JLP Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Skate up and get in his face, say something like "hey, mofo!" then, left hand grabs the sweater just above the team crest, grabs it tightly and holds on tight, then right hand pounds in a few tight hooks and crosses. Hockey fighting is not rocket science .. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Right now anyway. O'Byrne isn't a career minor leaguer though. He could bring alot to this team and it doesn't include being the enforcer for the team. I don't think we need one at all. Komisarek, Kostopoulos and O'Byrne (if they can ever dump Francis "mini-me" Bouillion) can all do the job without dropping the gloves; they just have to play tough and physical on every shift. Players know who the tough guys are and they don't push it....we just retired the number of the all time best at it. works for me... and i agree that he's gonna be a good player (o'byrne, that is), I just doubt he'll ever be as valuable to us as komi is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Very true - Komisarek has really grown into a fantastic defensive player - one of the league leaders in blocked shots I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I don't want Komi fighting. If he fights some 2 minute a game goon on the other team, and they're both off for 5 or for the rest of the game, we've just lost one of our top 3. I agree that Komi should not be fighting every game or even once a week, but i have no problems if Komi were to drop the gloves 4 or 5 times a year. And when O'byrne makes it to Montreal, he could also drop the gloves 8 or 9 times a year. Then you could have Kostopoulos droping them 15 - 20 times a year and you'd have a decent "fighting squad". At the same time, you might as well give Guillaume a few pointers on how to defend himself properly and he could drop them 3-4 times a year and we'd have a respectable team. Very true - Komisarek has really grown into a fantastic defensive player - one of the league leaders in blocked shots I believe. not to mention one of the league leaders in bodychecks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I agree that Komi should not be fighting every game or even once a week, but i have no problems if Komi were to drop the gloves 4 or 5 times a year. And when O'byrne makes it to Montreal, he could also drop the gloves 8 or 9 times a year. Then you could have Kostopoulos droping them 15 - 20 times a year and you'd have a decent "fighting squad". At the same time, you might as well give Guillaume a few pointers on how to defend himself properly and he could drop them 3-4 times a year and we'd have a respectable team. not to mention one of the league leaders in bodychecks! Tenderness can fight all he wants.....after we trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Tenderness can fight all he wants.....after we trade him. wow, so if we had a "least fav habs" section, would lats be yours?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 The question is do we need an enforcer, O'byrne is NOT an enforcer and he is developping in a hard hitting, better positionning defense. He still has to work a bit on his stick handling. Bring him up to fight or defend teammates would screw his head up. One thing at a time, if he get's the call up it will not to be a goon but to put some weight on a small defense. That would be very good indeed. Bouillon played good lately, Pens are in trouble. i see an opening there for both teams. We get big Georges Laraque for Bouillon, Therrien always liked Bouillo since he was in juniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 The question is do we need an enforcer, O'byrne is NOT an enforcer and he is developping in a hard hitting, better positionning defense. He still has to work a bit on his stick handling. Bring him up to fight or defend teammates would screw his head up. One thing at a time, if he get's the call up it will not to be a goon but to put some weight on a small defense. That would be very good indeed. Bouillon played good lately, Pens are in trouble. i see an opening there for both teams. We get big Georges Laraque for Bouillon, Therrien always liked Bouillo since he was in juniors. laraque is crosby's police man. They're not gonna trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peihabs Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 :hlogo: The best tough guy available that can also play a little is Francis Lessard, he used to be a D-man but has been moved to wing. The Bulldogs just played Hartford and the guy was first star of the game. Send Milroy & J. Gleed to New York for Lessard & P. Parenteau. Lessard stays with the Habs & Parenteau replaces Milroy in Hamilton. Milroy may even join the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I remember this guy, he was JP Dumont enforcer/protector with Val d'Or.LHJMQ. Sure he can fight but isn't he kind of another Sylvain Blouin ?? A not mobile D that went up to front. Laraque is not playing in Pittsburg, though he is often hurt he didn't play half the games and more so often healthy scratch. When one of our key guy will get hurt after a heavy body check or elbow in the face Carbo will cry baby but he and Bob will have only themselves to blame. There is a vacant spot in the team, come on Bob do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I would rather have a tough team then a bunch of pansies and an enforcer to protect them. The team has to stand up for themselves if they want to get some respect. Komi, Lats, Begin, Hammer, etc can all stand up for themselves. Remember last year when Kovalev took care of Tucker? He didn't need an enforcer and the message was delivered load and clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I would rather have a tough team then a bunch of pansies and an enforcer to protect them. The team has to stand up for themselves if they want to get some respect. Komi, Lats, Begin, Hammer, etc can all stand up for themselves. Remember last year when Kovalev took care of Tucker? He didn't need an enforcer and the message was delivered load and clear. It was two years ago and yeah I loved that I think we all did. Kovalev has always taken care of himself though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 It was two years ago and yeah I loved that I think we all did. Kovalev has always taken care of himself though. kovy's a big boy, he can handle it. if we are going to have an enforcer, he has to be able to play too. i'd rather have a neil than a McGrattan. we also could use a physical defenseman on the bottom pairing. bouillon doesn't do it for me this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 kovy's a big boy, he can handle it. if we are going to have an enforcer, he has to be able to play too. i'd rather have a neil than a McGrattan. we also could use a physical defenseman on the bottom pairing. bouillon doesn't do it for me this year. Totally agree... an enforcer just to "enforce" who can't play, no thanks. If he can fight and play, fine, but in case ppl haven't noticed, there's very few of them, and getting them's not that easy. I think we have more pressing needs... Boone has a lot to say about the enforcer issue on habsinsideout.com... He thinks Carbo's more "evolved" (yeah, he actually used the word evolved) than all the coaches who keep sending their goons out when we've locked up the game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Goons are a function of the '70s and the rapid dilution of talent that was seen then through not just NHL expansion, but the popularity of minor leagues, as well as the creation of the WHA, which was very comparable to the NHL in talent level. So many new jobs allowed pure goons onto teams at the game's highest levels. There are less goons now then there were 10 years ago, and there were less goons 10 years ago than 20 years ago. The game is recovering it's talent level. The main reason teams still employ goons is for psychological purposes more than practical results. They make players think they're better protected. They really aren't. It's a placebo, or a good luck charm. Players are more at risk because of these guys lumbering around rinks. A NHL player should be able to compete and think the game at a NHL level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan25 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 This team needs a fighter. Someone who will stick up for their teammates like Souray used to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan25 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Has Gainey taken a look around the league. It is ludicrous. This team is pushed around and has no fire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEEP26 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 ryan clowe . i wont asked for anything else for xmas bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Imagine a 4th line of Tom K-Lapierre-Georges Laraque. Who wouldn't pay to see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Imagine a 4th line of Tom K-Lapierre-Georges Laraque. Who wouldn't pay to see that? Laraque snubed montreal a few years ago saying that he'd rather retire than play here. if he ever plays for montreal, he'll have ALOT to prove me he really wants to play here. under 1M a year, I'd take a chance. however, an enforcer wont change much since the team is being outmuscled every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan25 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Laraque snubed montreal a few years ago saying that he'd rather retire than play here. if he ever plays for montreal, he'll have ALOT to prove me he really wants to play here. under 1M a year, I'd take a chance. however, an enforcer wont change much since the team is being outmuscled every game. Exactly my point!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenadian Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 :puke: An enforcer will not help this team and where we are at this point...............We need help with our overall game plan and we need guys skating hard PERIOD. [for about the 5th time!] We don't need an enforcer.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan25 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 :puke: An enforcer will not help this team and where we are at this point...............We need help with our overall game plan and we need guys skating hard PERIOD. [for about the 5th time!] We don't need an enforcer.................. There is not a team in the league without some tough guys! Except the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenadian Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 You think an enforcer will help the Habs? How? Seriously explain it to me (and probably a few others would like to know too) how picking up a meathead will score us more goals and give up fewer goals. And make these guys play harder, cause I don't understand your thinking...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan25 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 You think an enforcer will help the Habs? How? Seriously explain it to me (and probably a few others would like to know too) how picking up a meathead will score us more goals and give up fewer goals. And make these guys play harder, cause I don't understand your thinking...... They are undersized and lack passion. Do you think all the other GM's and coaches are wrong? A lot of times a tough player can make players throw 6 inches and instil a team ethic. Even with the new rules this league has not changed that much. This team is pushed around starting with number 11 which frankly I am tired of seeing. The grit of Murray, Rivet and Souray has not been replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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