was looking for and didn't think capgeek # was the important one, or didn't factor all stuff in.

thanks again sir.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 01:38 PM

Tomorrow is the first day that teams can sign prospects to 'future contracts,' ones that don't kick in until 2014-15.  We may see a small flurry of prospect signings around the league in the next handful of days.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:03 PM

In tonight's HW Recap, I'll be tweaking the scenario above and providing an updated estimate of the actual cap space that the Habs will have going into the deadline.  It's a bit higher now than it was in late January.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:03 AM

What happens after the deadline in terms of the call ups on the expanded roster? How much does the expanded roster effect the cap, or does it?
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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:53 PM

What happens after the deadline in terms of the call ups on the expanded roster? How much does the expanded roster effect the cap, or does it?

 

After the deadline, there is no limit to a roster size, teams don't have to send players down when activating someone from IR.  Instead of there being 23 on the active roster, there will probably be a couple more.  That said, there is a limit of four non-emergency recalls that a team can use between the trade deadline and the completion of their farm teams' season.  (So in Hamilton's case, the end of the regular season as I think playoffs are approaching pipe dream status despite them winning lately.) 

 

As for the cap effects, the Habs have to stay under the cap at all times, that doesn't change from now.  Post-deadline callups do count against the cap though (unless it's a postseason recall).


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