Commandant Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Barch is saying that his comment was not racially motivated. Apparently his comment was "Did you just slip on a banana peel?" I don't buy it. After the Wayne Simmonds incident, and the huge press uproar it created, how could Barch possibly not know that using a comment related to a banana and PK Subban wouldn't be seen as racist? What a joke that the league bought his explanation and made the suspension short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Hmm not sure what to say. I am sure PK is over it so I guess I am too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Barch is saying that his comment was not racially motivated. Apparently his comment was "Did you just slip on a banana peel?" I don't buy it. After the Wayne Simmonds incident, and the huge press uproar it created, how could Barch possibly not know that using a comment related to a banana and PK Subban wouldn't be seen as racist? What a joke that the league bought his explanation and made the suspension short. Is that what was actually said? i haven't heard anyone actually mention then words? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Ya, not much of a story. Kinda silly it was even looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Is that what was actually said? i haven't heard anyone actually mention then words? Was on puck daddy, and many people on twitter reporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I joke about slipping on a banana peel sometimes. think it's funny. Subban has a rep for diving and he does fall a lot. I believe him. I could see myself saying this to one of my black friends and not thinking about race. I believe him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Yeah and I don't think PK was offended by that either :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Maybe he is a Darwinist and just compares all of mankind to monkeys/chimps/apes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Remember when MaxPac had to apologize for a tweet about the length of Marchand's nose? This Barch thing could go either way. 1 game covers the base without being over the top about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I don't think it was just "Did you just slip on a banana peel?" That seems way too minor to warrant anything. A slew foot is $2,500 fine without anything else and "Did you just slip on a banana peel?" is a game? Me thinks there was more said, but I don't see how any on-ice slur can be punished off-ice. What happened to keeping what happens on the ice, on the ice? Looking like the NHL is trying to turn into a gentlemen's league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I don't think it was just "Did you just slip on a banana peel?" That seems way too minor to warrant anything. A slew foot is $2,500 fine without anything else and "Did you just slip on a banana peel?" is a game? Me thinks there was more said, but I don't see how any on-ice slur can be punished off-ice. What happened to keeping what happens on the ice, on the ice? Looking like the NHL is trying to turn into a gentlemen's league. Though this isn't racist I think if someone actually did say something racist or something of that nature they should miss time or get fined or both. Makes sense to me. Though if it was just that banana line thats pretty lame :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 I just think after Simmonds he knew exactly what he was saying with the banana line, specifically targetted at Subban to get a reaction. The typical hockey line is tripping over the blueline, or tripping over the redline... not a banana peel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I just think after Simmonds he knew exactly what he was saying with the banana line, specifically targetted at Subban to get a reaction. The typical hockey line is tripping over the blueline, or tripping over the redline... not a banana peel Maybe he also added monkey to the end of that sentence.... who knows? well Suban does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Maybe he also added monkey to the end of that sentence.... who knows? well Suban does Subban says he never heard it. The linesman heard it, gave the game misconduct and reported it to the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 If that was the comment, condemning it as racist is probably more racist than the comment itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 If that was the comment, condemning it as racist is probably more racist than the comment itself. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The context came out on cbc.. Barch had quit on a fight with Boogard and Boogard asked him if he slipped on a banana peel. Barch used the line on Stortini before, because he thought it was funny. No way should this have been a suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The context came out on cbc.. Barch had quit on a fight with Boogard and Boogard asked him if he slipped on a banana peel. Barch used the line on Stortini before, because he thought it was funny. No way should this have been a suspension. League looks pretty dumb now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 League looks pretty dumb now They had to give him a game. After the banana throwing incident with Wayne Simmonds, anything that could even be perceived as racist is going to get punished. That's why the NHL released a statement basically saying, "We don't think what he said was racist, but he's getting a game because the comment could have been perceived as racist." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 They had to give him a game. After the banana throwing incident with Wayne Simmonds, anything that could even be perceived as racist is going to get punished. That's why the NHL released a statement basically saying, "We don't think what he said was racist, but he's getting a game because the comment could have been perceived as racist." I wasn't aware of that, okay. Still not a fan of the crying wolf routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Context. There are a lot of things I can say that are not racist in one context, but are racist in another depending solely on who I am saying them to and about. Given that it was directed at Subban, and given the Simmonds incident. Its different than saying it to Stortini. The monkey implication is just something the NHL cannot tolerate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Or it was the opposite of racial, and Barch just looks at Subban as another guy and that's why he thought nothing of saying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 How the people who hear the comment percieve it, is often as important as the intention of the person saying it. If Barch doesn't understand the sensitivity around the use of the banana, thats kind of his own fault, I mean the Simmonds thing had to come to his attention. Pleading ignorance and not understanding that the comment can be taken the wrong way isn't a defence here, he knows whats gone on previously. If someone is offended by the implications of a banana and being a black person, do you think they shouldn't have a right to feel that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Nothing like this PC world where every time you open your mouth you could be called a racist. Seriously, if you parse anyone's language enough, you can find a way to call them a racist. I'm sure I could go through virtually every comment on this board and, with enough research into other cultures etc, I could find every one of them racist. I agree with removing the overt racial comments, but come on. At what point does it become better to clip out your tongue and become a mute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Nothing like this PC world where every time you open your mouth you could be called a racist. Seriously, if you parse anyone's language enough, you can find a way to call them a racist. I'm sure I could go through virtually every comment on this board and, with enough research into other cultures etc, I could find every one of them racist. I agree with removing the overt racial comments, but come on. At what point does it become better to clip out your tongue and become a mute. Again, yes with research into other cultures, a remark might be racist. but thats the thing.... CONTEXT is key. Who you are talking to is key. If Barch says this about Travis Moen, its not racist... but he didn't... he directed it at Subban. This is no different than what every single person in the world faces every single day... there are things you can say on the job to one co-worker; that you couldn't possibly say to a different co-worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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