KoZed Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/20...e-va-sortir.php Says he'll wait after the season to clear things up. When asked if there was rotten apples in the lockerroom, he said it's up to Bob and the owners to find them now, and if they find some amongst the 11 UFA's, they'll have a good opportunity to get rid of them this summer. Said having so many UFAs was a negative factor, with all the money involved all the players were thinking about themselves first. That's class. Some player just couldnt wait to criticize Carbo's lack of communication the day following his firing. Carbo won't say a bad word about anyone on the team because the season isnt over, because he still puts the team above his own petty self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/20...e-va-sortir.php Says he'll wait after the season to clear things up. When asked if there was rotten apples in the lockerroom, he said it's up to Bob and the owners to find them now, and if they find some amongst the 11 UFA's, they'll have a good opportunity to get rid of them this summer. Said having so many UFAs was a negative factor, with all the money involved all the players were thinking about themselves first. That's class. Some player just couldnt wait to criticize Carbo's lack of communication the day following his firing. Carbo won't say a bad word about anyone on the team because the season isnt over, because he still puts the team above his own petty self. Yes and No. Don't forget the media were all over the players the day of and after the firing and the question at the time was " Do you think communication is something Carbo could use work on?" Carbo had a week to mull over his thoughts and pick the PC answer in hopes of one day landing another NHL coaching gig. The story would have been different if it was immediately afterwards. Edited March 19, 2009 by Habitforming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Yes and No. Don't forget the media were all over the players the day of and after the firing and the question at the time was " Do you think communication is something Carbo could use work on?" Carbo had a week to mull over his thoughts and pick the PC answer in hopes of one day landing another NHL coaching gig. The story would have been different if it was immediately afterwards. Kovy refused to say anything. It's not like players are forced to say anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Alex Kovalev talekd about Carbo. Complete French version: http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/271446.html English version (a tad less detailed): http://www.montrealgazette.com/Sports/beef...3102/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Alex Kovalev talekd about Carbo. Complete French version: http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/271446.html Yes, article is from today. He waited as long as Carbo waited before saying anything. Didnt kick the man while he was down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Yes, article is from today. He waited as long as Carbo waited before saying anything. Didnt kick the man while he was down. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Yes, article is from today. He waited as long as Carbo waited before saying anything. Didnt kick the man while he was down. I respect Kovy for not pulling a Koivu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I respect Kovy for not pulling a Koivu the whole koivu thing is being blown way out of proportion. they asked him the question, he hemmed and hawed a bit, and said "maybe" the communication wasn't perfect, but no one is perfect. what did carbo say at his press conference: my communication wasnt perfect, but no one is perfect. koivu's the captain and felt the need to not simply clam up. i suspect carbo's communication skills weren't great (I'm stil sad to see him go though). when "the truth comes out", i seriously suspect you will see about 50 issues ahead of koivu. I'm not apologizing for koivu's play - I suspect he might be gone come UFA time. but he didn't fire carbo, gainey did.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 This is a big issue with me. We, as fans bitch that players in the NHL give robotic answers, never giving us any information. So when people give honest answers, we condem them. So what if Carbo was a terrible communicator, if it's the truth it's the truth. How about holding coaches accountable the same way we want to hold players accountable? This isn't a peewee coach doing this for free, he gets paid a salary, one I bet rivals all of ours. So why should they be above reproach? Honestly it's catch 22, if you say nothing we bitch, if you say your true feelings you get labelled a bad apple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'm waiting for the "duh duh duuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh". This sounds like an ominous statement from a cheesy B movie. Carbo did have a press conference and all, so I guess "new" news and excerpts are expected. But man, beating a dead horse is tiring, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 the whole koivu thing is being blown way out of proportion. they asked him the question, he hemmed and hawed a bit, and said "maybe" the communication wasn't perfect, but no one is perfect. what did carbo say at his press conference: my communication wasnt perfect, but no one is perfect. koivu's the captain and felt the need to not simply clam up. i suspect carbo's communication skills weren't great (I'm stil sad to see him go though). when "the truth comes out", i seriously suspect you will see about 50 issues ahead of koivu. I'm not apologizing for koivu's play - I suspect he might be gone come UFA time. but he didn't fire carbo, gainey did.... More and more commentators are saying that behind the scenes, Koivu was the main guy tossing Carbo under the bus. He didn't just talk to Gainey either, but went over a lot of heads, if you get the point here. People act like Koivu was pushed to trash Carbo. He wasn't. Several reporters said that the players were asked those questions and no one but Koivu had anything bad to say. Some clearly would have, but they knew better. Koivu knows better too, so it was done on purpose to justify the firing he helped make happen. I think Kovy was a negative influence too, but he knows when to shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 This is a big issue with me. We, as fans bitch that players in the NHL give robotic answers, never giving us any information. So when people give honest answers, we condem them. So what if Carbo was a terrible communicator, if it's the truth it's the truth. How about holding coaches accountable the same way we want to hold players accountable? This isn't a peewee coach doing this for free, he gets paid a salary, one I bet rivals all of ours. So why should they be above reproach? Honestly it's catch 22, if you say nothing we bitch, if you say your true feelings you get labelled a bad apple. You are right. So I hope Gainey holds those players accountable too. So far they are proving it wasn't Carbo.. so who are they going to blame next? Apparently, not the guy in the mirror... I would say this is more Gainey's fault then Carbo. Too many UFA. Not enough help at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 The thing is, I take the Carbo firing as a choice by Gainey/management of Koivu over Carbo. And you can come to that conclusion in two ways: either because Gainey heeded Koivu's complaints and fired his buddy for them (aside for any other reasons he had), or because Koivu's going to be a UFA and keeping Carbo would have meant letting Saks go. If Koivu really did "force" Gainey's hand, then it seems pretty clear that Bob intends to re-sign him - and apparently he already has. My point with all this is that it doesn't seem like anyone is going to "hold those players accountable." Like it or not, Koivu's almost a lock to be getting a new contract with us. I guess I'm in the "not" camp. Not that I really have a problem with anything Koivu said after the firing. If he needs to be held accountable for anything it's that he's been all too invisible this season. The best thing about losing Koivu is that it would FORCE Gainey to finally pull the trigger on one of those Lecavalier/Jokinen deals he always backs out of. ------------------- I don't mind what Kovalev said about Carbo either. He basically said he liked the guy but didn't understand a lot of his moves (grinders on the PP, line juggling, the usual stuff...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I take the Carbo firing as Carbo refused to pull Price ever. He let him sit there and get destroyed on multiple ocasions. He played grinders on the power play and power play specialists on the PK. He never communicated, now he's gone. That's it. Deal with it. He never made a tactical change when the team had problems. He threw grinders at the problem and it didn't work. I don't care about Koivu. I don't love him or hate him as a player. I have never heard evidence that Koivu was hard to deal with by coaches. It's all created and made up by us. The fans, bloggers and media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 The thing is, I take the Carbo firing as a choice by Gainey/management of Koivu over Carbo. And you can come to that conclusion in two ways: either because Gainey heeded Koivu's complaints and fired his buddy for them (aside for any other reasons he had), or because Koivu's going to be a UFA and keeping Carbo would have meant letting Saks go. If Koivu really did "force" Gainey's hand, then it seems pretty clear that Bob intends to re-sign him - and apparently he already has. My point with all this is that it doesn't seem like anyone is going to "hold those players accountable." Like it or not, Koivu's almost a lock to be getting a new contract with us. I guess I'm in the "not" camp. Not that I really have a problem with anything Koivu said after the firing. If he needs to be held accountable for anything it's that he's been all too invisible this season. The best thing about losing Koivu is that it would FORCE Gainey to finally pull the trigger on one of those Lecavalier/Jokinen deals he always backs out of. ------------------- I don't mind what Kovalev said about Carbo either. He basically said he liked the guy but didn't understand a lot of his moves (grinders on the PP, line juggling, the usual stuff...). The suggestion on the NHL channel was that Koivu went to Gillette and Gainey. Gillette loves Koivu, no doubt. I hope they let him go too, just to get a better centre if for no other reason. Koivu's days are limited, imo. PS.. I don't regret all the Koivu years, I loved the guy for over a decade.. but all good things come to an end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I take the Carbo firing as Carbo refused to pull Price ever. He let him sit there and get destroyed on multiple ocasions. He played grinders on the power play and power play specialists on the PK. He never communicated, now he's gone. That's it. Deal with it. He never made a tactical change when the team had problems. He threw grinders at the problem and it didn't work. But, you see, you can't just make things up and then build an argument off them. Your arguments start out with truth but you exaggerated every point. *He never pulled Price? I believe there are stats that contradict this. Not to mention that just before his firing, he'd let Halak run with a winning streak until he got the flu. I don't think he often left Price out to dry - I do remember several occasions where his teammates hung him out to dry though. *Which powerplay specialists did he use on the PK? Koivu and Kovalev, two of our best PKers? *It's true that he occasionally used grinders on the PP, either because he needed the right-hand shot, or because he was trying to send a message to the rest of the team who hadn't earned the ice time (a decision I support). Saying he regularly gave Kostopoulos or any other grinder a PP shift just isn't true. *He never communicated? Are you serious? For one thing, you have no way of knowing his so it's once again an invention. And then do you honestly think he stood around at practicing never saying a word to anyone? Just standing there, not speaking. He might not have been Dr. Phil, but he's said his door has always been open and he has assistants to give pep talks for him if he's really a mute as some people seem to believe. If it's true that he was such a horrid coach - and maybe it is - then you should be able to make a case for it without making things up or making gross exaggerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Guy in three weeks: "And the truth is...we blow." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 The weirdest thing is that since Gainey's stepped behind the bench, he's been doing all the same things that Carbo did. It's not like he fired him and said "This system totally sucks, the lines suck, we're starting the wrong goalie, we're using the wrong players; I'm going to come in and change it all." Instead, Carbo tried everything, gets no results and then Gainey comes and starts trying all those same things with the same results. I can't wait until he tries Metropolit on the PP. Yeah, so far all the coaching change has done is to put Bob in front of the bus. He's taken the wheel of a sinking ship and seemingly done very little to change course. Like Carbo, he's shifted ice time around and changed up personnel, but I still see the same old Habs. They're weak on the puck. They lose one-on-one battles. They don't make good decisions. They have no aggressiveness on defense. In terms of how the team plays, I haven't seen a single change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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