Habs Salary Cap Info and FAQ's

[GHT120]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

The new team gets the full cap hit as long as traded before the season starts. 

 

If after the season starts it gets pro-rated by days in the season. 

 

Thanks ... seems like something HuGo should explore next July

[GHT120]

24-25 Habs Salary Cap.xlsxSTICKING MY CHIN OUT ... please be gentle if I've made mistakes

'Tis the time to look at the 2024-25 Habs salary cap.

Attached is an Excel spreadsheet based on data from PuckPedia.

It shows Habs with 29 players (including Price) and $5,616,251 over the cap.

 

Using players who are waiver-exempt (and keeping Pezzetta and ABB on the roster), demoting Roy, Xjekaj, Mailloux, Engström, Kapanen, Heineman to set the roster to start the season would leave the Habs with 23 roster players and $112,916 under the cap ceiling.

 

Once the roster is set, the Habs can put Price on LTIR ... putting Laine and RHP on IR will then leave the Habs with 20 roster players ... so the Habs can re-call up to 3 of the "demoted" players.

 

Xhekaj seems obvious, to fill out the defence corps ... I expect Roy and Kapenen will also get called up, giving the Habs 14 forwards ... Mailloux, Engström and Heineman will be getting big AHL minutes to start the season.

 

The Habs end up with 23 roster players and $7,552,916 in cap space for Hughes to work with ... any trades/waiver-claims obviously would need to send out the same number of NHL roster contracts as are obtained (or also waive and/or demote the number needed to meet roster rules).

 

With trepidation I now click SUBMIT REPLY

 

 

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(1) Just realized that they may not be able to "paper" Kapanen to Laval ... May have to be Struble or Hutson instead ... Slaf is eligible, but doubt they do that ... Thanks for the explanation (below) Brian

 

(2) Updated the spreadsheet to reflect the CapFriendly "overages" Brian provided.
 

 

 

 

 

[dlbalr]

You definitely have the right idea of what they want to do.  However, Xhekaj can only be buried up to $1.15 million; the other $150,000 stays on there which puts them back over slightly.  (I think the overage penalty is a bit higher than PuckPedia's number as well.)  Using your calculator, flipping Roy for Struble works if the PuckPedia overage number is right, it doesn't work if the CapFriendly number (which I use on the site) is correct.  If the latter is correct, Struble and Roy would both have to go down with a cheaper player (Gignac, Condotta, or a waiver claim making $805K or less) being added to get them as tight to $88M as possible.

 

Kapanen only has to be papered, not necessarily papered to Laval.  They can paper him to the SHL to get around that.

 

Nice work overall and I like the Excel spreadsheet which makes it a lot easier to play around with the numbers.

[GHT120]

20 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

You definitely have the right idea of what they want to do.  However, Xhekaj can only be buried up to $1.15 million; the other $150,000 stays on there which puts them back over slightly.  (I think the overage penalty is a bit higher than PuckPedia's number as well.)  Using your calculator, flipping Roy for Struble works if the PuckPedia overage number is right, it doesn't work if the CapFriendly number (which I use on the site) is correct.  If the latter is correct, Struble and Roy would both have to go down with a cheaper player (Gignac, Condotta, or a waiver claim making $805K or less) being added to get them as tight to $88M as possible.

 

Kapanen only has to be papered, not necessarily papered to Laval.  They can paper him to the SHL to get around that.

 

Nice work overall and I like the Excel spreadsheet which makes it a lot easier to play around with the numbers.

Thanks ... Did you download the CapFriendly data before it shuttered?

[dlbalr]

14 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Thanks ... Did you download the CapFriendly data before it shuttered?

 

No, but I wrote about it when their number came out in April so I'm staying with it for consistency: https://www.habsworld.net/2024/04/breaking-down-montreals-2023-24-bonus-overage-penalty/.

[JoeLassister]

What do you guys think of capwages.com ?

 

It almost looks like a straight up copy of CapFriendly.

[GHT120]

16 minutes ago, JoeLassister said:

What do you guys think of capwages.com ?

 

It almost looks like a straight up copy of CapFriendly.

Interesting ... like the inclusion of the draft picks

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, JoeLassister said:

What do you guys think of capwages.com ?

 

It almost looks like a straight up copy of CapFriendly.

 

The numbers didnt appear accurate last time i looked.

[dlbalr]

4 hours ago, JoeLassister said:

What do you guys think of capwages.com ?

 

It almost looks like a straight up copy of CapFriendly.

 

It was designed to mimic the CF layout as much as possible.  As Commandant noted, their numbers aren't the most accurate.  PuckPedia isn't the most user-friendly but I'd trust the numbers on there a lot more.

[JoeLassister]

3 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

It was designed to mimic the CF layout as much as possible.  As Commandant noted, their numbers aren't the most accurate.  PuckPedia isn't the most user-friendly but I'd trust the numbers on there a lot more.

cool   Glad we went with PuckPedia in my salary cap fantasy pool this season.

[Commandant]

5 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

It was designed to mimic the CF layout as much as possible.  As Commandant noted, their numbers aren't the most accurate.  PuckPedia isn't the most user-friendly but I'd trust the numbers on there a lot more.

 

Yeah it looks pretty and all, but if the numbers aren't reliable it's useless. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

 

[GHT120]

Interesting that they choose to go off-season LTIR ... which is what my earlier post assumed they would want to avoid.

[Commandant]

2 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Interesting that they choose to go off-season LTIR ... which is what my earlier post assumed they would want to avoid.

 

My understanding of the puck pedia post is that they didnt.  They papered struble and Xhekaj down to avoid it, then put harvey-pinard on LTIR to call them back up.  And have price they can put on LTIR if they need more callups

[Prime Minister Koivu]

 

[GHT120]

59 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

 

That sounds like RHP was on LTIR to get under the cap by 5:00 pm yesterday ... which makes sense ... the original PuckPedia Tweet said the Habs were "$992K over cap with 21 (14F/5D/2G)" before they referenced the Habs ending up $108K under the cap ceiling ... RHP's $1.1M cap hit going on "off-season" LTIR as part of the 5:00 pm Monday roster would explain that. 

[dlbalr]

27 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

That sounds like RHP was on LTIR to get under the cap by 5:00 pm yesterday ... which makes sense ... the original PuckPedia Tweet said the Habs were "$992K over cap with 21 (14F/5D/2G)" before they referenced the Habs ending up $108K under the cap ceiling ... RHP's $1.1M cap hit going on "off-season" LTIR as part of the 5:00 pm Monday roster would explain that. 

 

They wound up amending that to $83K under the ceiling (that $25K difference being the bonus discrepancy I noted the other day; PuckPedia's number is now the one CapFriendly had).  Yes, my understanding is that they went with offseason LTI as well.

[Commandant]

55 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

They wound up amending that to $83K under the ceiling (that $25K difference being the bonus discrepancy I noted the other day; PuckPedia's number is now the one CapFriendly had).  Yes, my understanding is that they went with offseason LTI as well.

 

Wait, so they were 83K under the cap and didn't need off-season LTIR? or they were over the cap and needed it?

[dlbalr]

40 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Wait, so they were 83K under the cap and didn't need off-season LTIR? or they were over the cap and needed it?

 

They were over the cap and chose to go with offseason LTIR.  That made the target $89.1M for the 'perfect placement' and they came up $83K shy of that.  That's my read of it.

[Commandant]

3 hours ago, dlbalr said:

 

They were over the cap and chose to go with offseason LTIR.  That made the target $89.1M for the 'perfect placement' and they came up $83K shy of that.  That's my read of it.

 

Why not just paper Heineman or Kapanen down to make it.  They were at 21, could go to 20.

[GHT120]

9 hours ago, Commandant said:

Why not just paper Heineman or Kapanen down to make it.  They were at 21, could go to 20.

Apparently RHP's $1.1M got them barely under the cap ... keeping him on the season opening roster would have required demoting a couple more players (Kapanen, Heineman, Guhle, Hutson and Slaf are also waiver-exempt) ... I can only assume that they just didn't want to do that for some reason ... it all could have been sorted when Laine went on in-season LTIR when the roster for tonight's game was set

[Habs]

Does anyone have an accurate site for seeing how much cap space we actually have.  I like to hear about all the big moves Montreal is going to make. I’m sure Kent Hughes is trying not to have performance bonuses carry over in the future anymore.   But I feel we don’t have that much room unless we trade Price s contract.  

[DON]

2 minutes ago, Habs said:

Does anyone have an accurate site for seeing how much cap space we actually have.  I like to hear about all the big moves Montreal is going to make. I’m sure Kent Hughes is trying not to have performance bonuses carry over in the future anymore.   But I feel we don’t have that much room unless we trade Price s contract.  

https://www.habsworld.net/2007/08/montreal-canadiens-salary-information/

 

Puckpedia likely as well.

 

dlbalr would know best.

[dlbalr]

10 minutes ago, Habs said:

Does anyone have an accurate site for seeing how much cap space we actually have.  I like to hear about all the big moves Montreal is going to make. I’m sure Kent Hughes is trying not to have performance bonuses carry over in the future anymore.   But I feel we don’t have that much room unless we trade Price s contract.  

 

You're correct in that the amount is fairly limited.  PuckPedia has it around $6.1 million with Mailloux, Roy, and Beck on the roster so realistically, that could be closer to $8-$9 million or so.  With that, they need to re-sign Heineman, Dobes, and Struble.  

 

They are allowed to spend past that point using the Price LTIR money, knowing that they'll be staring down another bonus overage penalty for 2026-27 if they do so.  The question that Hughes will need to answer if Price isn't moved is are they better off spending that money next season or holding it to have a couple million or so more cap space in 2026-27?  

[Habs]

1 hour ago, dlbalr said:

 

You're correct in that the amount is fairly limited.  PuckPedia has it around $6.1 million with Mailloux, Roy, and Beck on the roster so realistically, that could be closer to $8-$9 million or so.  With that, they need to re-sign Heineman, Dobes, and Struble.  

 

They are allowed to spend past that point using the Price LTIR money, knowing that they'll be staring down another bonus overage penalty for 2026-27 if they do so.  The question that Hughes will need to answer if Price isn't moved is are they better off spending that money next season or holding it to have a couple million or so more cap space in 2026-27?  

 

1 hour ago, DON said:

https://www.habsworld.net/2007/08/montreal-canadiens-salary-information/

 

Puckpedia likely as well.

 

dlbalr would know best.

Thanks.  That’s where I was looking.  Did I miss the bonuses that were carried over?

 

 

So 8 or 9 million with 3 RFAs to sign probably turns in 4-5 million in cap space ?   
 

i feel like price s contract will come off the books soon into the off season. So that means maybe 15 million ish in space.   But we have to save up to 5 million in bonus room for this year.  So probably around 10 million for the offseason?