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I've lived and died with this team since we came to Canada in 1975. First 5 years were easy - 4 cups. My two all time favourite players - Dryden, Lafleur and the other stars - Robinson, shutt, savard, gainey, lapointe, cournvayeur made it easy. Even when most Habs and leafs fans I know switched to the flames or oilers when they came into the league, I stuck with my Habs. When Andy moog stoned them in the playoffs and some Habs fans I know switched alliances I stuck with the Habs. When Savard screwed Lafleur - forcing him to retire, when he should have at least traded him, I stuck with my Habs. Despite all the crap I put up with all the flames and oiler fans I was growing up with when the Habs were getting knocked out of the playoffs by the damn nordiques, stars and Islanders, I stuck with my Habs - and got short lived revenge when the Habs beat the flames in 86'. In the late 80's, my favourite Habs were Roy, Lemieux and chelios. Even after the Habs lost the cup, in part because burns refused to play Lemieux, I stuck with the Habs, even as Lemieux was traded. Even when Savard idiotically dumped Robinson, Green and Ludwig at the same time, I stuck with the Habs - the petty letting Robinson walk after not giving him the captaincy stung. When chelios was traded to make the team more French for a washed up savard, I stuck with my Habs. When carbonneau was traded for such a stupid reason, i still stuck with the Habs. When turgeon was made captain, just because he was French, despite not being the righ guy for the job, I was pissed, but took it as a management decision - even though it felt wrong seeing him as the one carrying the torch when the forum closed. Even when I heard Roy had been traded to Avs. My first reaction was anger, 2nd to find out who we got - forsburg, Sakic??? When I got the answer, I was pissed , but i stuck with the Habs. It was hard to watch hockey for the 5 years following the Roy trade, so I stopped watching hockey, I watched the odd Habs game - with the exception of koivu there was nothing to watch. Each year there was stupid draft choices and even worse trades. I couldn't watch the team, but followed my Habs and didn't start watching regularly until Koivu made it hard to not to care and that prick trembley was fired. Even then, I didn't start watching regularly until the koivu return from cancer and Theodore mvp run. There were a lot of bad decisions since that time. MT (the bafoon v1) costing the team a playoff victory, the ak46 draft pick, the Gomez trade, the inexplicable rehiring of that fat bafoon MT (for those of you here, if you recall, I said he would cost us subban, and the response from most was, he would be gone long and subban would retire as a Hab - I wish I couldn't say I told you so!!!!). but none stung like the trading of Subban. Subban was the first Hab that despite not being French, was the heir to the flying Frenchmen of the 70's. He played hockey the way it should be played. Screw the friggin dump and chase. He played to win, but he tried to win by attacking, rather than trying to avoid losing. He was the first player the Habs had since Lafleur that could raise you for your seat when he had the puck - before he actually did something to raise you from your seat. He made mistakes, he gave away the puck, but he was still a friggin plus player. When the Habs lost to Philly in the semis during Subban's rookie year, he was the only player who was playing to win. The rest of the team had already realized they weren't good enough and playing like they had already lost. Subban and price were the only reason we beat the Bruins a few years ago. Did subban say stupid things - yes. Part of it is maturity. He should never said "it's not my job to score goals." As a leader you have to know when to keep your mouth shut in front of the media - that's something subban will eventually learn - he's only 26. But in the year from hell that was last year, he was the only still trying to make something happen. MT had already coached the rest of the team to play not to lose, which is the way losers play. Maxpac played like crap - still got his. 30 goals, but he was crap on most nights. Markov was a giveaway machine - in part because that bafoon MT played him like he was still 5 years old. Yet the bafoon was never critical of them. It didn't matter that goals were scored because the captain quit on back checks. The bafoon was the reason the team missed the playoffs in a year that even without price should have made it. Gallagher played hard every night, but he got hurt. Galchenyuk, played great, but didn't have the trust of his coach and wasnt played as much as he should have, until injuries forced his bafoon coach to play him. MT should have been fired, but MB sticks with his bum buddies. How lefebve, Mt and daigneult still have jobs is beyond me. How Molson didn't fire his entire mgmt staff is beyond me. MB lost his franchise goalie and he traded for friggin ben scrivens. He should have gotten a guy like Reimer to at least send the message to his players that we aren't calling it a year because price w not down. Florida is paying about a million less than to Luogo than what we are paying price, but they just signed Reimer to a $3.5m, in case something happens to Luogo. MB, gave his team a reason to quit. He than proceeded to trade one of the few players who didn't quit last year. His captain played like he quit, but was never called out by MB or the Bafoon. Will I switch and cheer for another team?? Probably not. I became a Hab fan when i was introduced to hockey in 1975 and will probably will die a Habs fan. However, my loyalty has its limits. In all good concience I cannot and will not hope this team succeeds and wins the cup though until the bafoon is fired. I don't see that as betraying my allegiance to the Habs, because I really doubt that a bafoon coached team can win the cup, just as I would not have wanted a turd (trembley), to ever succeed, I can not hope any success for the bafoon. Next year I'm hoping subban wins the cup, the bafoon gets fired and thereafter the Habs can continue the quest for 25.

If the room was against PK because they were jealous of the attention he gets in the city and media, or his style, etc, then it doesn't bode well for the leadership in the room and management. Good leadership would have told the whiners to stuff it. PK has done great things in the city and takes a lot of heat and pressure off the rest of them. Good leaders would have stood behind him. If Pacs is slamming PK for making a big charity splash, then I don't have much respect for him. He needs to grow up.

Except all the metrics numbers proving Subban is better...

Sorry Ethan, wasn't meant directly at you, I agree with you that I am wishing people would just get over it too, and stop with the assumption that Subban is far superior to Weber. It's simply not true. With all the whining about it, some STFU would be nice, the deal is done. Last season I remember watching Habs vs Predators, and watching the PP for both team, I recall wishing Subban was as smart as Weber, Subban's point shots and movement of the puck at the blue wasn't nearly as effective as Weber, and Weber made him look bush league to be honest. We had Subban signed for 6 more years, unmovable player/contract unless he wanted moved, Weber will still be good for 6 years, really good, and if he starts to fade, he IS a trade-able player/contract. I can't wait until October to tell you the truth...

Semin might have been ok, with a "better" coach... And maybe junior B class speed too would have helped, but HE didn't have that

My problem with the trade is, was and will remain that 1. The Habs need forwards and we didn't get one in the Subban trade when we should have gotten a little extra to hedge Webbers inevitable decline Nevertheless, been unable to overcome my addiction I am and will remain a fan and barring a Cup win will eventually add Bergevin to the list of incompentent Habs GM' s who have made massive errors which were evident for all to see. How I long for the days of Sam Pollock-or even the early days of Serge Savard- when the Habs actually won trades. Hell at this point I wish Molsin had hired Pierre McGuire

Also, way to welcome ur newest player! Bergevin is continuing to disappoint me. Could we trade him for Bowman or Sherro or even Doiron?

I have no tears for Molson. It looks good on him.

Simple, to make my life easier.

Personally I thought Semin have been salvaged with a good coach. But we don't have one.

Great point. Max Pacioretty's whiny disposition and sulky floater play during our struggles made me want to puke...he is in no way a leader, and I question his heart. If he were not on such a discount contract, I'd want him traded; I certainly don't want to see an offer made to him when he becomes UFA. I'll never be a fan of that guy going forward.

Well, I wouldn't put it so strongly; I like Max as a player, myself. Like all goal scorers, he is fairly useless when he's slumping, but that's standard. That said, PK Subban turns out to have been management's scapegoat for the disaster of last season. The ludicrousness of that should be evident to any rational observer.