Habitforming Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 After further consideration, if this comes to pass, I will run through my local shopping mall buck naked with a Leaf's logo painted on my back. I'll even post the resulting naked tackle and arrest on youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK1 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Why would they make him captain, and then offer him only a 1 year deal!? This report makes absolutely NO sense what so ever! Kovy will be lucky to get 7 million$ over 2 years from the Habs. I will continue to pray that the habs can come to an agreement with Komisarek soon. He should be our next captain! Kovy will sign for 4M-ish, somewhere. If MTL doesn't give it to him, there are plenty of other teams that can justify spending that kind of dough on an uber-talented, niche player such as him. You have to remember that in MTL he was basically asked to shoulder the whole load of the team, while at the same time not even wearing the C at that! If another team needs his skills and basically uses him as a PP specialist and 2nd line sniper, he will find lots of homes at the above salary range. The problem all along with MTL was that he was expected to be the player he has never, ever been in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Kovy will sign for 4M-ish, somewhere. If MTL doesn't give it to him, there are plenty of other teams that can justify spending that kind of dough on an uber-talented, niche player such as him. You have to remember that in MTL he was basically asked to shoulder the whole load of the team, while at the same time not even wearing the C at that! If another team needs his skills and basically uses him as a PP specialist and 2nd line sniper, he will find lots of homes at the above salary range. The problem all along with MTL was that he was expected to be the player he has never, ever been in his career. Kovy's ego LOVES this though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 After further consideration, if this comes to pass, I will run through my local shopping mall buck naked with a Leaf's logo painted on my back. I'll even post the resulting naked tackle and arrest on youtube. I think you could sell tickets for that, don't be so quick to just give it away. Actually if this happened i would join you the story is plain stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 I think you could sell tickets for that, don't be so quick to just give it away. Actually if this happened i would join you the story is plain stupid. I might hold you to that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I call BS But yeah, Koivu should go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Guy thinks so too: http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/275474.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Kovy's agent denied the rumour. http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/275465.html He says that he didn't speak with Gainey so far, but will when his client will be back from Russia in 1 week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Guy thinks so too: http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/275474.html Guy is a low level piece of shit who needs to take some lessons of tact. Does he think because he is a Habs great that he knows everything? I would assume if he knew anything about the way the game is operated and played he would be a coach, member of management or scout by now. Go to jail and shut your hole Guy (don't forget to cash in your $300K salary from the Habs as you shit on the players and team) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 The players dumped on GC also.Don't forget that point. GC was in the locker room to witness each players strengths and weaknesses on and off the ice. All of us arm chair coaches and GM's can like who we want, and throw people under the bus whenever we want. The simple facts are Koivu has been the worst (record wise) captain in habs history. He has a history of lazy teams, locker room problems, getting coaches canned, etc. I like Koivu asa player (although i think he is done now) he is a great person, community guy but i am a habs fan and i have no reason to beleive next years team will be any better then last years under his reign. Kovalev is also a coach killer, locker room problem (rumored), his work ethic is second to LAST. He is unreliable and been an underaciever his entire carreer. I don't see why this team would be better with him on the team either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redondo Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 The players dumped on GC also.Don't forget that point. GC was in the locker room to witness each players strengths and weaknesses on and off the ice. All of us arm chair coaches and GM's can like who we want, and throw people under the bus whenever we want. The simple facts are Koivu has been the worst (record wise) captain in habs history. He has a history of lazy teams, locker room problems, getting coaches canned, etc. I like Koivu asa player (although i think he is done now) he is a great person, community guy but i am a habs fan and i have no reason to beleive next years team will be any better then last years under his reign. Kovalev is also a coach killer, locker room problem (rumored), his work ethic is second to LAST. He is unreliable and been an underaciever his entire carreer. I don't see why this team would be better with him on the team either. Wrong Guy - the comments were by Lafleur, not Carbonneau (I assumed the same thing until I read the article, and was frankly relieved, since it's been years since I took Lafleur's comments on anything seriously, not sure anyone else does either). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chips Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 6Mil Peso's maybe... after that last horrible season; he'll be lucky to get a taco salad; Kovy needs to prove he truly wants to stay in Montreal and offer a home town discount! a DEEP discount. :contract: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mineral Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 (edited) 6Mil Peso's maybe... after that last horrible season; he'll be lucky to get a taco salad; Kovy needs to prove he truly wants to stay in Montreal and offer a home town discount! a DEEP discount. :contract: I thought Kovalev did pretty darned good down the stretch. 17 pts in his last 10 games of the season was quite impressive. In fact that whole line of Kovy-Koivu-Tanguay was destroying at that time. I think that he redeemed himself at least a little bit with those kind of points. I also don't agree on the work-ethic part (of another post)...but i think you're referring to on the ice specifically. Off the ice he's extremely dedicated to his fitness, and i think we've seen examples of that in the past. On the ice he's doesn't dictate the tone as much as he could. And because he's an instinct player i find if the tone drops, he starts drifting a bit...until someone knocks his helmet off Edited May 29, 2009 by mineral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 The truth is is that Kovy will always be a hot/cold headcase. If you are hoping to get anything else, you are in for a rude awakening. If you could can't on him to always play his best, then he would be worth that. But that's simply not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I thought Kovalev did pretty darned good down the stretch. 17 pts in his last 10 games of the season was quite impressive. In fact that whole line of Kovy-Koivu-Tanguay was destroying at that time. I think that he redeemed himself at least a little bit with those kind of points. I also don't agree on the work-ethic part (of another post)...but i think you're referring to on the ice specifically. Off the ice he's extremely dedicated to his fitness, and i think we've seen examples of that in the past. On the ice he's doesn't dictate the tone as much as he could. And because he's an instinct player i find if the tone drops, he starts drifting a bit...until someone knocks his helmet off So we should pay him for 10 games a year and a great off-ice workout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycing Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 I would actually believe a 6 to 7 million dollar contract if it's laced with bonuses in which Kovy can only hit the big money if he plays X games, scores X points, and gives X airplane rides to his teammates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) So we should pay him for 10 games a year and a great off-ice workout? Richard Simmons, come on da-own! Edited May 30, 2009 by tokyohabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I would actually believe a 6 to 7 million dollar contract if it's laced with bonuses in which Kovy can only hit the big money if he plays X games, scores X points, and gives X airplane rides to his teammates. and a plane ride for me too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I thought Kovalev did pretty darned good down the stretch. 17 pts in his last 10 games of the season was quite impressive. In fact that whole line of Kovy-Koivu-Tanguay was destroying at that time. I think that he redeemed himself at least a little bit with those kind of points. I also don't agree on the work-ethic part (of another post)...but i think you're referring to on the ice specifically. Off the ice he's extremely dedicated to his fitness, and i think we've seen examples of that in the past. On the ice he's doesn't dictate the tone as much as he could. And because he's an instinct player i find if the tone drops, he starts drifting a bit...until someone knocks his helmet off yeah he's like cam neeley they used to say someone should just punch him in the head so he would be pissed off when he hit the ice, I think kovy is like that maybe one of the little guys at the gate should trip him as he goes on the ice for the intro's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 yeah he's like cam neeley they used to say someone should just punch him in the head so he would be pissed off when he hit the ice, I think kovy is like that maybe one of the little guys at the gate should trip him as he goes on the ice for the intro's. Insanity: the belief that one can get different results by doing the same thing. -Albert Einstein- Keeping the same team and expecting different results is insane. Kovalev is not going to morph into a consistent player at 36. This team will go as far as Higgins/Lats/AK46 etc takes it. There is no UFA saviour coming, a 22 year old goaltender is not going to mask a non-commitment to defense. This team needs structure, this team needs commitment and this team needs an infusion of elite level talent. NONE of this is going to happen this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Insanity: the belief that one can get different results by doing the same thing. -Albert Einstein- Keeping the same team and expecting different results is insane. Kovalev is not going to morph into a consistent player at 36. This team will go as far as Higgins/Lats/AK46 etc takes it. There is no UFA saviour coming, a 22 year old goaltender is not going to mask a non-commitment to defense. This team needs structure, this team needs commitment and this team needs an infusion of elite level talent. NONE of this is going to happen this off season. You seem pretty sure about yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Insanity: the belief that one can get different results by doing the same thing. -Albert Einstein- Keeping the same team and expecting different results is insane. Kovalev is not going to morph into a consistent player at 36. This team will go as far as Higgins/Lats/AK46 etc takes it. There is no UFA saviour coming, a 22 year old goaltender is not going to mask a non-commitment to defense. This team needs structure, this team needs commitment and this team needs an infusion of elite level talent. NONE of this is going to happen this off season. I am not too sure how your post relates to my little joke but hey whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 (edited) Insanity: the belief that one can get different results by doing the same thing. -Albert Einstein- Keeping the same team and expecting different results is insane. Kovalev is not going to morph into a consistent player at 36. This team will go as far as Higgins/Lats/AK46 etc takes it. There is no UFA saviour coming, a 22 year old goaltender is not going to mask a non-commitment to defense. This team needs structure, this team needs commitment and this team needs an infusion of elite level talent. NONE of this is going to happen this off season. Surely it's reasonable to hope that 'structure' and 'commitment to defence' will come in the form of a new coach? Let's not be *too* needlessly pessimistic. Interesting to read Gainey in LaPresse. He is clearly talking about major personnel changes - or at least, his assessment is that that's what the team needs, although he also said that he alternates between 'glass half-full' and 'glass half-empty' days. (I confess, it would be reassuring if the GM didn't himself project uncertainty about how to read this team, but what are ya gonna do). Clearly, though, Bob is contemplating major surgery. So he is not insane by Einstein's definition. But you are right that the 'next wave' of players (Kostitsyns, Plekanec, Latendresse, Higgins, Price, Lapierre, maybe Komisarek) will be the primary determinant of team success. Myself, I think a new coach will pay huge dividends. You can go a lot further on so-so talent and team commitment/system than you can on talent without those things. I would not rule out a pleasant surprise next season...IF we can actually settle this damned ownership situation and move on to a new coach, as well as sensible personnel moves. Finally, I admit I'm kinda liking the idea of not re-signing Koivu. It would represent a clear turning of the page on a washed-up, failed core, and it would force Bob into finally addressing the hole at C. If Saks walks, I think we can expect to see 'major surgery' unfold thereafter. Edited May 31, 2009 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Insanity: the belief that one can get different results by doing the same thing. -Albert Einstein- Keeping the same team and expecting different results is insane. Kovalev is not going to morph into a consistent player at 36. This team will go as far as Higgins/Lats/AK46 etc takes it. There is no UFA saviour coming, a 22 year old goaltender is not going to mask a non-commitment to defense. This team needs structure, this team needs commitment and this team needs an infusion of elite level talent. NONE of this is going to happen this off season. Well, what you say suggests you can't take into account a 'bad year'. And if the law of averages takes hold through 82 games, and all teams finish exactly where they should be depending on talent, then let's take Tanguay and Lang out, and we'll be back in 1st! Certain players had horrendous years, some had decent, but not excellent years, and some players had some growing pains. Let's accept it, and get over it, and hope for some better luck next year. When's the last time a team went 82-0? The best teams aren't the best all the time, just more often than everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Maybe look at it another way, maybe last year was the exception and not the rule. All those players you mentioned had career years. All they have proven is they are 1 hit wonders. After 15+ years of futility, i am tired of seeing the same players throwing the same garbage efforts night after night. It's old hearing Kovalev will have a better year. Really? I think people have been saying that for 10+ years. I'm tired of hearing Koivu is a "great leader" Really? Where has he led them over his captaincy? The defense is soft and weak, only Markov looked like an NHL defenseman on most nights. This team has alot of holes, including coaching, work ethic and a desire to win. Look at the Wings, each player plays every shift like it will be his last, the Habs players play each shift like it was there first. Wamsley stated it very well, this group isn't going anywhere, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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