dlbalr Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 5 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: @dlbalr , if the Habs trade a big contract, Like Petry's or Galagher's and retain 50%. Can Weber's LTIR salary relief help keep the Habs under the cap if they go over? Are retained salaries accounted for like regular salaries? To answer the last part first, yes, they count like regular salary. Weber's LTIR could be used to cover the overage but if he wasn't on the roster, they wouldn't be over in your scenario. Weber's contract isn't really an asset that they can get creative with. We know two things - they don't want to retain on multi-year deals and they badly want out of LTIR. Your idea goes against both of those so I don't think it's a viable option for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: To answer the last part first, yes, they count like regular salary. Weber's LTIR could be used to cover the overage but if he wasn't on the roster, they wouldn't be over in your scenario. Weber's contract isn't really an asset that they can get creative with. We know two things - they don't want to retain on multi-year deals and they badly want out of LTIR. Your idea goes against both of those so I don't think it's a viable option for them. thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 https://montrealhockeynow.com/2022/06/15/what-a-cole-caufield-extension-could-look-like-for-montreal-canadiens/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 https://montrealhockeynow.com/2022/06/22/montreal-canadiens-should-approach-the-buyout-period-with-caution/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 17.4% of cap spending on goalies, most in league and 4 more years left on Price's deal. Sure hope his knee is OK (can withstand good # of starts) and he can play a regular role this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, DON said: 17.4% of cap spending on goalies, most in league and 4 more years left on Price's deal. Sure hope his knee is OK (can withstand good # of starts) and he can play a regular role this year. OR ... that he was actually serious about not wanting to be a burden. But I know that was undoubtedly meant in the very narrow context of not wanting to take up a 23-man roster spot if he can't play ... I doubt he will have any problem with being (a) the 17/18 Price, or even the 21/22 Carey, as long as he is physically able to play, or (b) a LTIR albatross on the cap (as he is fully entitled to do under his contract) if he can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: OR ... that he was actually serious about not wanting to be a burden. Yes, I just hope there is no "in-between" with Price this year, either; a) he is completely healthy and takes a regular role or b) he retires because he doesn't want to be a burden The something "in-between" makes it awfully difficult from a planning and cap perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 A question for the more expert in capology: CapFriendly shows the Habs as about $260K under "their" maximum AAVs (cap ceiling of $81/5M plus Price being on LTIR) ... the actual $$$ and names may change slightly from what CF currently shows depending on how the lower-AAV end of roster ends up being finalized. I believe I've read/heard that it is advantageous for them, in terms of cap management as the season progresses, to be as close as possible to that maximum when the season starts? If yes, should we expect any trades to be relatively dollar for dollar until the season starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, GHT120 said: A question for the more expert in capology: CapFriendly shows the Habs as about $260K under "their" maximum AAVs (cap ceiling of $81/5M plus Price being on LTIR) ... the actual $$$ and names may change slightly from what CF currently shows depending on how the lower-AAV end of roster ends up being finalized. I believe I've read/heard that it is advantageous for them, in terms of cap management as the season progresses, to be as close as possible to that maximum when the season starts? If yes, should we expect any trades to be relatively dollar for dollar until the season starts? I am NO capologist, there are many on this board who are much more knowledgeable than myself but this explains some of the benefits of clearing more cap space before the start of the year although I am still trying to fully grasp it. https://montrealhockeynow.com/2022/09/18/montreal-canadiens-source-hughes-working-phones-market-to-shake-loose-soon/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I am NO capologist, there are many on this board who are much more knowledgeable than myself but this explains some of the benefits of clearing more cap space before the start of the year although I am still trying to fully grasp it. https://montrealhockeynow.com/2022/09/18/montreal-canadiens-source-hughes-working-phones-market-to-shake-loose-soon/ Thanks ... it discusses HuGo wanting to clear a couple of million to be able to remove Price from the offseason LTIR ... but the piece doesn't explain why getting out of offseason LTIR status would have an advantage for the regular season ... or the fundamental question of whether the Habs want to be as close as possible to $93M in total AAVs (i.e., $82.5 ceiling plus Price's $10.5 on LTIR) to start the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 48 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Thanks ... it discusses HuGo wanting to clear a couple of million to be able to remove Price from the offseason LTIR ... but the piece doesn't explain why getting out of offseason LTIR status would have an advantage for the regular season ... or the fundamental question of whether the Habs want to be as close as possible to $93M in total AAVs (i.e., $82.5 ceiling plus Price's $10.5 on LTIR) to start the season. Yes, you want to be as close to the $82.5M cap as possible when placing the first player on LTIR as that will set the ACSL (accruable cap space limit) -- during the season. However, if you are putting a player on LTIR during the training camp, it's a different calculation. Now ACSL is calculated as actual cap hit less the salary of the player being placed on LTIR. So, if it's Byron being placed on LTIR first, you'd ideally want to be as close to (but below) $85.9M ($82.5M cap plus $3.4M Byron) as possible. I have no idea why the traing camp calculation is completely different, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Is "buying out" in the off-season an option for the Gallagher or Armia's contracts? Or just not a smart route to take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, DON said: Is "buying out" in the off-season an option for the Gallagher or Armia's contracts? Or just not a smart route to take? You save 1/3 of the salary but the cap hits stretch well into the years where the Habs should become contenders (and will need cap space). Armia has only two seasons beyond this one, I can't see how stretching that to four would be better. Buyout is really a last resort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 I don't think they'll buy Armia out. Gallagher is a possibility at some point in the contract and notably, there's no signing bonus money in there which helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: I don't think they'll buy Armia out. Gallagher is a possibility at some point in the contract and notably, there's no signing bonus money in there which helps. My fingers and toes crossed hope is that Bergevin gets a GM job and wants another opportunity to cry at the press conference announcing Gallagher as a ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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