GDT Nashville Predators vs. Montreal Canadiens | March 2nd, 2017 | 7:30 EST

[JoeLassister]

9 hours ago, Scott462 said:

 

We need you and your lady at more games.

 

And you got exactly what you wished for.

Pay me season tickets 

[Guest Stogey24]

9 hours ago, JGC21 said:

What a depressing thread... glad I watched the game instead of reading everyone's negative comments.  Cheer up gang, 4 wins in a row!

Why do you think there is negative comments? 

[JoeLassister]

12 hours ago, Trizzak said:

 

That sign was taken down. They can use excuses now. 

Yeah.  No wonder why they went with Claude Julien...

[DON]

14 hours ago, huzer said:

That was pretty special. Kinda of a cold cutaway to Bergevin there, too.

They did, he was twitchy in his seat and wasn't joining the chant for that ex-hab.

Pulled out another victory and hopefully Gallagher has monkey off his back and now lets see Lehkonen with hat trick vs Rangers on Sat!

[DON]

13 hours ago, habs rule said:

yeah we gt over that now it is ALL EXCUSES.

Jup, too bad Byron is too fast.

[JoeLassister]

10 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Nice tribute for Subban before the game. I actually missed him until he got that first assist. 

 

Glad we won the game. Joe, I'm not sure anyone has ever mentioned this but you two need to stay together forever.

 

 

 

10 hours ago, sbhatt said:

 

No kidding.  That record should be a sign....stop stalling and marry this girl already, Joe.

 

2 hours ago, Commandant said:

10-0 means nothing... they'll have a huge swoon between games 20-45.

 

2 hours ago, PMAC said:

Doesn't everyone? ??

Fun fact :

We went to Argentina last year and bought some wine bottles and one of them is worth 100$.  It is an "assemblage".

We're supposed to let it sleep for 5 to 10 years.

My gf and I made an agreement where  IF we "divorce", the one who initiated the divorce has to give away the bottle to the other spouse.

Makes us think twice about doing it

[habs rule]

2 hours ago, DON said:

Jup, too bad Byron is too fast.

I have no idea what Byron has to do with what I said, I was thinking more of the GM ya know the guy that runs this team.

[habs rule]

28 minutes ago, JoeLassister said:

 

 

 

Fun fact :

We went to Argentina last year and bought some wine bottles and one of them is worth 100$.  It is an "assemblage".

We're supposed to let it sleep for 5 to 10 years.

My gf and I made an agreement where  IF we "divorce", the one who initiated the divorce has to give away the bottle to the other spouse.

Makes us think twice about doing it

That is funny, we used to have 2 white cats (sisters) we always said 1st one out gets the cats. Well we are still together but the cats are gone. Both lived long lives died of natural cause. Maybe I need a bottle of wine? Nah the Habs would lose and I would drink it.

[DON]

16 minutes ago, habs rule said:

I have no idea what Byron has to do with what I said, I was thinking more of the GM ya know the guy that runs this team.

excuse for winning.

 

Sorry, I just cant put a cynical and pessimistic spin on it.

Edited March 3, 2017 by DON
2nd thought

[habs rule]

37 minutes ago, DON said:

excuse for winning.

 

Sorry, I just cant put a cynical and pessimistic spin on it.

I 'm sorry but 5 years wandering around, not improving, changing 3rd and 4th liners like they come in a popcorn box. It tends to bring out the pessimism in fans. I like mark down but he has to come up with some offence, cause I want a cup. Last night was good to see Gallagher and Byron finally get some goals. Once again with any other goaltender we lose that game. We are bigger but not more skilled. You seem to be good with that, me not so much. Hopeully Mark down can improve the team over the summer. Let's hope.

[Commandant]

19 minutes ago, habs rule said:

I 'm sorry but 5 years wandering around, not improving, changing 3rd and 4th liners like they come in a popcorn box. It tends to bring out the pessimism in fans. I like mark down but he has to come up with some offence, cause I want a cup. Last night was good to see Gallagher and Byron finally get some goals. Once again with any other goaltender we lose that game. We are bigger but not more skilled. You seem to be good with that, me not so much. Hopeully Mark down can improve the team over the summer. Let's hope.

 

Don is good with whatever management does.  When was the last time he criticized any of their moves?

[habs rule]

30 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Don is good with whatever management does.  When was the last time he criticized any of their moves?

True enough. he believes they are doing their best and that is good enough, but is it?

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

3 minutes ago, habs rule said:

True enough. he believes they are doing their best and that is good enough, but is it?

 

Not in my opinion, but then again I've basically lost faith in a management group that has transparently failed to build upon the solid foundations of 2015.

[JGC21]

5 hours ago, Stogey24 said:

Why do you think there is negative comments? 

 

People love whining?

[DON]

1 hour ago, habs rule said:

I 'm sorry but 5 years wandering around, not improving, changing 3rd and 4th liners like they come in a popcorn box. It tends to bring out the pessimism in fans. I like mark down but he has to come up with some offence, cause I want a cup. Last night was good to see Gallagher and Byron finally get some goals. Once again with any other goaltender we lose that game. We are bigger but not more skilled. You seem to be good with that, me not so much. Hopeully Mark down can improve the team over the summer. Let's hope.

Fair enough, dosent matter if am good with it or not, it is what it is, And seeing Bruins and Kings sneak into playoffs and win cup, gives me hope that even with somewhat flawed or pop-gun offense that can still manage 16 wins. And I guess I simply don't take it serious enough to get too upset about the whole thing and even if losing I will watch game to the end and just hope for something positive to happen or a the next comeback like Kovalev-Koivu led team pulled off vs Rangers occurs.

[xXx..CK..xXx]

1 hour ago, habs rule said:

I 'm sorry but 5 years wandering around, not improving, changing 3rd and 4th liners like they come in a popcorn box. It tends to bring out the pessimism in fans. I like mark down but he has to come up with some offence, cause I want a cup. Last night was good to see Gallagher and Byron finally get some goals. Once again with any other goaltender we lose that game. We are bigger but not more skilled. You seem to be good with that, me not so much. Hopeully Mark down can improve the team over the summer. Let's hope.

Actually, considering the Habs have been one of the better teams in the league over the last 5 years, it should bring out the optimism in fans.

 

Here's a little statistical analysis produced by yours truly:

 

Teams received points based on their final standings over the last 4 seasons as well as their current standings this season. 30 points were awarded to the team who finished 1st place all the way down to 1 point being awarded for the last place team.

 

Over the last 5 years

 

1) Anaheim 21+26+28+29+28=132

2) Chicago 27+26+24+24+30=131

3) Pittsburgh 26+27+16+25+29=123

4) Washington 30+30+23+14+22=119

5) St. Louis 12+28+28+27+25=120

6) NYR 26+22+30+19+19=116

7) Montreal 23+10+29+22+27=111

8) Boston 18+16+14+30+26=104

9) San Jose 24+20+9+27+22=102

10) Minnesota 29+14+20+20+16=99

11) LA 13+23+13+22+24=95

12) Ottawa 21+12+18+12+19=82

13) NYI 16+21+23+5+16=81

13) Tampa Bay 10+19+26+23+3=81

15) Nashville 19+18+25+12+4=78

15) Detroit 6+16+20+17+19=78

17) Columbus 28+4+9+17+16=74

18) Dallas 6+29+12+15+10=72

19) Philadelphia 12+18+7+18+11=66

20) Vancouver 3+3+23+7+24=60

21) Winnipeg 8+7+18+9+13=55

22) Florida 14+26+11+2+1=54

23) Toronto 16+1+4+9+22=52

24) Colorado 1+10+10+28+2=51

25) New Jersey 8+11+6+12+10=49

26) Calgary 18+5+15+4+6=48

27) Edmonton 22+2+3+3+7=37

27) Carolina 6+13+5+7+6=37

27) Arizona/Phoenix 2+7+2+13+13=37

30) Buffalo 9+8+1+1+10=29

 

Thankfully, we're not fans of one of the many teams below us. Can any team in the top 10 win the Stanley Cup this season? Absolutely. St. Louis and Boston would be tough outs in the playoffs because they have experience. I'd like to hear a thesis on why the Habs are the only team in the top 10 without a chance. New York Rangers? They absolutely have a shot. It doesn't mean they are favorites but seeing them lift the cup would not be a surreal experience.

 

If you want to see it based on the standings from this season, here it is:

 

1) Washington 30+30+23+14+22=119

2) Minnesota 29+14+20+20+16=99

3) Columbus 28+4+9+17+16=74

4) Chicago 27+26+24+24+30=131

5) Pittsburgh 26+27+16+25+29=123

5) NYR 26+22+30+19+19=116

7) San Jose 24+20+9+27+22=102

8) Montreal 23+10+29+22+27=111

9) Edmonton 22+2+3+3+7=37

10) Ottawa 21+12+18+12+19=82

10) Anaheim 21+26+28+29+28=132

12) Nashville 19+18+25+12+4=78

13) Boston 18+16+14+30+26=104

13) Calgary 18+5+15+4+6=48

15) NYI 16+21+23+5+16=81

15) Toronto 16+1+4+9+22=52

17) Florida 14+26+11+2+1=54

18) LA 13+23+13+22+24=95

19) St. Louis 12+28+28+27+25=120

19) Philadelphia 12+18+7+18+11=66

21) Tampa Bay 10+19+26+23+3=81

22) Buffalo 9+8+1+1+10=29

23) New Jersey 8+11+6+12+10=49

23) Winnipeg 8+7+18+9+13=55

25) Carolina 6+13+5+7+6=37

25) Detroit 6+16+20+17+19=78

25) Dallas 6+29+12+15+10=72

28) Vancouver 3+3+23+7+24=60

29) Arizona/Phoenix 2+7+2+13+13=37

30) Colorado 1+10+10+28+2=51

 

Oops, looks like the Habs slid down from 7th overall over the past 5 years to 8th overall this season. Must be nice to be Boston, St. Louis and Tampa fan right now. Seems they are the teams that have dropped off. If you ask me, I'd say this version is actually less telling in predicting playoff success than the original one come playoff time anyway even though it's based on this season. I don't expect teams like Columbus and even Edmonton to quite have a shot yet because of their inexperience in playoffs. They do have a few players who have been there before but not so much as an organization.

[DON]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

 

Don is good with whatever management does.  When was the last time he criticized any of their moves?

Briere signing maybe one I cursed from get go, Audette draftpick, McCarron draftpick and hiring an all French crew to run Bulldogs (and Lacarriere Jr hiring also). Other than that Ben, I have got little to complain about, sorry.

[DON]

50 minutes ago, habs rule said:

True enough. he believes they are doing their best and that is good enough, but is it?

Without actual knowledge of what exactly is going on behind closed doors, is 99% speculation and assumptions...like with Hudon...why hasn't he been with the Habs as he has produced when called up and ever since he turned pro? I would guess vast majority of fans think he should be playing and could add more offense than Mitchell-Flynn-Ott-Andrighetto-etc, but likely only Habs Mgmt knows exactly what their expectations and plan is for him.

[KoRP]

On ‎03‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 0:39 AM, JGC21 said:

What a depressing thread... glad I watched the game instead of reading everyone's negative comments.  Cheer up gang, 4 wins in a row!

Yep, if I had children that cried and whined like that, they would be banished to their room until the game was over...holy moly.

 

Oh yeah, thank you Joe Lassiter!

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

19 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Actually, considering the Habs have been one of the better teams in the league over the last 5 years, it should bring out the optimism in fans.

 

Here's a little statistical analysis produced by yours truly:

 

Teams received points based on their final standings over the last 4 seasons as well as their current standings this season. 30 points were awarded to the team who finished 1st place all the way down to 1 point being awarded for the last place team.

 

Over the last 5 years

 

1) Anaheim 21+26+28+29+28=132

2) Chicago 27+26+24+24+30=131

3) Pittsburgh 26+27+16+25+29=123

4) Washington 30+30+23+14+22=119

5) St. Louis 12+28+28+27+25=120

6) NYR 26+22+30+19+19=116

7) Montreal 23+10+29+22+27=111

8) Boston 18+16+14+30+26=104

9) San Jose 24+20+9+27+22=102

10) Minnesota 29+14+20+20+16=99

11) LA 13+23+13+22+24=95

12) Ottawa 21+12+18+12+19=82

13) NYI 16+21+23+5+16=81

13) Tampa Bay 10+19+26+23+3=81

15) Nashville 19+18+25+12+4=78

15) Detroit 6+16+20+17+19=78

17) Columbus 28+4+9+17+16=74

18) Dallas 6+29+12+15+10=72

19) Philadelphia 12+18+7+18+11=66

20) Vancouver 3+3+23+7+24=60

21) Winnipeg 8+7+18+9+13=55

22) Florida 14+26+11+2+1=54

23) Toronto 16+1+4+9+22=52

24) Colorado 1+10+10+28+2=51

25) New Jersey 8+11+6+12+10=49

26) Calgary 18+5+15+4+6=48

27) Edmonton 22+2+3+3+7=37

27) Carolina 6+13+5+7+6=37

27) Arizona/Phoenix 2+7+2+13+13=37

30) Buffalo 9+8+1+1+10=29

 

Thankfully, we're not fans of one of the many teams below us. Can any team in the top 10 win the Stanley Cup this season? Absolutely. St. Louis and Boston would be tough outs in the playoffs because they have experience. I'd like to hear a thesis on why the Habs are the only team in the top 10 without a chance. New York Rangers? They absolutely have a shot. It doesn't mean they are favorites but seeing them lift the cup would not be a surreal experience.

 

If you want to see it based on the standings from this season, here it is:

 

1) Washington 30+30+23+14+22=119

2) Minnesota 29+14+20+20+16=99

3) Columbus 28+4+9+17+16=74

4) Chicago 27+26+24+24+30=131

5) Pittsburgh 26+27+16+25+29=123

5) NYR 26+22+30+19+19=116

7) San Jose 24+20+9+27+22=102

8) Montreal 23+10+29+22+27=111

9) Edmonton 22+2+3+3+7=37

10) Ottawa 21+12+18+12+19=82

10) Anaheim 21+26+28+29+28=132

12) Nashville 19+18+25+12+4=78

13) Boston 18+16+14+30+26=104

13) Calgary 18+5+15+4+6=48

15) NYI 16+21+23+5+16=81

15) Toronto 16+1+4+9+22=52

17) Florida 14+26+11+2+1=54

18) LA 13+23+13+22+24=95

19) St. Louis 12+28+28+27+25=120

19) Philadelphia 12+18+7+18+11=66

21) Tampa Bay 10+19+26+23+3=81

22) Buffalo 9+8+1+1+10=29

23) New Jersey 8+11+6+12+10=49

23) Winnipeg 8+7+18+9+13=55

25) Carolina 6+13+5+7+6=37

25) Detroit 6+16+20+17+19=78

25) Dallas 6+29+12+15+10=72

28) Vancouver 3+3+23+7+24=60

29) Arizona/Phoenix 2+7+2+13+13=37

30) Colorado 1+10+10+28+2=51

 

Oops, looks like the Habs slid down from 7th overall over the past 5 years to 8th overall this season. Must be nice to be Boston, St. Louis and Tampa fan right now. Seems they are the teams that have dropped off. If you ask me, I'd say this version is actually less telling in predicting playoff success than the original one come playoff time anyway even though it's based on this season. I don't expect teams like Columbus and even Edmonton to quite have a shot yet because of their inexperience in playoffs. They do have a few players who have been there before but not so much as an organization.

 

Great post! However, this data does suggest that the team performance has stagnated rather than taken the next step into the inner circle of front-ranked contenders. Otherwise put, yes, we are second tier contenders and have been so since 2013-14. Your interpretation is to suggest we be thankful that the team has not slipped significantly downwards; those of us who wanted a rebuild that led to an elite, league-feared contender will ask instead why MB's team has not improved in any discernable way over the past 3-4 seasons, given that it has never been in the top tier during that time.

[DON]

39 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Great post! However, this data does suggest that the team performance has stagnated rather than taken the next step into the inner circle of front-ranked contenders. Otherwise put, yes, we are second tier contenders and have been so since 2013-14. Your interpretation is to suggest we be thankful that the team has not slipped significantly downwards; those of us who wanted a rebuild that led to an elite, league-feared contender will ask instead why MB's team has not improved in any discernable way over the past 3-4 seasons, given that it has never been in the top tier during that time.

I WANT to win lottery, but don't complain when it dosent happen. Are good reasons the team is very good but not elite, given the state of the team when Bergevin took over.

[KoRP]

2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

ask instead why MB's team has not improved in any discernable way over the past 3-4 seasons, given that it has never been in the top tier during that time.

You really don't think the team has improved in any discernible way, really though? I'm not saying everything is rosie, but c'mon man...

 

A lot of great teams 3-4 years ago, like Anaheim, St.Louis, Boston, Tampa, even Colorado, Detroit and not so long ago Vancouver were all feared teams, now look at them. 

 

I think Bergevin is holding his own, he has stuck to what he said he would do in the first place, improve the club, without compromising the future, to build a perpetual contender.

 

If this team is not a contender, with Price, Weber, Markov, Chucky, Patch, Radu, and Claude Julien as coach, then neither is Washington really...look at how they collapse year in year out in the playoffs, their scoring dries up, and their coach hasn't lifted a cup either... Everything is relative.

[DON]

5 minutes ago, KoRP said:

You really don't think the team has improved in any discernible way, really though? I'm not saying everything is rosie, but c'mon man...

 

A lot of great teams 3-4 years ago, like Anaheim, St.Louis, Boston, Tampa, even Colorado, Detroit and not so long ago Vancouver were all feared teams, now look at them. 

 

I think Bergevin is holding his own, he has stuck to what he said he would do in the first place, improve the club, without compromising the future, to build a perpetual contender.

 

If this team is not a contender, with Price, Weber, Markov, Chucky, Patch, Radu, and Claude Julien as coach, then neither is Washington really...look at how they collapse year in year out in the playoffs, their scoring dries up, and their coach hasn't lifted a cup either... Everything is relative.

What he said!

[habs rule]

11 minutes ago, KoRP said:

You really don't think the team has improved in any discernible way, really though? I'm not saying everything is rosie, but c'mon man...

 

A lot of great teams 3-4 years ago, like Anaheim, St.Louis, Boston, Tampa, even Colorado, Detroit and not so long ago Vancouver were all feared teams, now look at them. 

 

I think Bergevin is holding his own, he has stuck to what he said he would do in the first place, improve the club, without compromising the future, to build a perpetual contender.

 

If this team is not a contender, with Price, Weber, Markov, Chucky, Patch, Radu, and Claude Julien as coach, then neither is Washington really...look at how they collapse year in year out in the playoffs, their scoring dries up, and their coach hasn't lifted a cup either... Everything is relative.

No I think MB inherited a pretty good team that was badly managed (ghost). Other than Rads all we have done is switch 3rd and 4th liners. Take a look at the list you made these are Bob Gainey adds. This is still primarily  the team he got from Big Bob. Ok he drafted Galchenyuk but that was kind of a no brainer. I have always supported MB and am not on the fire MB bandwagon, but the constant year after year excuses about there being no talent available, does start to look a little hollow when the Seguins, Kane, etc are moving around the league. How is it some other GM's, example Ken Holland found guys for over 20 years. 25 years in the playoffs, pretty impressive, how many rebuilds have we gone through in that time? I understand build through the draft but that has not been working so good for us. Our prospect pool is not that big, and I don't see too many sure fire NHL 1st liners down there

[KoRP]

That's fair enough I guess Habs Rule, you make some good points, your opinion though, and your expectations, same as I have, doesn't mean either one of us is right.

 

But in the end,  isn't it really all relative? Seguin hasn't got the Dallas Stars anywhere, Kane and O'Reilly have not got Buffalo anywhere, Kessel joined a stacked team at C, and the Kings aren't in the playoffs just now, but if they make it, they may scare the top teams.

 

All I'm saying is, although maybe not top contenders, Habs are still contenders, and I am happy enough in this new NHL era, there are much worse teams and GM's in the league, and MTL isn't the only team with holes, but we roll 4 lines...