GDT GAME #48 Montreal Canadiens @ Detroit Red Wings - 7PM - Thurs, January 23, 2025

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3 hours ago, tomh009 said:

8:13 against the Rangers. Part of that may have been his confusion about when to jump on the ice. The Habs only had four players on when Lafreniere scored, as due to some confusion/miscommunication, Beck did not jump on when Armia did.

Just genuinely curious, was there any reference to this? How do we know it was Beck who was supposed to come on since he wasn’t playing every shift. I’m sure there was perhaps an article or a broadcaster who may have mentioned it but I am just wondering as it is something I missed.

 

Separate yet related comment, Beck’s

8:13 was more than Pezzetta has been playing. I don’t think there is anyone who would have come in and played regular minutes and a lot of it likely has to do with learning and playing within the system. 

[tomh009]

1 minute ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Just genuinely curious, was there any reference to this? How do we know it was Beck who was supposed to come on since he wasn’t playing every shift. I’m sure there was perhaps an article or a broadcaster who may have mentioned it but I am just wondering as it is something I missed.

 

Arpon Basu in The Athletic:

 

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As you can see here, moments before Lafrenière scored, Jake Evans was signalling to the Canadiens bench that they needed another player.

 

We asked St. Louis after the game what happened here, and he was somewhat evasive while also stating the obvious.

 

“Someone didn’t go on the ice,” he said.

 

Duh.

 

Owen Beck was also asked about it after the game, and he admitted it was a miscommunication with Joel Armia. As it turns out, they both thought they were replacing the same player on the line change, and when Armia went out, Beck stayed on the bench. So the Canadiens played for an extended period with four players on the ice as a result.

 

As it turns out, it didn’t matter. But still, not an ideal thing to happen in your first NHL home game.

 

[Commandant]

19 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

xGA about 3 at the moment so basically Montembeault has allowed one more than he should have. In the end, it doesn't matter which ones he saves and which ones he doesn't, only the total number counts.

 

32 shots in two periods, on pace for 48 ...

 

When you give up nearly 50 shots, there is also an aspect that doesn't get factored into the GSAx

the exhaustion of being peppered by sheer quantity of chances in short time. 

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3 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

 

Arpon Basu in The Athletic:

 

 

Thank you. Was just wondering because Evans and Armia played some shifts with other players, like Anderson, Gallagher, Suzuki, etc., however Beck seems to have admitted it himself. 

 

Right now against Detroit they are actually on with Caufield. 

[Commandant]

1 minute ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Thank you. Was just wondering because Evans and Armia played some shifts with other players, like Anderson, Gallagher, Suzuki, etc., however Beck seems to have admitted it himself. 

 

Right now against Detroit they are actually on with Caufield. 

 

They've been doing this in nearly every game Pezzetta has played, whether it was the Laine illness or Heineman injury.  Other wingers rotate in his spot and he plays 2 shifts or so a period. 

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Gosh Caufield has had two really good opportunities to begin this 3rd period. We could be down by 1. (If we ignore every chance Detroit has had this as well )

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1 minute ago, Commandant said:

 

They've been doing this in nearly every game Pezzetta has played, whether it was the Laine illness or Heineman injury.  Other wingers rotate in his spot and he plays 2 shifts or so a period. 

Yep, that was kind of my point about Beck’s situation when someone did not come off the bench in time because he wasn’t playing every shift as sometimes someone rotated in for him as well. 

[Commandant]

4 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Yep, that was kind of my point about Beck’s situation when someone did not come off the bench in time because he wasn’t playing every shift as sometimes someone rotated in for him as well. 

 

Yup and this is one of the problems with the ad-hoc double shifting and why I'd like them to call up someone they could play a regular shift. 

[Butterface]

2 minutes ago, Commandant said:

the exhaustion of being peppered by sheer quantity of chances in short time.

You get more shots you get an excuse.. too many shots.

You get too few and you let in one, you get an excuse… stale from no activity.

Get too many low danger shots…he has it easy….team playing well in front of him.

Too many high danger shots…. Team giving too many good chances… give him a break.

 

Monty is inconsistent. Thats all it is. Sometimes great. Sometimes average. Until he can consistently keep his average over .900 he will just be a league average goalie.

 

Not saying he won’t get better or start breaking .900, but until then he is a mid-tier goalie.

 

 

 

 

[Commandant]

7 minutes ago, Butterface said:

You get more shots you get an excuse.. too many shots.

You get too few and you let in one, you get an excuse… stale from no activity.

Get too many low danger shots…he has it easy….team playing well in front of him.

Too many high danger shots…. Team giving too many good chances… give him a break.

 

Monty is inconsistent. Thats all it is. Sometimes great. Sometimes average. Until he can consistently keep his average over .900 he will just be a league average goalie.

 

Not saying he won’t get better or start breaking .900, but until then he is a mid-tier goalie.

 

 

 

 

 

Facts are not excuses... sorry. 

 

Goalies are human, they aren't machines... you give up too many shots and chances, you are going to fatigue them. 

 

This isn't PlayStation. 

 

You also aren't going to get perfection. 

 

Fact: Monty is a top 15 goalie in GSAx this season.... Is he elite? no.  If you are expecting Carey Price, then you aren't going to get that.  But he's a solid NHL starter. 

 

And this team (no team should) give up close to 50 shots and expect their goalie to steal the game, yes it occasionally happens but that is not the norm.  When you give up that many shots, you typically lose. 

[Commandant]

Now at 42 shots so over 900 for the game, and those last two saves were insane. 

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4 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Now at 42 shots so over 900 for the game, and those last two saves were insane. 

I didn’t want to bring it up yet  He’s at .909 for tonight’s game right now

[Butterface]

Great save there.

 

The other was the post.

 

Made up for him being way out of position earlier in the game.

 

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Montembault is holding the fort right now. 
 

We can still come back 

[Commandant]

4 goals on 28 shots vs the Rangers - Dobes should start next game and get a chance to be the starter.

 

4 goals on 44 shots vs Detroit - Montembault is too inconsistent. 

 

The hypocrisy is something else 

[Commandant]

You give up 45 shots in a game, the loss isn't on the goalie..... 

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We needed to score on the power play when Detroit‘s challenge went wrong 💯

[Prime Minister Koivu]

We looked tired and slow and team defence wasn’t anywhere near what it usually is. 
 

We lost one, move on and win next game 

[Butterface]

Other games went as well as they could..

 

Ottawa and Columbus lose….

 

 

[Butterface]

8 minutes ago, Commandant said:

You give up 45 shots in a game, the loss isn't on the goalie..... 

 

I don’t think anyone said that.

 

 

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Close race

 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

23 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

We looked tired and slow and team defence wasn’t anywhere near what it usually is. 
 

We lost one, move on and win next game 

 

Yup. This was one of those games that happen from time to time to any team. It’s mid-January, you’re tired, you’re on the road, you don’t have the legs - you lose. I noticed early on that Hutson didn’t seem to have his usual jump. He was especially ‘meh’ by his usual surreal standards.

 

Still, if Caufield pots one of his golden chances, it could be a different story.

 

Monty let in one goal that made me want to gouge my eyes out with acid - one mistake amidst a barrage of chance. The loss is not on him in any way if you ask me.

 

One guy who did show a certain sense of outrage and had some really good shifts was Dach.

 

(On another note, the Wings have some pretty good players…makes me wonder why they aren’t better than they are).

[Prime Minister Koivu]

7 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Close race

 

Wow 😮 

[Butterface]

Don’t think I’m the only one using the term ‘inconsistent.’

 

I get it - sometimes he plays great, and he’s saved us a number of times. But Monty needs to find more consistency, plain and simple.

 

He’s got to be near .900 on the season after this game. At a minimum, that’s where he should be if he’s sharing the crease 50/50 or more.

 

Dobes may come down from his hot start, and if that happens, Monty can regain the crease unabated.

 

from Nov 16, 2024:

 

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/death-of-the-900-save-percentage-why-stopping-the-puck-is-so-tough-for-todays-nhl-goalies

 

The league average sat at exactly .900, which, if it holds, would be the lowest mark in the NHL in 29 years. Just 10 years ago, a whopping 17 netminders posted save percentages of .920 or better.

 

 

[Commandant]

Its not the using of inconsistent i object to.

 

Its the hypocrisy of claiming a guy who let in 4 goals on 28 shots should be tried as starter and the guy with 4 on 45 is inconsistent.

 

Judge both with the same standard if you want to use the argument to say who should be the starter.  

 

The fact that the Habs scored 5 in one of those games and 2 in the other has nothing to do with how well the goalie played, and thus the fact one is a win and one a loss is not based on the goalie in this case.

 

If you want to call Monty inconsistent, then Dobes was as inconsistent when you consider his first game was a shutout and his last game 4 on 28 shots.

 

Thats the thing though... only the very best players, the elite are consistently good, and only the worst NHLers are consistently bad.  Every other player in the league is a series of highs and lows and we have to use large sample sizes to judge them.