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Doesn't matter what you want, some trades are painful. I 'dont' want to see him traded, but he could be a valuable piece in a deal and would save having to trade Galchenyuk. Shaw can play the 'spark plug' role.

Sorry for the late response, it took me a while to sift through the grammatical and spelling errors in your post. Breathe, and then post, it's not hard. Yes, we are all aware of the genius ability you have as an armchair GM. If only you were actually a part of the negotiations would we be able to swallow the crap that you feed us. I also would have signed him to a 14 year deal at a lower hit, but reality tells me I'm not able to wave a magic wand and make it happen. My reality and yours are quite different though. I don't get angry at things that didn't happen in my fictional proposals. Do you have proof Subban would have signed such a contract? Your problem is that when someone doesn't do what you would do it means they are incompetent. "If you start listening to the fans you will become one of them" - Marc Bergevin

Mitch Gallo 690 was saying that yesterday.

Oh good the PK/Weber debate.

I and most will agree on that.

Subban is not the best but is paid like the best. He could perhaps be considered that in the future but he isn't right now. To put it into context, he is making 2.5x what Josi is making for the next 3 years. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about Weber being the best....nowhere. The steam coming out of your ears is affecting your reading comprehension.

Yesterday, heard one person who is around Habs saying Subban being gone was good for dressing room. Today a different person said situation with Subban was "untenable" and there was a serious dressing room issue. I have heard absolutely zero people disputing that since the trade happened, is has all 100% been in-line with those recent comments. Some people are just idiots and think world revolves around them and being traded maybe has smartened him up somewhat?

-A really hot goalie - 3 other Dman playing equal to and better on occasion - Johansen battling right through more then 2.5 of 4 rounds with the best of the C's in the west. - did I say a really hot goalie? - arvidson playing like a demon rather then a sophomore - their 4th overall pick foresberg playing WAY better then our 3rd overall pick galchenyuk -a lot of secondary scoring -sissions scoring timely goals... - a rookie gaudreau really blossoming in essentially his first taste of NHL hockey let alone the WCF and SCF after Johansen went down ... -fisher turning back the clock... - a really hot goalie - so many factors to Nashville's SC loss, and I do stress loss. In the end, injury to Johansen did catch up to them. dont get me wrong subban played a huge role as well but let's not make it out like the preds would of been worse off with Weber and we would of scored more with the Subbanator against NYR. the two biggest factors from Nashville losing to SJ last year and LOSING in the final this year is goaltending and secondary scoring.

There's so much to debate here that rather than doing so, just pretend that I ripped this post to shreds.

I wouldn't be as concerned about the Price deal if we didn't have a gm who hands out both stupid term and $ for 3rd line character. If you have your bottom 6 making $7 or $8m and your bottom pair D making $2m we'd be okay, but that's not the case. The only really good contracts we have are Byron and maxpac.

This is a shitty deal for the team but MB had no choice. We need Price signed or traded for a kings ransom. Deals like Shaw's hurt even more now. But I'm happy to have Carey here for a long time.

You forgot Weber being a pylon and totally ineffective in the clinching game in which he was on the ice for 4 or 5 goals against in the clinching game. You can blame goaltending all you want but YouTube webers play on those goals. the preds also never got past Chicago before, where Subban totally shutdown toews. What was the if reason that MB have for the trade. Weber's leadership and the fact that he won the (whooping friggin do) messier leadership award. Did his leadership prevent the collapse that FINALLY got MT fired?? MB himself called the team fragile after their playoff loss - guess he wasn't able to lead them out of their fragile state. anyway, in tired about debating the Subban-Weber trade. Al I can say if the situation reversed the trade supporters would still be crowing about it.

Was it your uncle mike?

So whose fault is it the for Subban's salary??? You do realize all of his peers were signed out of their entry level deals and only the idiotic bargain bin Bergevin choose to go the beidg route with his key dman. Before the lockout started I was a huge advocate of signing Subban to a Keith type 14 year deal that would have taken Subban to around 37. But unlike the rest of his peers who were scrambling to lockup their key young RFA's to long-term deals, bargain bin didn't reach an agreement. After the lickiutbub as pushing for an 8 year deal, where Karlsson as the Norris winner would have been the upper limit, but bargain bin pushed for the bridge and hit hit in the ass by it. The only other team to go that route with a player of the same stature were the incompetent and dysfunctional avalanche who couldn't reach an agreement with ROR who was offer sheeted by Calgary. Both players ended up being traded were less than adequate returns. so the fact that Subban is paid what he is is because of their he stupidity if your favourite GM? But I'm sure that is far too much for someone of your intelligence to comprehend.

No, even Donald trump isn't as dumb as illwill

He's not dumb, but like DON, he doesn't have the confidence to form his own opinions. Whatever management does is manna. Bergevin could fart under these guys noses and they would compliment the breeze.