The '06 Election Thread

[Pierre the Great]

So simonus were you shocked with the result last night? Your predictions were way off. Suprised really since all those rural Indiana seats fell for the democrats.

That Jon Tester guy is cool.

[simonus]

So simonus were you shocked with the result last night? Your predictions were way off. Suprised really since all those rural Indiana seats fell for the democrats.

That Jon Tester guy is cool.

Pierre, perhaps my predictions were more about not wanting to jinx anything.

[Fanpuck33]

Really bad timing for Rumsfeld to step down. If he was going to step down if Dems gained power, why not just step down a month ago to hopefully help the Republican cause? I'm sure that his resignation would have put some faith back in the party, especially to the middle ground voters heavily influenced by the Iraq situation. His resignation would have been seen as Republicans agreeing things weren't going well, and that they are willing to try to fix things.

[Athlétique.Canadien]

OFFICIAL: George Allen has officially conceded. The Senate belongs to the Democrats.

CNN - Democrats win control of Senate

Edited November 9, 2006 by ATHLÉTIQUE.CANADIEN

[Pierre the Great]

Wooohooo!

Can't wait for those subpoenas!

Americans can finally learn the truth.

[Colin]

Fanpuck, here where I live we have a complete ban on smoking indoors, and while smokers might complain, there's no doubt in my mind it was the right thing to do. In fact, a number of smokers have told me they'll quit now because it's too uncomfortable to get dressed up in the winter to go out and have a smoke - many have already quit.

The argument I think I dislike the most - because no one's ever given me a real reason why it's legitimate - is why smokers should have rights too. They smoke cancer sticks... Suicide is technically illegal. And why should non-smokers be subjected to cancer stick smoke? I can't wait for the day when the smoking industry has lost so much ground (it WILL happen one day) that someone sues them for negligent homicide. Everyone should know by now that smoking kills. To still smoke is no different than drinking and driving and killing someone, except it takes a little longer.

Time for humans to evolve away from that ridiculous habit.

[Athlétique.Canadien]

To still smoke is no different than drinking and driving and killing someone, except it takes a little longer.

Agreed on all points except this one. That's a little harsh. You can't lop driving drunk with that.

C'mon now

[Pierre the Great]

Allen concedes.

Democrats control Senate.

This is awesome for the country.

Even if you are a republican, a democratic controlled congress brings balance back to the American form of government.

I'm the biggest lefty around and I support people like Webb, Casey and so on even though they do not have my views on social issues. Why? Because they are good for the country to end polarization.

With the election of Casey, Webb, Tester the democrats in my opinion are showing the country that political parties should not be based on social issues.

To me this shows that democrats actually want to unite the country while the Republicans follow Karl Rove's ideology of slash and burn. This country is a land of moderates. They don't want to go too far to the left or too far to the right. Just look how the system of checks and balances werer created for example.

I hear pundits saying it was a protest vote. Yes it was but it also awakened the old democratic party. The party of moderates and 'liberals' working together.

The republicans have lost there way in my opinion. They were orginally the party of free choice, liberatarianism and small government. But they've ticked off most of the moderates now that used to vote for them directly because of Karl Rove's idea of moving the party to the far right.

The republican party needs to go back to the basics or they'll loose more voters like they lost me 10 years ago. Yes I was a republican at one point. I am a liberatarian at heart. I saw which direction the party was going and I decided to embrace the other part of me that was not with the republican party for they don't except people with different views. On environment, social welfare, social issues and helping the poor.

I saw what the party actually was for the first tim in my life and I embraced and followed my heart. So yes, it can happen. A republican can turn into a socialist. Its not impossible because I went through it. I always thought the republican party would come towards the centre but alas that wasn't going to happen as I saw it.

So I embraced me true callings. The republican party will continue to loose Rudi Guillaini types because they are continually isolating themselves politically and culturally.

[Fanpuck33]

The argument I think I dislike the most - because no one's ever given me a real reason why it's legitimate - is why smokers should have rights too. They smoke cancer sticks... Suicide is technically illegal. And why should non-smokers be subjected to cancer stick smoke? I can't wait for the day when the smoking industry has lost so much ground (it WILL happen one day) that someone sues them for negligent homicide. Everyone should know by now that smoking kills. To still smoke is no different than drinking and driving and killing someone, except it takes a little longer.

Will the government pass prohibition again? Will the government outlaw fatty food because people are fat and dying of heart dicease? Will they outlaw driving cars because people die in accidents? Will they outlaw computers because too many people are getting carpel tunnel?

I hate smoking as much as the next non-smoker, but I think it's ridiculous to ban smoking in any indoor public area. I don't see anything wrong with smoking and non-smoking sections in resturaunts. And I find it hilarious to ban smoking in bars, where people are getting drunk and driving home.

[Colin]

Will the government pass prohibition again? Will the government outlaw fatty food because people are fat and dying of heart dicease? Will they outlaw driving cars because people die in accidents? Will they outlaw computers because too many people are getting carpel tunnel?

I hate smoking as much as the next non-smoker, but I think it's ridiculous to ban smoking in any indoor public area. I don't see anything wrong with smoking and non-smoking sections in resturaunts. And I find it hilarious to ban smoking in bars, where people are getting drunk and driving home.

Come to Ottawa and go to a bar, or any other building for that matter, then breathe in the fresh air. Then tell me how hilarious you think it is.

Drinking in and of itself does not kill 99.9% of the population. Eating in and of itself does not kill 99% of the population. Driving in and of itself does not kill. And getting carpal tunnel is hardly the same as cancer. A killer. You're equating tiny seedless grapes with a massive, cancer-riddled pineapple.

[Dutch_Habs_Fan]

The 22nd of November, Holland will have the elections!

Always funny to see how busy the politicians are now. You cant skip to another channel on tv and there they are again! They are everywhere!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Fanpuck33]

Come to Ottawa and go to a bar, or any other building for that matter, then breathe in the fresh air. Then tell me how hilarious you think it is.

I can already do that in Ohio. Why overide existing city ordinances about smoking with state law? Anyways, spending a couple hours in a bar every now and then with people smoking isn't going to kill you. Eating in a resturaunt in a separate part of the building as smokers isn't going to kill you. Second-hand smoke is only dangerous if you are around it as much as people who actually smoke.

[Colin]

I can already do that in Ohio. Why overide existing city ordinances about smoking with state law? Anyways, spending a couple hours in a bar every now and then with people smoking isn't going to kill you. Eating in a resturaunt in a separate part of the building as smokers isn't going to kill you. Second-hand smoke is only dangerous if you are around it as much as people who actually smoke.

Unless you're one of the unlucky ones who has a much higher potential for cancer, then even an hour or so each week can cause the disease. Really, why not just eradicate it slowly but surely? Better to get rid of a killing machine than allow smoker's their tenuous rights.

[Pierre the Great]

Smoking just doesn't effect the person who's smoking it effects everyone with in a 100m radius.

To equate smoking and drinking saying bars can allow drinking is different.

I go to a bar I see people drinking. There drinking does not affect me in the room unless they want to start a bar fight or something. Yes if they get behind a car then they could become dangerous but thats not the point. The point here is does drinking in bar cause other people around in the restaurant sick? No. Smoking does.

Just ask the countless of bar tenders I know who live in the suburb I live in where they passed an anti smoking law if the no smoking in restuarants is a bad or good thing. They love it.

This whole 'come on its just smoke' is outdated thinking. 30 years ago people where up in arms about smoking in grocery stores. cigarrette butts laying in the aisles and so forth. Now people forget that, that used to be common place.

Banning Smoking in public is a public health and safety requirement in my opinion. Cops can pull you over for not wearing a seat belt. Some people think thats crazy that they can do that, I don't, thats public safety.

Drinking and driving. We have laws that say you can't drink and drive. Why because its dangerous and can be deadly and its not safe.

We have gun laws so guns don't land into the hands of criminals or mentally unstable people.

We should we then not have anti smoking laws? It just doesn't make any sense.

I mean it would be like the government saying STD's and HIV is not a problem and have unprotected sex all you want we don't care. Share needles and so forth. Doesn't that sound crazy to you?

Or saying Climate Change isn't a problem and that when your kids develope breathing ailments and are constantly sick because they go outside to play with there nieghbours and the government refuses to do nothing. Doesn't that sound crazy to you?

Why is the government like this? Because they don't care about you the citzen they only care about Corporations. We are run by corporations.

For example 40 million people in this country do not have health insurance. 45 million people in this country can't go an entire year on health insurance because they can't pay for it.

THAT'S almost 100 MILLION PEOPLE!!! This country has 300 million people! ALMOST HALF OF THE COUNTRY HAS LITTLE OR NO HEALTH INSURANCE!!!

Now do you see that as a problem or just a oh not my problem?

Why do we not have some form of universal health care? I'm talking two tier? Because corporations do not want it. What the corporations want the corporations get.

My family is barely getting by in life and my mom is a teacher makes 70k a year before taxes 20k of it goes to health insurance for the family.

father makes 90k throwing papers and doing church work. He doesn't have an insurance plan so if mother was to loose her job we are sol.

I make 20k throwing papers, no health insurance plan no nothing. The job sucks, yeah it pays well but its horrible working middle of the nights not knowing what is out there almost hit a deer this morning, saw a guy break into a house before was threatend once by a drunk.

Family is going bankrupt. Don't think they can pay for my university bills next year hence the Canadian plan. I'm not going to Canada because of politics but because Canada is the new America to thousands of Americans and we are the mexican immigrants.

For example its cheaper to go to UBC as an international student then it is to go to MY OWN IN STATE UNIVERSITY!! What the hell, I say. Thats pathetic.

Its cheaper to go to school in Canada then it is for me to go to an in state public university here. Embarrassing.

So if we aren't able to afford the seattle school my parents are going to ship me off to BC just like millions of mexicans come to America. Why?

Well I can't answer that but I think its pretty clear why, because we can afford to.

Never would you have thought its cheaper immigrating to another country then going to school at an in state insitution.

[Pierre the Great]

yikes! my comments are getting longer and longer and that was all on quick reply lol so much for being quick.

[Mont Royale]

Next week, I predict Doug Craig will be re-elected mayor of Cambridge, and Herb Epp mayor of Waterloo. I know this is a controversial stand, so I'll eagerly await the outcry.

I know this is common knowledge by now, but... wow - what an upset! Herb Epp is dethroned in Waterloo! The shock waves from this will be felt for a long time, my friends, a long time...

[dark_faerie87]

For example its cheaper to go to UBC as an international student then it is to go to MY OWN IN STATE UNIVERSITY!! What the hell, I say. Thats pathetic.

Its cheaper to go to school in Canada then it is for me to go to an in state public university here. Embarrassing.

So if we aren't able to afford the seattle school my parents are going to ship me off to BC just like millions of mexicans come to America. Why?

Well I can't answer that but I think its pretty clear why, because we can afford to.

Never would you have thought its cheaper immigrating to another country then going to school at an in state insitution.

If you want even cheaper than UBC, I highly recommend Malaspina University-College. Tuition is about half the price and the quality of education is just as good, if not better, considering that there's small class sizes (I believe the limit is 30 students) which allow for one-on-one interaction with the profs. Also, the student body is incredibly left-ist, so you would probably love that. Also, the cost of living in Nanaimo is waaaay cheaper than Vancouver, yet Vancouver is only a short ferry ride away. Anyways, seriously consider it.

[Pierre the Great]

I'll look into it.