GDT GAME#51 Leafs vs Habs 7:00pm Monday Feb 21 2022

[Habsfan89]

12 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Oh nice, debate something that does not need to be debated and then follow it up by incorrectly answering your own question.

 

Typical style of yours. 
 

In regards to accurately answering your first inquiry here is a direct quote:

 

“The guy we’ve seen since training camp is just another rookie, nothing special at all.

Some folks in this discussion are already downgrading him to, like, a 2nd-line guy who will maybe get 25 goals some day, acting like that was the reasonable expectation all along, and also acting satisfied with that (because, you know, the ONLY stars in the NHL are the guys drafted first overall, which is a proposition so obviously false it scarcely warrants rebuttal). But that was NOT the expectation. He was billed as a future star of at least the “Mike Cammalleri” ilk. Timmins was shocked at his good luck in being able to draft him where he did; he expected him to go higher. 

CC was one of the only Habs rookies about whom I believed the hype, based on what I saw in the playoffs. Yet now he looks like Sven Andrigetto and now we’re being told that’s OK. 

They made the right decision to send him down early this season and that’s where he should have stayed. 

This is not to call out the initial post as that would be a d@&k move. With that being said, the post compares Caufield to Sven Andrighetto. Is Sven Andrighetto good? It also states that people are downgrading his potential so obviously there has been somewhat of a lukewarm discussion concerning Caufield, at best. 
 

Third of all, him being downgraded in this context is to the second line so I am

obviously aware that no one said he is not good. They are simply underwhelmed based on their high expectations of him. There’s nothing wrong with that; I am

merely in a different camp concerning Caufield. I think he is the real deal and have never waivered. For some reason that seems to bother people.

 

As for the second part, here is the direct quote.

 

 

“For what my opinion is worth, Caufield will always be a player who I can use in the same breath as Phill Kessel and Auston Matthews when it comes to goal scoring ability. If not only because of his performance with the US junior development program and the records he broke there. 
 

While Kessel has taken his share of criticism over his career, both he and Matthews have shown the ability to perform on the 1st line in the NHL.“

 

One can choose to nit-pick one sentence from what I wrote, use it out of context, and choose to scold me for whatever reason. With that being said, because the point clearly went over your head, the point is that Caufield’s strength is his goal scoring ability. He broke goal scoring records with the US developmental program that included players like Auston Matthews and Phil Kessel. IF ONLY for that reason, I will

always use him in the same breath as them. If Matthews ends up with a career high of 52 goals and Caufield 38, it wouldn’t surprise me (Kessel’s is 37).

 

The post was also in direct response to the expectation that he may only score 25 goals in the league and belong on the second line. My opinion is that he will end with more than that in general. In case you stopped reading at Auston Matthews take a moment to read the last line of my quote.
 

Long story short… Auston Matthews, 1 line winger. Phil Kessel, 1st line winger. Caufield’s future? 1st line winger.

 

Now from your part, would you like to do some research and share where I said no one said Caufield would be good? Or would you like to simply take this loss? I never said that. The army I was referring to are those who argue with me every time I say something positive about Caufield. It’s not my fault you take what I am saying out of context and try to create a debate out of thin air.

If you want to compare Canfield to someone its a more realistic comparison to Zack Parise, T.J Oshie or Marin St.Louis. He seems to fit those type of molds. 

[xXx..CK..xXx]

41 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

If you want to compare Canfield to someone its a more realistic comparison to Zack Parise, T.J Oshie or Marin St.Louis. He seems to fit those type of molds. 

I could see him being a hybrid of Parise and  St. Louis but not quite each player in their own right. Either way, 40+ goals in a season, as well as 38 goals for their second best season. I’ll take it should it come to fruition. 

 

The comparison I was making to Matthews & Kessel is in regards to the following:

 

https://www.usahockeyntdp.com/records

 

Either “Career” or “Single Season”. Take your pick.
 

I apologize for leaving Patrick Kane out of my “comparison” of Caufield. 
 

He’ll be a 1st liner.

 

[hab29RETIRED]

1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

I could see him being a hybrid of Parise and  St. Louis but not quite each player in their own right. Either way, 40+ goals in a season, as well as 38 goals for their second best season. I’ll take it should it come to fruition. 

 

The comparison I was making to Matthews & Kessel is in regards to the following:

 

https://www.usahockeyntdp.com/records

 

Either “Career” or “Single Season”. Take your pick.
 

I apologize for leaving Patrick Kane out of my “comparison” of Caufield. 
 

He’ll be a 1st liner.

 

I think there is a very high probability that Caufield will be a a 1st liner, and I certainly hope he will be close to the players that Kane and Matthews are, and potentially better than Kessel.

 

having said that, there are a lot of players on that list that have not amounted to much, or still have not proven they are all elite or superstar players.  So as high as am on Caufield, there are no guarantees he will reach his potential. Since the coaching change, he certainly looks to back on the right track.

none of the following realized their potential as wither scorers, playmakers. 
 

some off them still may, but none were as sure bets as Matthews or Kane.

4	Jeremy Morin	2007-09	81
7	Andy Hilbert	1997-99	73
8	Oliver Wahlstrom	2016-18	72
9	Clayton Keller	2014-16	71

6

Jeremy Bracco

2013-15

168

J.D. Forrest	1997-2000	88
9	Sonny Milano	2012-14	85
10	Cam York	2017-19	81

 

[Neech]

I think Kessel-level production is Caufield's absolute ceiling, which would be the best Habs player of my lifetime.  I saw Cukes compare him to Cammi, which would be a bit disappointing to me - strangely, Cammi hit 80 points twice but never reached 60 another time.  I think Caufield will be good for 60-80 for the next decade.