Willey101 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I would be very shocked to see Samuelsson as a third round pick. Gaunce I've seen a lot of and I have a feeling he'll be a better NHL player than people are projecting him. Felt the same about Skinner and Henrique (Commandant can vouch if he remembers). Gaunce is a kid I have liked from what I have heard (not seen). Looks like he'll go mid 1st round however so that is just not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Gaunce is a kid I have liked from what I have heard (not seen). Looks like he'll go mid 1st round however so that is just not going to happen. Timmins aint scared to trade up or down on draft day, so i wouldnt rule out any prospect, he may see Gaunce as undervaled and if still available at 20 he may try and swing a deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Timmins aint scared to trade up or down on draft day, so i wouldnt rule out any prospect, he may see Gaunce as undervaled and if still available at 20 he may try and swing a deal? I think another team will end up acquiring him and enjoying his services. If we had a better season point wise I think he would have been the target. That said, if Timmins feels the 33rd and 51st picks would be better used for one pick between 15-25 I think we could see a two seconds for a first swap. It would take an excellent player though since we could really beef up our prospect pool for the future in this draft. We have 3rd Overall, 33rd Overall, 51st Overall, 64th Overall, 94th Overall and 154th Overall. Unless we trade for a few more high picks (Weber would be good for this) we probably can't afford to convert our seconds into one pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I think another team will end up acquiring him and enjoying his services. If we had a better season point wise I think he would have been the target. That said, if Timmins feels the 33rd and 51st picks would be better used for one pick between 15-25 I think we could see a two seconds for a first swap. It would take an excellent player though since we could really beef up our prospect pool for the future in this draft. We have 3rd Overall, 33rd Overall, 51st Overall, 64th Overall, 94th Overall and 154th Overall. Unless we trade for a few more high picks (Weber would be good for this) we probably can't afford to convert our seconds into one pick. NJ Devils wiil for sure forgo their 1st pick as it will be either 29th or 30th and if need to give up one 1st round pick (for Kovalchuk contract penalty) 29th or 30th would be it. Therefore Habs will be picking 32nd-50th-etc. Not likely a big diff; but, 32nd instead of 33rd is bit of a bonus for sure. Eeven if Samuelsson is gone, should be a very similar type/skilled player to be available at 32nd and only a bit worse at 50th/63rd, so should be a sweet haul for 1st time sine 2007, whether trade up, down or not at all.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 Problem is that Samuelsson isn't even ranked as 2nd rounder anymore. His stock dropped considerably this year and he finished his season ranked 75th among NA skaters. Didn't realize Gaunce jumped that high to being a top 15 pick Your main problem is that you are using NHL CS rankings, which are bullshit. Use McKeen's; Hockeyprospect.com, ISS, and FutureConsiderations.ca An almagamation of those sites has proven to be far, far more accurate than NHL Central Scouting. I'm 100% positive that Samuelsson will NOT be a third round pick. I would be very shocked to see Samuelsson as a third round pick. Gaunce I've seen a lot of and I have a feeling he'll be a better NHL player than people are projecting him. Felt the same about Skinner and Henrique (Commandant can vouch if he remembers). Yeah you were right on both of those guys. NJ Devils wiil for sure forgo their 1st pick as it will be either 29th or 30th and if need to give up one 1st round pick (for Kovalchuk contract penalty) 29th or 30th would be it. Therefore Habs will be picking 32nd-50th-etc. Not likely a big diff; but, 32nd instead of 33rd is bit of a bonus for sure. Eeven if Samuelsson is gone, should be a very similar type/skilled player to be available at 32nd and only a bit worse at 50th/63rd, so should be a sweet haul for 1st time sine 2007, whether trade up, down or not at all.. 2010 looks amazing right now. Tinordi, Ellis, Gallagher all top prospects.... traded for Bournival and Holland, so that makes 5 guys out of that draft, then you have Macmillan developping well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Your main problem is that you are using NHL CS rankings, which are bullshit. Use McKeen's; Hockeyprospect.com, ISS, and FutureConsiderations.ca An almagamation of those sites has proven to be far, far more accurate than NHL Central Scouting. I'm 100% positive that Samuelsson will NOT be a third round pick. Yeah you were right on both of those guys. 2010 looks amazing right now. Tinordi, Ellis, Gallagher all top prospects.... traded for Bournival and Holland, so that makes 5 guys out of that draft, then you have Macmillan developping well. Yes, but i was considering McDonaugh/Pacioretty/Subban/Weber are all proven NHLers (Weber will be solid 3rd pairing/PP guy in a couple more years), and we are assuming Gallagher et all "should" do well; but still to be proven (is Gallagher a Cory Locke/Nigel Dawes type?, Is Beaulieu a David Fischer?, can Tinordi stay injury free (my biggest worry for tall players)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankhab Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Timmins aint scared to trade up or down on draft day, so i wouldnt rule out any prospect, he may see Gaunce as undervaled and if still available at 20 he may try and swing a deal? The only negative thing I have read on Gaunce is that his skating is not great, and scouts had wanted to see a bit more offence from him this year, thus some are projecting him as a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential, which is still not terrible, but not what you'd expect from your first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 The only negative thing I have read on Gaunce is that his skating is not great, and scouts had wanted to see a bit more offence from him this year, thus some are projecting him as a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential, which is still not terrible, but not what you'd expect from your first round pick. Wasn't the same said about Corey Perry. I remember many projecting he would not b much more than a 4th line player because of his horrific skating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Wasn't the same said about Corey Perry. I remember many projecting he would not b much more than a 4th line player because of his horrific skating. In most cases, it's all a bit of a crap shoot. Hell, even proven NHLers provoke uncertainty and massive errors in terms of assessment. Look at all the fans who were so sure that Marian Hossa and Ilya Kovalchuk are 'playoff busts' the Habs were better off without Anyway, we're best off not getting too wedded to our predictions about prospects. Even the most perspicuous of us, like Commandant, see through a glass darkly when it comes to this stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 In most cases, it's all a bit of a crap shoot. Hell, even proven NHLers provoke uncertainty and massive errors in terms of assessment. Look at all the fans who were so sure that Marian Hossa and Ilya Kovalchuk are 'playoff busts' the Habs were better off without Anyway, we're best off not getting too wedded to our predictions about prospects. Even the most perspicuous of us, like Commandant, see through a glass darkly when it comes to this stuff. I am just waiting for Mike Busto to break out as the steal of that Gomez trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 I am just waiting for Mike Busto to break out as the steal of that Gomez trade I think this would be a good place for MOLG to put in his theory about drafting based on whether or not the player has a "hockey name" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I think this would be a good place for MOLG to put in his theory about drafting based on whether or not the player has a "hockey name" It hardly ever fails me. I do it with music records as well. I still think Ryan Nugent-Hopkins needs to choose a last name and when he does, his scoring will increase by 30 points. Of course Paajarvi chose a last name and his numbers decreased but... it'll help in the long run! Yes... yes... yes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 Boo Nieves stud or bust, based on the MOLG system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Boo Nieves stud or bust, based on the MOLG system? Stud.. if he played football. Hockey though... no idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Boo Nieves stud or bust, based on the MOLG system? He is the only junior with a permanent nickname. Stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Based purely on their handles, I'd have expected Bruce Shoebottom, Roman Hamrlik and Grant Clitsome to be total flops. Shows what's in a name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 The most amazing exemple ever is F1 Racing and Nascar pilot Scott Speed. BOOOOOM !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I think this would be a good place for MOLG to put in his theory about drafting based on whether or not the player has a "hockey name" I love Dwight King playing for L.A. and Jared Knight a forward on the London Knights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I love Dwight King playing for L.A. and Jared Knight a forward on the London Knights Yet we never got to see Miroslav Satan on the New Jersey Devils Or Paul Martin on the Senators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 Trevor Carrick of Mississauga in the OHL http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/05/31/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-53-trevor-carrick/ Good Hockey player name on that one, He was originally 63 on the ranks but I bumped him for that reason (just kidding) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 To use this draft as an example (and see if I end up right), three names of players I think will be NHL stars: - Scott Kosmachuk - Dalton Thrower - Nail Yakupov Three names of players I bet will bust: - Zemgus Girgensons - Martin Frk - Jordan Schmaltz Basically if you can see their name used in a TSN.ca headline, they'll become a star. If their name is either ridiculous to pronounce, far too easy to use as an insult or just plain weird? I tend to write them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankhab Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Have you tried applying this same logic to the stock market? Perhaps you are on to something here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Alvin Backus has been added to the scouting staff, he'll be situated out West (primarily the BCHL). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Former NHL'er John Madden has joined the staff as an amateur scout. He'll be working the USHL/NCAA beat, focusing primarily on free agent/non-drafted players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Former NHL'er John Madden has joined the staff as an amateur scout. He'll be working the USHL/NCAA beat, focusing primarily on free agent/non-drafted players. Does he have any kids in the USHL/NCAA? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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