Markov Injury Re-Injury v2.01

[johnnyhasbeen]

Did you see him bash his hand into the boards when he was on the ice? He knew it was shot. I have bad knees and know the feeling, thanks to hockey... He left limping and holding the hand, been there too after driving my fist into the ice. The hand heeled before the knee....

My personal opinion is he came back too soon. I posted earlier I hoped he didn't come back early and I don't think he was 100%. Ifg that is the case, why bring him back when we were doing fine without him?

On to where this may leave us now that O'B is gone. We will be playing Picard and have to make a call up to ride the pines. Let's say Andre is out for 3-4 months. We must have saved 1/3 of his salary by the time he returns in cap space? Any chance of making a deal of a young forward and/or draft picks for a d-man such as Regehr, Robidas, Beauchemin or Wideman from a non=playoff team?

We should be able to get someone.

I hope he is ok and it isn't as bad as it looked...

[dlbalr]

Under no circumstances does a players' salary come off the books with the exceptions of AHL demotion, trade, or retirement. The Habs will have some space...eventually if he's out long-term. But there won't be LTIR savings for a while yet. (Better stop before I give away my whole discussion on LTIR in tonight's HW Recap.)

[johnnyhasbeen]

That is what I was afraid of. So we may have shopping power long term, but not until late season? Brian, I wish I had your head for this stuff. Seems to me it would make sense that if player A makes 6mill a year and misses half, a team's cap should be given that other 3mill to spend. I know it isn't like that though..... I await your cap breakdown.

Maybe room for a lesser d-man instead of a call up? This is gong to test our depth. that is for sure. Imagine another d=man down? Maybe we moved OB a week too soon?

[dlbalr]

The 'shopping power' will be there now, but the LTIR savings will be a way's away; and goes further away daily (could be days to weeks to never depending on whatever move(s) is/are made). On the flip side though, that's raw cap space which is really more ideal.

[BCHabnut]

If nothing has been released today, I would say it's bad. He must have too much swelling for a proper diagnosis

[dlbalr]

If nothing has been released today, I would say it's bad. He must have too much swelling for a proper diagnosis

To be fair, even minor injuries can have enough swelling to delay an MRI for a day or two. That said, I too expect some bad news when we know more...it's being reported that we may not know the final prognosis until mid-week.

[Habsy]

I'm a big Markov fan, as we all are, and would like to see him finish his career here. Let's say the injury is serious again, jumping to conclusions, I know. Can we expect a more cap friendly contract this summer? considering he's UFA and seemingly injury prone?

[dlbalr]

I'm a big Markov fan, as we all are, and would like to see him finish his career here. Let's say the injury is serious again, jumping to conclusions, I know. Can we expect a more cap friendly contract this summer? considering he's UFA and seemingly injury prone?

If he's out long enough, he could be eligible for an incentive contract which could be more cap friendly. Such a deal could only be for one year though.

[JoeLassister]

Good article Brian.

[Habsfan]

Still no news on Markov?? I'm worried. If' he's gone for another 3 months, that takes us to mid february, which would mean he would return with about 25 games remaining. Let's hope that Picard and/or Weber can do the job adequately!?!?!

[Seb]

Good article Brian.

+1.

It really clarified how LTIR worked, at least for me. I had a general idea, but it wasn't exactly right. Now I know.

[dlbalr]

Still no news on Markov?? I'm worried. If' he's gone for another 3 months, that takes us to mid february, which would mean he would return with about 25 games remaining. Let's hope that Picard and/or Weber can do the job adequately!?!?!

There was speculation last night (I was reading it on the Twitterbug on the main page) that information on the extent of his injury wouldn't be available until mid week. I'd suspect that has to do with swelling that's preventing the battery of tests from being done.

+1.

It really clarified how LTIR worked, at least for me. I had a general idea, but it wasn't exactly right. Now I know.

I'm glad someone understands it - I spent about 90 minutes yesterday writing that section and another 30-40 editing it after sending it to a few people to see if it made any sense (it didn't for the most part). What appears there is also the chopped down version, the original was quite a bit longer.

[dlbalr]

Habs announce they will not be recalling anyone prior to tomorrow's game vs Philly. Good move, no need to do so since Picard can step in.

[JCPetit]

Habs announce they will not be recalling anyone prior to tomorrow's game vs Philly. Good move, no need to do so since Picard can step in.

When you think about it, it makes sense. The longer you wait, the more you save on the cap space (even though a guy like Weber would not cost much on a daily basis). Anyhow, here is my take on the situation:

Weber will be recalled as soon as we have a clear understanding of Markov's situation. Whatever the prognosis, Martin will let the team unchanged for a few games, to see what happens with the power play. If we struggle without Markov, Weber will be inserted as a forward and Pyatt will go the press box. In other words, they will try to repeat what's been done before with Streit and MAB. Use Weber on the 4th line and the PP. Being a defenseman, he might have a try on the PK (as a 3rd defenseman).

Let's see if my crystal ball is any good...

Edited November 15, 2010 by JCPetit

[saskhab]

When you think about it, it makes sense. The longer you wait, the more you save on the cap space (even though a guy like Weber would not cost much on a daily basis). Anyhow, here is my take on the situation:

Weber will be recalled as soon as we have a clear understanding of Markov's situation. Whatever the prognosis, Martin will let the team unchanged for a few games, to see what happens with the power play. If we struggle without Markov, Weber will be inserted as a forward and Pyatt will go the press box. In other words, they will try to repeat what's been done before with Streit and MAB. Use Weber on the 4th line and the PP. Being a defenseman, he might have a try on the PK (as a 3rd defenseman).

Let's see if my crystal ball is any good...

But why do that with Weber? What benefit does that to do to him? Why not call up MAB and tell him "same deal as last year, and here's $600k." I want Weber to make it as a d-man. If they need a PP specialist to do double duty as 12th forward/7th dman, sign Bergeron.

[CoRvInA]

But why do that with Weber? What benefit does that to do to him? Why not call up MAB and tell him "same deal as last year, and here's $600k." I want Weber to make it as a d-man. If they need a PP specialist to do double duty as 12th forward/7th dman, sign Bergeron.

signing MAB is like making out with the fat chick. You only want her when your desperate, cause you would not want to date her on a regular basis. ANd that's Wrong!

LOL

[CoRvInA]

I wanna add, that I believe Staal's (or however you write his name) knee on knee hit was an accident, but a CARELESS ONE!

I would want the league to see that one again. Remember Laraque getting 2 games for his knee on knee?

The canes were down by 3 goals. Frustration and spite go hand in hand with carelessness! He should be held responsible!

[saskhab]

I wanna add, that I believe Staal's (or however you write his name) knee on knee hit was an accident, but a CARELESS ONE!

I would want the league to see that one again. Remember Laraque getting 2 games for his knee on knee?

The canes were down by 3 goals. Frustration and spite go hand in hand with carelessness! He should be held responsible!

If Marc Savard had done that, he'd be kicked out of the NHL. If Gregory Campbell had done that, Markov would be suspended for 5 games upon his return.

[lazy26]

I wanna add, that I believe Staal's (or however you write his name) knee on knee hit was an accident, but a CARELESS ONE!

I would want the league to see that one again. Remember Laraque getting 2 games for his knee on knee?

The canes were down by 3 goals. Frustration and spite go hand in hand with carelessness! He should be held responsible!

Laraque definitely stuck his knee out to warrant suspension. I really don't see this incident as anything more than an unfortunate accident.

[dlbalr]

If Marc Savard had done that, he'd be kicked out of the NHL. If Gregory Campbell had done that, Markov would be suspended for 5 games upon his return.

Is it just me or is the site that published those e-mails down right now? I wanted to see the whole thing, not just the blurbs posted on TSN.

Back on topic, QMI Agency is reporting that they've heard the injury could be 8-12 months. Wonder what their source is on this considering no tests have been done? If you're going to make up info about how long the injury will be, at least be creative and invent a source. I'll give full credit to the first site who claims a source as crazy as Markov's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate. (And no, I'm not creative enough to make that up myself...) Now that would be interesting...and just as truthful as the other more reputable sites who jump to unfounded conclusions here!

http://fr.canoe.ca/sports/nouvelles/hockey...115-112704.html

[Seb]

Is it just me or is the site that published those e-mails down right now? I wanted to see the whole thing, not just the blurbs posted on TSN.

Back on topic, QMI Agency is reporting that they've heard the injury could be 8-12 months. Wonder what their source is on this considering no tests have been done? If you're going to make up info about how long the injury will be, at least be creative and invent a source. I'll give full credit to the first site who claims a source as crazy as Markov's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate. (And no, I'm not creative enough to make that up myself...) Now that would be interesting...and just as truthful as the other more reputable sites who jump to unfounded conclusions here!

http://fr.canoe.ca/sports/nouvelles/hockey...115-112704.html

I love the "anononymous source" that gets thrown around. It's a rumour, and it's BS.

Here's my worst to best case for Markov (not necessarily in expected time missed):

-Blew his ACL (not the same ligament as before, if it is, switch this with the one below)

-torn MCL

-Sprain

... In my mind, the list was much longer, but that's all I can come up with. I would say broken knee cap, but I've broken mine, and it really doesnt look like that's what happened.

[brian, I just read it, so that site is up as of about 6 minutes ago.]

www.mc79hockey.com to save you some time.

[ForumGhost]

Hope it's not that long... If Markov misses the season or more, I wonder what the Habs stance will be in resigning him? Obviously he would have to take a pay cut, but I'm wondering if they would even make an offer? In any case, putting him on the LTIR might open up some options for us.

[dlbalr]

[brian, I just read it, so that site is up as of about 6 minutes ago.]

www.mc79hockey.com to save you some time.

Guess I'm not allowed to read that site then...I keep getting one of those wonderful 403 Forbidden errors. Yay for me.

[BCHabnut]

Hope it's not that long... If Markov misses the season or more, I wonder what the Habs stance will be in resigning him? Obviously he would have to take a pay cut, but I'm wondering if they would even make an offer? In any case, putting him on the LTIR might open up some options for us.

They would probably do a one year, low salary, incentive heavy deal and extend before it expired

[dlbalr]

They would probably do a one year, low salary, incentive heavy deal and extend before it expired

For the record, he'll need to be on IR for a total of 100 days this year for him to qualify for such a one year deal. Obviously, if he's out for the year he will, but if he's not (which we all hope for), he would need to miss 77 days (he missed the first 23 of the season).